Israel has the Capability to be More Selective

[nodoginnafight]

"Battle lines are being drawn .... and nobody's right if everybody's wrong."
- Stephen Stills

The actions and tactics of the Arab terrorists who are hellbent on the destruction of Israel are indefensible.

But Israel is not without blame. They have the intelligence and military capability to be much more selective in their retaliations.

Mossad, Kidon, AMAN, Shin Bet have a long list of impressive successes in which targets were effectively (and surgically) removed. They have had someone set backs (such as the Lillehammer Affair), but they have saved many lives as well. (Some links will follow).

Israel can't claim that indiscriminate killing is the only way. We've seen much better out of the Israelis many, many times.

The Arabs have been guilty of far worse. But two wrongs don't make a right.

In case some of you have been living under a rock for the last 50 years or so ... here are some links to support the capabilities of the Israelis to selectively target bad guys.

The Mossad method - The Week

Mossad's hidden successes against Iran so far | National Review Online

Operations conducted by the Mossad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Special: Mossad took photos, Entebbe Operation was on its way - Israel News, Ynetnews

Intelligence During the Six-Day War (1967) | Jewish Virtual Library

The Shin Bet?s success | JPost | Israel News

 

[Disir]

Again. I'd say that the phone calls, texts and leaflets were more than enough. Trying to find ways to castigate blame on Israel in this situation is not the answer.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Far fewer Palestinian civilians would die if the terrorists would stop hiding among them.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Far fewer Palestinian civilians would die if the terrorists would stop hiding among them.

I agree

And far fewer Arab civilians would die if Israel used the approach outlined in the links above. Israel can't control what the Arabs do - they CAN control what THEY do.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Again. I'd say that the phone calls, texts and leaflets were more than enough. Trying to find ways to castigate blame on Israel in this situation is not the answer.

You don't have to work too hard to find ways that Israel has contributed to the escalation of violence.

You also don't have to look too hard to find the source.

 

[Disir]

Again. I'd say that the phone calls, texts and leaflets were more than enough. Trying to find ways to castigate blame on Israel in this situation is not the answer.

You don't have to work too hard to find ways that Israel has contributed to the escalation of violence.

You also don't have to look too hard to find the source.

Yes, I can see how the unilateral humanitarian ceasefires have added to the aggression. They received warning.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Far fewer Palestinian civilians would die if the terrorists would stop hiding among them.

I agree
And far fewer Arab civilians would die if Israel used the approach outlined in the links above. Israel can't control what the Arabs do - they CAN control what THEY do.

Moreover, far fewer Palestinian civilians would die of the terrorists stopped attacking Israel.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Again. I'd say that the phone calls, texts and leaflets were more than enough. Trying to find ways to castigate blame on Israel in this situation is not the answer.

You don't have to work too hard to find ways that Israel has contributed to the escalation of violence.

You also don't have to look too hard to find the source.

Yes, I can see how the unilateral humanitarian ceasefires have added to the aggression. They received warning.

And what good did the warning do? Where could they go to get out of harms way?

Warning someone that you are going to kill them is not amazingly generous.

Killing the RIGHT PEOPLE is better.

I'm not crying over it - the Arabs have done worse.
But two wrongs don't make a right.

Israel doesn't get much credit internationally when they take the high road. There are folks who are going to criticize and hate them no matter what they do.

But Israel shouldn't use that as an excuse to stop trying.

 

[Peach]

Again. I'd say that the phone calls, texts and leaflets were more than enough. Trying to find ways to castigate blame on Israel in this situation is not the answer.

You don't have to work too hard to find ways that Israel has contributed to the escalation of violence.

You also don't have to look too hard to find the source.

Yes, I can see how the unilateral humanitarian ceasefires have added to the aggression. They received warning.

Note "UNILATERAL". Israel ceases firing, Hamas continues.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You don't have to work too hard to find ways that Israel has contributed to the escalation of violence.

You also don't have to look too hard to find the source.

Yes, I can see how the unilateral humanitarian ceasefires have added to the aggression. They received warning.

And what good did the warning do? Where could they go to get out of harms way?

Warning someone that you are going to kill them is not amazingly generous.

Killing the RIGHT PEOPLE is better.

I'm not crying over it - the Arabs have done worse.
But two wrongs don't make a right.

Israel doesn't get much credit internationally when they take the high road. There are folks who are going to criticize and hate them no matter what they do.

But Israel shouldn't use that as an excuse to stop trying.

Israel stopped trying to limit civilian casualties? When?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yes, I can see how the unilateral humanitarian ceasefires have added to the aggression. They received warning.

And what good did the warning do? Where could they go to get out of harms way?

Warning someone that you are going to kill them is not amazingly generous.

Killing the RIGHT PEOPLE is better.

