Israel: Helping To Make A Better World

Israel: Helping To Make A Better World​

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The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia

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12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
A 12 Year old Boy Shot Dead in front of YOUR Eyes

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service

IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
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Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
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watchingfromafar said:

Israel: Helping To Make A Better World​

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The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia

Google “Israelis killing children”
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Jun 1, 2017 - Israel has killed more than 3,000 children since 28 September 2000 when the Second Intifada began until the end of April 2017, a new report ...
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

These are the Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2016 | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/.../these-are-palestinian-children-killed-israel-2016

Jan 27, 2017 - Thirty-five Palestinian children were killed by Israeli soldiers, police and armed civilians during the year, all but four of the deadly incidents ...
Invisible killings: Israel's daily toll of Palestinian children | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/content/invisible-killings-israels-daily-toll...children/4263

Convincing the Israeli adults in control of this weaponry in civilian areas that they should not be using it to kill children who are merely stone throwers

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months | News | Al Jazeera
www.aljazeera.com/.../israel-killed-25-palestinian-children-months-16051414083314...

May 14, 2016 - Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was ...
One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years ...

One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years: statistics...
“The International Day for the Protection of Children is on June 1,” said a spokesman, “but Palestinian children are still subject to attacks by the Israelis and ...

Report: Israel killed 3,000 Palestinian children since 2000 – Middle ...
Report: Israel killed 3,000 Palestinian children since 2000...

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to the impact of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict .... Though Israeli children were killed in the conflict during the decades prior, the first acts of
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
A 12 Year old Boy Shot Dead in front of YOUR Eyes

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service

IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
palestine-net.com

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
Category: | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

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FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE​

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.
January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.
March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.
April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.
Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, has confirmed that the Israeli art students were, in fact, part of a major Israeli intelligence operation and that they were conducting surveillance of the activities of the 9-11 hijackers. They also worked with the Israeli Urban Moving System employees in New Jersey who were seen in at least two Jersey City locations -- Liberty State Park and The Doric apartment building -- celebrating the impact of the first plane into the World Trade Center.


The Israelis at Liberty State Park were dressed in Arab-style clothing when they were witnessed celebrating the first attack. The FBI later confiscated a videotape they filmed of the first attack.
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Google Irgun, Haganah and Stern gangs and you will get 144,000 hits

BTW: The Haganah gang later became the Israeli Defense Force (IDF)
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RE: Helping to Make A Better World
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BLUF: Yes, and if you Google for the: Palestinian Black Hand What do you get?

Watchingfromafar said:
Google Irgun, Haganah and Stern gangs and you will get 144,000 hits
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I'm not sure what this Google Search is suppose to prove relative to the topic: "Israel: Helping To Make A Better World"

The controversies are many. But even reducing the "Question of Palestine" to the most elementary scale of contemporary international politics or diplomacy - I don't see the how this links to the topic of the thread.

But I do find it suspiciously improbable that the standard model of Israeli contributions to humanity has anything to do with the civil strife of seven decades ago.

◈ Lehi (AKA) The Stern Gang disbanded in May 1948 → Incorporated into the Israeli Defense Force (IDF)​
◈ The Irgun disbanded in June 1948 → Incorporated into the Israeli Defense Force (IDF)​
◈ The Haganah transitioned into the IDF​

These three groups have not been seen in over 70 years. The IDF has contributed to dozens of Humanitarian Assistance, Aid, or Relief around the world continuously for the the span from creation to now. And they still are contribution to the world wherever they are needed.

