Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'

[Sally]

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can convince his friends that Jesus was sitting down to a Passover Seder before his death. My goodness, the Arabs were still on the Saudi Peninsula at the time Jesus was attending the Seder singing Dayenu with the other attendees. Those Arabs didn't leave the Peninsula until they started invading the surrounding countries, and that was way after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'
Tuesday, December 24, 2013 | Ryan Jones


In what has become a new local Christmas tradition, the Palestinian Arabs this week again claimed Jesus as one of their own.

It matters not that every single shred of historical evidence identifies the Jews, not the Arabs, as the dominant ethnic presence in the land two thousand years ago. The Palestinians have decided that Jesus himself was Palestinian - a nationality that didn't even exist at the time - and there appears to be little-to-nothing anyone can say to make them see otherwise.

To continue reading, go to:

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa' - Israel Today | Israel News

 

[Billo_Really]

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can convince his friends that Jesus was sitting down to a Passover Seder before his death. My goodness, the Arabs were still on the Saudi Peninsula at the time Jesus was attending the Seder singing Dayenu with the other attendees. Those Arabs didn't leave the Peninsula until they started invading the surrounding countries, and that was way after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'
Tuesday, December 24, 2013 | Ryan Jones


In what has become a new local Christmas tradition, the Palestinian Arabs this week again claimed Jesus as one of their own.

It matters not that every single shred of historical evidence identifies the Jews, not the Arabs, as the dominant ethnic presence in the land two thousand years ago. The Palestinians have decided that Jesus himself was Palestinian - a nationality that didn't even exist at the time - and there appears to be little-to-nothing anyone can say to make them see otherwise.

To continue reading, go to:

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa' - Israel Today | Israel News

Arrogant, narcisstic Israeli's, don't know shit about Jesus.

 

[aris2chat]

Filled with so much anger and hate, neither do you obviously

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can convince his friends that Jesus was sitting down to a Passover Seder before his death. My goodness, the Arabs were still on the Saudi Peninsula at the time Jesus was attending the Seder singing Dayenu with the other attendees. Those Arabs didn't leave the Peninsula until they started invading the surrounding countries, and that was way after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'
Tuesday, December 24, 2013 | Ryan Jones


In what has become a new local Christmas tradition, the Palestinian Arabs this week again claimed Jesus as one of their own.

It matters not that every single shred of historical evidence identifies the Jews, not the Arabs, as the dominant ethnic presence in the land two thousand years ago. The Palestinians have decided that Jesus himself was Palestinian - a nationality that didn't even exist at the time - and there appears to be little-to-nothing anyone can say to make them see otherwise.

To continue reading, go to:

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa' - Israel Today | Israel News

Arrogant, narcisstic Israeli's, don't know shit about Jesus.

 

[Billo_Really]

Filled with so much anger and hate, neither do you obviously

I'm not filled with anger and hate.

But I do know a lot about Jesus.

And the things Israeli kiss-asses say on this board, Jesus would never say.

 

[Sally]

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can convince his friends that Jesus was sitting down to a Passover Seder before his death. My goodness, the Arabs were still on the Saudi Peninsula at the time Jesus was attending the Seder singing Dayenu with the other attendees. Those Arabs didn't leave the Peninsula until they started invading the surrounding countries, and that was way after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'
Tuesday, December 24, 2013 | Ryan Jones


In what has become a new local Christmas tradition, the Palestinian Arabs this week again claimed Jesus as one of their own.

It matters not that every single shred of historical evidence identifies the Jews, not the Arabs, as the dominant ethnic presence in the land two thousand years ago. The Palestinians have decided that Jesus himself was Palestinian - a nationality that didn't even exist at the time - and there appears to be little-to-nothing anyone can say to make them see otherwise.

To continue reading, go to:

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa' - Israel Today | Israel News

Arrogant, narcisstic Israeli's, don't know shit about Jesus.