I'm not crying over it - the Arabs have done worse.
But two wrongs don't make a right.

Israel doesn't get much credit internationally when they take the high road. There are folks who are going to criticize and hate them no matter what they do.

But Israel shouldn't use that as an excuse to stop trying.

Israel stopped trying to limit civilian casualties? When?

No - imho - I don't think they have stopped trying completely, I just know they can do a lot better.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Far fewer Palestinian civilians would die if the terrorists would stop hiding among them.

I agree
And far fewer Arab civilians would die if Israel used the approach outlined in the links above. Israel can't control what the Arabs do - they CAN control what THEY do.

Moreover, far fewer Palestinian civilians would die of the terrorists stopped attacking Israel.

I agree.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Again. I'd say that the phone calls, texts and leaflets were more than enough. Trying to find ways to castigate blame on Israel in this situation is not the answer.

You don't have to work too hard to find ways that Israel has contributed to the escalation of violence.

You also don't have to look too hard to find the source.

Yes, I can see how the unilateral humanitarian ceasefires have added to the aggression. They received warning.

You are right - the "unilateral" cease fire isn't really unilateral when one side won't stop shooting.

You are wrong in the weight you place on the warnings because there is nowhere for the warned to go to avoid harm.

And wouldn't the terrorists be expected to heed the warning as much as the civilians? So if there was a safe haven, wouldn't the terrorists go there too? So what is the point of the warning?

Anyway, mho is that the terrorists are obviously the source of the problem. Israel is only making it worse by using flame-throwers to light cigarettes.

We seen just how targeted and selective their strikes can be. Why abandon strikes like these? It is only hurting them in the opinion of much of the world.

 

[Rocko]

Where exactly in the links is your claim proven??

Also you do know there's a difference between the IDF and Mossad right?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Where exactly in the links is your claim proven??

Also you do know there's a difference between the IDF and Mossad right?

Did you read the links?

I know the difference between Mossad and the IDF. And the difference between Shin Bet and Kidon and Aman.

 

[Rocko]

Where exactly in the links is your claim proven??

Also you do know there's a difference between the IDF and Mossad right?

Did you read the links?

I know the difference between Mossad and the IDF.

The IDF is carrying out the strikes against the Palestinians, yet all your links are about the Mossad.

Again I'm asking you to prove your claim. There's nothing in your links that do such.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Where exactly in the links is your claim proven??

Also you do know there's a difference between the IDF and Mossad right?

Did you read the links?

I know the difference between Mossad and the IDF.

The IDF is carrying out the strikes against the Palestinians, yet all your links are about the Mossad.

Again I'm asking you to prove your claim. There's nothing in your links that do such.

Rocko - Israel's Mossad, Shin Bet, Kidon, Aman, etc have proven their capacity to make surgical strikes and take out the bad guys with minimum collateral damage. The fact that the IDF is now performing operations without that same care is the point I am making.

Israel has shown the capability of being more selective (that's what the links demonstrate).

 

[Rocko]

Did you read the links?

I know the difference between Mossad and the IDF.

The IDF is carrying out the strikes against the Palestinians, yet all your links are about the Mossad.

Again I'm asking you to prove your claim. There's nothing in your links that do such.

Rocko - Israel's Mossad, Shin Bet, Kidon, Aman, etc have proven their capacity to make surgical strikes and take out the bad guys with minimum collateral damage. The fact that the IDF is now performing operations without that same care is the point I am making.

Israel has shown the capability of being more selective (that's what the links demonstrate).

Let me get this straight, you're making a claim about the IDF being more capable of limiting civilian casualties, but you have no specifics on the operations being carried out nor any description of IDF specific capabilities being repressed. Is it fair to say you haven't provided much evidence relating specifically to the IDF at all and you're maybe just going on a hunch?

 

[nodoginnafight]

The IDF is carrying out the strikes against the Palestinians, yet all your links are about the Mossad.

Again I'm asking you to prove your claim. There's nothing in your links that do such.

Rocko - Israel's Mossad, Shin Bet, Kidon, Aman, etc have proven their capacity to make surgical strikes and take out the bad guys with minimum collateral damage. The fact that the IDF is now performing operations without that same care is the point I am making.

Israel has shown the capability of being more selective (that's what the links demonstrate).

Let me get this straight, you're making a claim about the IDF being more capable of limiting civilian casualties, but you have no specifics on the operations being carried out nor any description of IDF specific capabilities being repressed. Is it fair to say you haven't provided much evidence relating specifically to the IDF at all and you're maybe just going on a hunch?

I am making a claim about ISRAEL being more capable of limiting civilian casualties.

and the links prove it.

 

[Rocko]

Another question I have is why do you think Israel wouldn't want to limit civilian casualties?