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>>Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? <<

Arabs were traders. Yemen and oman is the origin of the incense not arabia.
To presume that Keturah was the same as egyptian Hagar would be incorrect by trying to say they were both arab.
Yeman and Oman are more closely Ethiopian than arab tribes of central arabia.

The bible does not mention Keturah's land. the incense boswellia sacra originates from Yemen and Oman and traded by nomad arabs.
Hagar was Egyptian in both the bible and the quran. Hagar found water and settled at mecca.
The talmud is not the bible and Midrash especially is commentary, filling in the blanks with hypotisis not facts.
The idea of the two being the same peson is disputed.

KETURAH (, lit. "incense"):

Abraham's second wife, whom he married after the death of Sarah (Gen. xxv. 1; I Chron. i. 32). She was the ancestress of sixteen tribes, among which were Arabian and Midianite ones. In I Chron. i. 32 Keturah is called "the concubine of Abraham," and, probably for this reason, she is identified in the Midrash (Gen. R. lxi., quoted also by Rashi) and in the Palestinian Targumim with Hagar, who was the first concubine of Abraham. The Midrash explains the name "Keturah" as based on her acts, which were pleasant like frankincense. In Gen. xxv. 5 the Midrash (l.c.) reads the term "ha-pillagshim" (= "the concubines") without the yod, which is the sign of the plural (), explaining that there was only one concubine, as Hagar and Keturah were one person. Still it seems that such was not the opinion of the Talmudic doctors; for the children of Ishmael and the children of Keturah are kept distinct in the story of their complaints against the Jews before Alexander the Macedonian (Sanh. 91a).

Genesis 16:3 calls Hagar Abraham’s “wife” (‘iššâ), while Genesis 25:6 implies that Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, also was his “concubine” (pilegeš).
• Although Genesis 25:1 says, “Abraham again took a wife” (Keturah), verse 6 of that same chapter indicates Keturah also was his concubine.

Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? They were traders... They traded with East Africa across the Bab al Mendab.. They traded with the Indus Valley, and Dilmun, Babylon and Egypt..

The Nabateans were also traders.. up thru the Arabian escarpment in the West to M'adain Saleh and Petra.

I can't post links yet... but I am using mostly Jewish sources.

 

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edomites of jordan were descendants of esau
nabatians lived the the east of the edomites
arabu lived south and west of edom

 

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>>Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? <<

Arabs were traders. Yemen and oman is the origin of the incense not arabia.
To presume that Keturah was the same as egyptian Hagar would be incorrect by trying to say they were both arab.
Yeman and Oman are more closely Ethiopian than arab tribes of central arabia.

The bible does not mention Keturah's land. the incense boswellia sacra originates from Yemen and Oman and traded by nomad arabs.
Hagar was Egyptian in both the bible and the quran. Hagar found water and settled at mecca.
The talmud is not the bible and Midrash especially is commentary, filling in the blanks with hypotisis not facts.
The idea of the two being the same peson is disputed.

Genesis 16:3 calls Hagar Abraham’s “wife” (‘iššâ), while Genesis 25:6 implies that Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, also was his “concubine” (pilegeš).
• Although Genesis 25:1 says, “Abraham again took a wife” (Keturah), verse 6 of that same chapter indicates Keturah also was his concubine.

Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? They were traders... They traded with East Africa across the Bab al Mendab.. They traded with the Indus Valley, and Dilmun, Babylon and Egypt..

The Nabateans were also traders.. up thru the Arabian escarpment in the West to M'adain Saleh and Petra.

I can't post links yet... but I am using mostly Jewish sources.

I would not agree that Yemen was more closely associated with Ethiopia than central Arabia.. That would in reality be like claiming Yemen was more closely associated with the Indus Valley than central or northern Arabia.

Yemen has one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, with ties to the Semitic lands to its north, and to the cultures of the Horn of Africa, just across the Red Sea.

According to legend the earliest known rulers of Yemen were the descendants of Qahtan (Joktan from the Bible and Koran).

The Qahtanis (23rd c. to 8th c. B.C.) established the crucial trade routes and built dams to control flash-flooding... the most notable being the Marib dam.

I haven't been across the border into Yemen but I have explored Asir on the border .. Its wild land..

My knowledge of Yemen comes from a Lebanese classmate who was married to a French envoy .. she lived there 30 years. Yemen is definitely Arab with only some 30% Africans.

 

[aris2chat]

haplogroup L0–L5 DNA

>>Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? <<

Arabs were traders. Yemen and oman is the origin of the incense not arabia.
To presume that Keturah was the same as egyptian Hagar would be incorrect by trying to say they were both arab.
Yeman and Oman are more closely Ethiopian than arab tribes of central arabia.

Genesis 16:3 calls Hagar Abraham’s “wife” (‘iššâ), while Genesis 25:6 implies that Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, also was his “concubine” (pilegeš).
• Although Genesis 25:1 says, “Abraham again took a wife” (Keturah), verse 6 of that same chapter indicates Keturah also was his concubine.

Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? They were traders... They traded with East Africa across the Bab al Mendab.. They traded with the Indus Valley, and Dilmun, Babylon and Egypt..

The Nabateans were also traders.. up thru the Arabian escarpment in the West to M'adain Saleh and Petra.

I can't post links yet... but I am using mostly Jewish sources.

I would not agree that Yemen was more closely associated with Ethiopia than central Arabia.. That would in reality be like claiming Yemen was more closely associated with the Indus Valley than central or northern Arabia.

Yemen has one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, with ties to the Semitic lands to its north, and to the cultures of the Horn of Africa, just across the Red Sea.

According to legend the earliest known rulers of Yemen were the descendants of Qahtan (Joktan from the Bible and Koran).

The Qahtanis (23rd c. to 8th c. B.C.) established the crucial trade routes and built dams to control flash-flooding... the most notable being the Marib dam.

I haven't been across the border into Yemen but I have explored Asir on the border .. Its wild land..

My knowledge of Yemen comes from a Lebanese classmate who was married to a French envoy .. she lived there 30 years. Yemen is definitely Arab with only some 30% Africans.