Tell you what, moron, go to some Catholic Seminary and ask them if Jesus was a Palestinian. You know nothing, but you think you know everything. All you are is an ignorant good-for-nothing. If you had any get up and go you would have visited the Getty Museum when they had the exhibit Icons of the Holy Land lent by St. Catherine's Church in the Sinai. These icons were from the 2nd to the 4th a.d., and there are no Arabs depicted on the Icons. I guess a visit to your local bar is more in order for you than visiting someplace like the Getty.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell you what, moron, go to some Catholic Seminary and ask them if Jesus was a Palestinian. You know nothing, but you think you know everything. All you are is an ignorant good-for-nothing. If you had any get up and go you would have visited the Getty Museum when they had the exhibit Icons of the Holy Land lent by St. Catherine's Church in the Sinai. These icons were from the 2nd to the 4th a.d., and there are no Arabs depicted on the Icons. I guess a visit to your local bar is more in order for you than visiting someplace like the Getty.

I don't know everything. But I do know a lot about Jesus.

I was baptized a Catholic; confirmed as a Catholic; spent 8 years in parochial school; was an alter boy; went on several retreats and attended over a 1000 masses in my life. The life of Christ was pounded into me until I went to high school.

This is one subject I know a lot about.

And Jesus wouldn't care if someone thought of him as a Palestinian. HE's not that petty!

 

[Sally]

Tell you what, moron, go to some Catholic Seminary and ask them if Jesus was a Palestinian. You know nothing, but you think you know everything. All you are is an ignorant good-for-nothing. If you had any get up and go you would have visited the Getty Museum when they had the exhibit Icons of the Holy Land lent by St. Catherine's Church in the Sinai. These icons were from the 2nd to the 4th a.d., and there are no Arabs depicted on the Icons. I guess a visit to your local bar is more in order for you than visiting someplace like the Getty.

I don't know everything. But I do know a lot about Jesus.

I was baptized a Catholic; confirmed as a Catholic; spent 8 years in parochial school; was an alter boy; went on several retreats and attended over a 1000 masses in my life. The life of Christ was pounded into me until I went to high school.

This is one subject I know a lot about.

And Jesus wouldn't care if someone thought of him as a Palestinian. HE's not that petty!

Regardless of your background, go to a Catholic Seminary and ask someone there if Jesus was a Palestinian. You do not know what Jesus would think so it is kind of silly to make that statement. For all you know, he might have laughed at you for saying that.

 

[Billo_Really]

Regardless of your background, go to a Catholic Seminary and ask someone there if Jesus was a Palestinian. You do not know what Jesus would think so it is kind of silly to make that statement. For all you know, he might have laughed at you for saying that.

Jesus was a jew and I do know what HE would think. There's no mystery to his teachings. HIS message was pretty clear. HE would think all this talk about what a person is, is silly. It's not important. Arguing about it is a waste of time.

Jesus was into "who" you are, not "what" you are.

And HE definitely didn't like people treating others like crap.

Are you familiar with the 9th commandment? It's one you break a lot!

Jesus was about LOVE and that's something I don't see in any of your posts.

 

[Sally]

Regardless of your background, go to a Catholic Seminary and ask someone there if Jesus was a Palestinian. You do not know what Jesus would think so it is kind of silly to make that statement. For all you know, he might have laughed at you for saying that.

Jesus was a jew and I do know what HE would think. There's no mystery to his teachings. HIS message was pretty clear. HE would think all this talk about what a person is, is silly. It's not important. Arguing about it is a waste of time.

Jesus was into "who" you are, not "what" you are.

And HE definitely didn't like people treating others like crap.

Are you familiar with the 9th commandment? It's one you break a lot!

Jesus was about LOVE and that's something I don't see in any of your posts.