  • 1953: Ionian Islands, Greece
  • 1975: Cambodia
  • 1985: Mexico City, Mexico
  • 1988: Gyumri, Armenia
  • 1989: Romania
  • 1992: Zagreb, Croatia
  • 1994: Buenos Aires, Argentina
  • 1994: Goma, Democratic Republic of the Congo
  • 1998: Nairobi, Kenya
  • 1999: Macedonia
  • 1999: İzmit, Turkey
  • 1999: Athens, Greece
  • 2001: Gujarat, India
  • 2004: Taba, Egypt
  • 2004: Colombo, Sri Lanka
  • 2005: New Orleans, United States of America
  • 2006: Nairobi, Kenya
  • 2010: Port-au-Prince, Haiti
  • 2010: Bogotá, Colombia
  • 2011: Minamisanriku, Japan
  • 2011: Erciş, Turkey
  • 2012: Burgas, Bulgaria
  • 2012: Accra, Ghana
  • 2013: Tacloban City, Philippines
  • 2015: Kathmandu, Nepa
  • 2016: Syrian Border, Golan Heights
  • 2017: Mexico City, Mexico
  • 2018: Golan Heights
  • 2019: Brumadinho, Brazil
  • 2019: Albania
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My question is, since you want to paint the IDF Black, What has the Palestinians done over that span of time?

The Israelis contribute back to the world in so many ways that go unsung. And they don't brag about what they have done, they merely report where they have been and why.

If you want to throw rocks, select a target that has demonstrated violence and a total disregard for human life. Go to the Global Terrorism Database (GTD) and do an inquiry on Palestinian Terrorist Groups for the same time period. Or ask, what has HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) or Fatah done lately? THEN pick your target.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Helping to Make A Better World
⁜→ Watchingfromafar, et al,

BLUF: Yes, this happened. The USS Liberty (GTR-5), is described as a Navy Technical Research Ship, a euphemism for a floating SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility). Hense the haul Number GTR-5 for General Technical Research. These, and others of its type ( ie USS Pueblo GER-2) operated under the taskings for the National Security Agency (NSA) working the SI-ELINT (Signals Intelligence - Electronic Intelligence) side of the house.

watchingfromafar said:
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia
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We probably will not know (in my lifetime) the true mission of the GTR-5 (USS Liberty). But even today, mistakes are periodically made. People act like the Liberty incident was unique. Well it wasn't. It happens periodically.

◈ (1960) An international diplomatic crisis erupted in May 1960 when the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) shot down an American U-2 spy plane in Soviet air space and captured its pilot, Francis Gary Powers (1929-77). Confronted with the evidence of his nation’s espionage,​
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◈ (1968). USS Pueblo (GER-2), a Navy intelligence vessel, is engaged in a routine surveillance of the North Korean coast when it is intercepted by North Korean patrol boats. According to U.S. reports, the Pueblo was in international waters almost 16 miles from shore, but the North Koreans turned their guns on the lightly armed vessel and demanded its surrender. The Americans attempted to escape, and the North Koreans opened fire, wounding the commander and two others. With capture inevitable, the Americans stalled for time, destroying the classified information aboard while taking further fire. Several more crew members were wounded.​
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◈ (1983). Soviet jet fighters intercept a Korean Airlines passenger flight in Russian airspace and shoot the plane down, killing 269 passengers and crew-members. The incident dramatically increased tensions between the Soviet Union and the United States.​
​
◈ (1988). USS Vincennes shot down Iran Air Flight 655, a civilian commercial flight, killing two hundred and ninety innocent people, among them sixty-six children. Just over 30 years ago. The Airbus A300 was shot down on July 3, 1988, on its way from Tehran to Dubai over the Straits of Hormuz, which connects the Persian Gulf with the Arabian Sea and the Gulf of Oman and is an important shipping lane for oil tankers. The area is within Iranian airspace.​
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◈ (2001). A collision between a U.S. Navy surveillance plane and a Chinese fighter jet over the South China Sea Sunday has created tension between the two countries. China has accused the EP-3 spy plane of ramming one of its fighter jets in mid-flight Sunday, causing it to crash. The pilot remains missing. Adm. Dennis Blair, commander of U.S. Pacific military forces, said one of the Chinese planes clipped the wing of the EP-3. But he said it was likely an accident because no one would be foolish enough to "play bumpercars in the air". The EP-3, with 24 crew aboard, made an emergency landing on China's Hainan Island without permission.​

It happens. It involves all the BIG Superpowers and across all services. No, the USS Liberty incident was not unique at all. Mishaps, accidents, and other calamitous events happen. And we should not get all excited by this one event. It is not like we are similar to the Arab Palestinians that hold celebrations for famous terrorists. Just this past week I was reading how Dalal Mughrabi who led the PLO terrorists responsible for the Coastal Road Massacre in 1978, in which 38 Israelis, 12 of them children, were murdered.