Yes, Jesus would just love seeing all the murder of his followers in the Middle East, Africa, and Southeast Asia and their churches burned down. For a supposedly good Catholic, I certainly don't see you concerning yourself over the fact that so many Christians are being killed so stop being a hypocrite. You really are not fooling most of the readers.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes, Jesus would just love seeing all the murder of his followers in the Middle East, Africa, and Southeast Asia and their churches burned down. For a supposedly good Catholic, I certainly don't see you concerning yourself over the fact that so many Christians are being killed so stop being a hypocrite. You really are not fooling most of the readers.

Jesus would be concerned with all murders everywhere.

And He'd treat Palestinian deaths and Israeli deaths and Christian deaths exactly the same. Everyone is equal in HIS eyes, until Judgement Day.

On that day, everyone pays up for his sins. I'll have to pay for my profanity and you'll have to pay for your treatment of Palestinian's.

 

[Sally]

Yes, Jesus would just love seeing all the murder of his followers in the Middle East, Africa, and Southeast Asia and their churches burned down. For a supposedly good Catholic, I certainly don't see you concerning yourself over the fact that so many Christians are being killed so stop being a hypocrite. You really are not fooling most of the readers.

Jesus would be concerned with all murders everywhere.

And He'd treat Palestinian deaths and Israeli deaths and Christian deaths exactly the same. Everyone is equal in HIS eyes, until Judgement Day.

On that day, everyone pays up for his sins. I'll have to pay for my profanity and you'll have to pay for your treatment of Palestinian's.

I'm through arguing with you because it is getting so tedious. I have to say, though, that I really didn't know that I was living in Israel and had contact with any Palestinian. Maybe you think I have some magic trick of living in the U.S. and then quickly flying over to Israel to have contact with people living in Israel. However, you actually would look like a more intelligent person if you would start looking into what is happening in other Middle East countries instead of just obsessing over Israel. People are not that stupid that they don't realize why you only post about Israel and nothing else even when you are on the Middle East forum.

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm through arguing with you because it is getting so tedious. I have to say, though, that I really didn't know that I was living in Israel and had contact with any Palestinian. Maybe you think I have some magic trick of living in the U.S. and then quickly flying over to Israel to have contact with people living in Israel. However, you actually would look like a more intelligent person if you would start looking into what is happening in other Middle East countries instead of just obsessing over Israel. People are not that stupid that they don't realize why you only post about Israel and nothing else even when you are on the Middle East forum.

You go out of your way to trash them and dehumanize them with almost every post.

 

[aris2chat]

Life according to which gospel? They contradict each other.
You might know the dogma of the church but not the love behind the teachings.
Love is not what come across in your post, nor even acceptance of others.
What you are doing on this forum is not working towards understanding or peace. You are not helping the extremes come together and find common ground. You are not dispelling lies and rhetoric.
You are not helping resolve the conflict or help the people involved

Tell you what, moron, go to some Catholic Seminary and ask them if Jesus was a Palestinian. You know nothing, but you think you know everything. All you are is an ignorant good-for-nothing. If you had any get up and go you would have visited the Getty Museum when they had the exhibit Icons of the Holy Land lent by St. Catherine's Church in the Sinai. These icons were from the 2nd to the 4th a.d., and there are no Arabs depicted on the Icons. I guess a visit to your local bar is more in order for you than visiting someplace like the Getty.

I don't know everything. But I do know a lot about Jesus.

I was baptized a Catholic; confirmed as a Catholic; spent 8 years in parochial school; was an alter boy; went on several retreats and attended over a 1000 masses in my life. The life of Christ was pounded into me until I went to high school.

This is one subject I know a lot about.

And Jesus wouldn't care if someone thought of him as a Palestinian. HE's not that petty!

 

[Billo_Really]

Life according to which gospel? They contradict each other.
You might know the dogma of the church but not the love behind the teachings.
Love is not what come across in your post, nor even acceptance of others.
What you are doing on this forum is not working towards understanding or peace. You are not helping the extremes come together and find common ground. You are not dispelling lies and rhetoric.
You are not helping resolve the conflict or help the people involved

That's your opinion, which I disagree with.