Posted text: “The occupation forces arrested rebel Muna Al-Kurd at her home in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood [of Jerusalem].​
May you live as a rebel defending our Jerusalem, like your role model Dalal Mughrabi.”​
[Official Fatah Facebook page, June 6, 2021]​

Using the USS Liberty as an example of Israeli skullduggery is simply being hostile and prejudicial against Jewish people.

Just My Thoughts for Two-Cents (you can owe me)
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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RoccoR said:
Using the USS Liberty as an example of Israeli skullduggery is simply being hostile and prejudicial against Jewish people.
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Oh wise one, I do not have anything against Jews, but I do detest, loath and find repugnant the Israelis who murder children, bomb buses and Palestinian homes. The Israelis are the scum of humanity, and the Lord will punish them for it.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

Jewish population by country - Wikipedia

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RE: Helping to Make A Better World
⁜→ Watchingfromafar, et al,

BLUF: If I left you with the impression that the Israelis had a mission and executed a deliberate attack with the specific intention of killing Americans, I'm sorry. That was not my intent.

watchingfromafar said:
RoccoR said:
BLUF: Yes, this happened.
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Thank you for acknowledging that yes, indeed, the Israelis deliberately murdered Americans

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Yes, the incident occurred. Why it occurred and the way in which the Israelis handled the post engagement could have been handled much better than it was. But, I think there was a danger in the eyes of the Israelis that the GTR-5 was an Egyptian False Flag operation. And we also know that once there was doubt as to the identity of the suspect vessel, the hostile fire ceased and the Israeli took up a station-keeping posture should life-saving measure immediate action be required in accordance with the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea.
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I would have handled it much differently. But in the Israelis defense, the GTR-5 had a SIGINT/ELINT profile. And, not only was it in the Exclusion Zone, but it was danger close to Israelis entangled in Hostile Operations with Arab League Forces; four days into the 1967 June Six-Day War. Evidently, the ship was in close enough proximity to trigger an armed response from forces already engaged with hostiles. The Israelis expected to engage OPFOR (blue on red - not blue on something other than red) and did not stop to take notice of the identity.

Now → I know that many of the survivors look at it as a cold-blooded action on the part of the Israelis. But, I've been in Operation Centers during combat operation and I understand focus and intensity, and sometimes chaos, as FEBA moves forward. I know that terms like "murderous bastards" - "traitor" - "war crimes" and such were bandied around. The Israelis knew that the US Sixth Fleet was not far away. The Israelis knew that if this was really a US Signals Intelligence Ship, that Americans would engage any boarding party that might approach to protect the Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) form foreign disclosure - and the Six Fleet Flag Ship (USS Saratoga, an Aircraft Carrier CV-60) would have dispatched a rescue force to protect and recover the GTR-5 in answer to its distress signal. That further confused the Israelis. The Israelis were expecting to see fighter cover coming over the radar horizon, followed by support ships and helo's coming at full speed. But their surprise they did not see Israel Naval Force did not see and such response.

Was there actually a squadron launched? And if so, who gave the order for the recall?

Yes, there are all kinds of conspiracy theories. (My favorite conspiracy theory is: The President personally gave the order to Israel to bomb and utterly destroy the USS Liberty and its entire crew of 294 Americans.) But I have yet seen the entire timeline of the action and who made what call to who and when. I (personally) would have expected to hear CINCUSNAVEUR (Admiral McCain) to have released a joint accounting of the event. Even now, a half-century later, the complete story is not been told. And that suggests that there are still valid concerns that could affect foreign relations and national security (back in a time when that use to mean something).

You can believe what you want, but absent any new and detailed information - I think I will reserve judgment. I fail to see or understand any motive for the Israelis to purposely attack the Americans. What advantage would they gain?
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Again, just my uneducated thoughts...
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R
 
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