Where have I not accepted others?

And I really disagree with the "not dispelling lies and rhetoric" comment.

But think what you want. You're free to believe whatever you want to about me.

 

[Shaarona]

Regardless of your background, go to a Catholic Seminary and ask someone there if Jesus was a Palestinian. You do not know what Jesus would think so it is kind of silly to make that statement. For all you know, he might have laughed at you for saying that.

Jesus was a jew and I do know what HE would think. There's no mystery to his teachings. HIS message was pretty clear. HE would think all this talk about what a person is, is silly. It's not important. Arguing about it is a waste of time.

Jesus was into "who" you are, not "what" you are.

And HE definitely didn't like people treating others like crap.

Are you familiar with the 9th commandment? It's one you break a lot!

Jesus was about LOVE and that's something I don't see in any of your posts.

Yes, Jesus would just love seeing all the murder of his followers in the Middle East, Africa, and Southeast Asia and their churches burned down. For a supposedly good Catholic, I certainly don't see you concerning yourself over the fact that so many Christians are being killed so stop being a hypocrite. You really are not fooling most of the readers.

When did you begin caring about the Palestinian Christians?

 

[Shaarona]

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can convince his friends that Jesus was sitting down to a Passover Seder before his death. My goodness, the Arabs were still on the Saudi Peninsula at the time Jesus was attending the Seder singing Dayenu with the other attendees. Those Arabs didn't leave the Peninsula until they started invading the surrounding countries, and that was way after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'
Tuesday, December 24, 2013 | Ryan Jones


In what has become a new local Christmas tradition, the Palestinian Arabs this week again claimed Jesus as one of their own.

It matters not that every single shred of historical evidence identifies the Jews, not the Arabs, as the dominant ethnic presence in the land two thousand years ago. The Palestinians have decided that Jesus himself was Palestinian - a nationality that didn't even exist at the time - and there appears to be little-to-nothing anyone can say to make them see otherwise.

To continue reading, go to:

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa' - Israel Today | Israel News

Arabs have been in Palestine since Abraham... Remember that Abraham's third wife was Keturah, an Arab, with whom he had six sons. The Arab wife of Moses was Zipporah.

 

[aris2chat]

Keturah's land is not given and Zipporah's father is a prince of Midian which is in arabia

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can convince his friends that Jesus was sitting down to a Passover Seder before his death. My goodness, the Arabs were still on the Saudi Peninsula at the time Jesus was attending the Seder singing Dayenu with the other attendees. Those Arabs didn't leave the Peninsula until they started invading the surrounding countries, and that was way after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa'
Tuesday, December 24, 2013 | Ryan Jones


In what has become a new local Christmas tradition, the Palestinian Arabs this week again claimed Jesus as one of their own.

It matters not that every single shred of historical evidence identifies the Jews, not the Arabs, as the dominant ethnic presence in the land two thousand years ago. The Palestinians have decided that Jesus himself was Palestinian - a nationality that didn't even exist at the time - and there appears to be little-to-nothing anyone can say to make them see otherwise.

To continue reading, go to:

Israel: Angry Palestinian Leaders Need 'Hug From Santa' - Israel Today | Israel News

Arabs have been in Palestine since Abraham... Remember that Abraham's third wife was Keturah, an Arab, with whom he had six sons. The Arab wife of Moses was Zipporah.

 

[Shaarona]

KETURAH (, lit. "incense"):











Abraham's second wife, whom he married after the death of Sarah (Gen. xxv. 1; I Chron. i. 32). She was the ancestress of sixteen tribes, among which were Arabian and Midianite ones. In I Chron. i. 32 Keturah is called "the concubine of Abraham," and, probably for this reason, she is identified in the Midrash (Gen. R. lxi., quoted also by Rashi) and in the Palestinian Targumim with Hagar, who was the first concubine of Abraham. The Midrash explains the name "Keturah" as based on her acts, which were pleasant like frankincense. In Gen. xxv. 5 the Midrash (l.c.) reads the term "ha-pillagshim" (= "the concubines") without the yod, which is the sign of the plural (), explaining that there was only one concubine, as Hagar and Keturah were one person. Still it seems that such was not the opinion of the Talmudic doctors; for the children of Ishmael and the children of Keturah are kept distinct in the story of their complaints against the Jews before Alexander the Macedonian (Sanh. 91a).

 

[aris2chat]

The bible does not mention Keturah's land. the incense boswellia sacra originates from Yemen and Oman and traded by nomad arabs.
Hagar was Egyptian in both the bible and the quran. Hagar found water and settled at mecca.
The talmud is not the bible and Midrash especially is commentary, filling in the blanks with hypotisis not facts.
The idea of the two being the same peson is disputed.

KETURAH (, lit. "incense"):

Abraham's second wife, whom he married after the death of Sarah (Gen. xxv. 1; I Chron. i. 32). She was the ancestress of sixteen tribes, among which were Arabian and Midianite ones. In I Chron. i. 32 Keturah is called "the concubine of Abraham," and, probably for this reason, she is identified in the Midrash (Gen. R. lxi., quoted also by Rashi) and in the Palestinian Targumim with Hagar, who was the first concubine of Abraham. The Midrash explains the name "Keturah" as based on her acts, which were pleasant like frankincense. In Gen. xxv. 5 the Midrash (l.c.) reads the term "ha-pillagshim" (= "the concubines") without the yod, which is the sign of the plural (), explaining that there was only one concubine, as Hagar and Keturah were one person. Still it seems that such was not the opinion of the Talmudic doctors; for the children of Ishmael and the children of Keturah are kept distinct in the story of their complaints against the Jews before Alexander the Macedonian (Sanh. 91a).

 

[Shaarona]

The bible does not mention Keturah's land. the incense boswellia sacra originates from Yemen and Oman and traded by nomad arabs.
Hagar was Egyptian in both the bible and the quran. Hagar found water and settled at mecca.
The talmud is not the bible and Midrash especially is commentary, filling in the blanks with hypotisis not facts.
The idea of the two being the same peson is disputed.

KETURAH (, lit. "incense"):

Abraham's second wife, whom he married after the death of Sarah (Gen. xxv. 1; I Chron. i. 32). She was the ancestress of sixteen tribes, among which were Arabian and Midianite ones. In I Chron. i. 32 Keturah is called "the concubine of Abraham," and, probably for this reason, she is identified in the Midrash (Gen. R. lxi., quoted also by Rashi) and in the Palestinian Targumim with Hagar, who was the first concubine of Abraham. The Midrash explains the name "Keturah" as based on her acts, which were pleasant like frankincense. In Gen. xxv. 5 the Midrash (l.c.) reads the term "ha-pillagshim" (= "the concubines") without the yod, which is the sign of the plural (), explaining that there was only one concubine, as Hagar and Keturah were one person. Still it seems that such was not the opinion of the Talmudic doctors; for the children of Ishmael and the children of Keturah are kept distinct in the story of their complaints against the Jews before Alexander the Macedonian (Sanh. 91a).

Genesis 16:3 calls Hagar Abraham’s “wife” (‘iššâ), while Genesis 25:6 implies that Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, also was his “concubine” (pilegeš).
• Although Genesis 25:1 says, “Abraham again took a wife” (Keturah), verse 6 of that same chapter indicates Keturah also was his concubine.

Why do you assume that the Arabs out of Yemen and Oman were Bedouin? They were traders... They traded with East Africa across the Bab al Mendab.. They traded with the Indus Valley, and Dilmun, Babylon and Egypt..

The Nabateans were also traders.. up thru the Arabian escarpment in the West to M'adain Saleh and Petra.

I can't post links yet... but I am using mostly Jewish sources.