Israel and Palestine - which side would you support?

[The Irish Ram]

 

[MJB12741]

This is nothing new for Palestinians. Who can ever forget Farfour the evil Palestinian rat teaching Palestinian children hatred.

https://www.gov.il/en/pages/hamas-mickey-mouse-teaches-children-to-hate-and-kill-10-may-2007

 

[gipper]

You are welcome to your religious beliefs, but your religious beliefs are irrelevant with respect to the State of Israel.

The State of Israel DOES, in point of fact, exist. It needs no reason, no excuse, no justification. It is.

This whole "right to exist" is nonsense, and nonsense which is applied to no other state. Discussion of "right to exist" is simply taking the long way around to the real intent, which is a call to destroy a State and to deny a specific indigenous ethnic and national group the right to self-determination. Both unlawful and immoral.

It’s obvious you don’t think the Palestinians have a right to exist.

You want them exterminated.

 

[fncceo]

i think that this could be a difficult question for some

But it shouldn’t be if you know ANYTHING at all about it.

 

[gipper]

Not that difficult. Definitely Israel.

If it’s true Israel has murdered 400,000 Palestinians, half children, do you still support it?

 

[gipper]

Not that difficult. Definitely Israel.

No response to my question. Why?

 

[JimH52]

Israel of course, but the leader Netanyahu is an indicted warmonger, who with the criminal trump is trying to destroy the Palestinian people.

They actually want to push them out of Gaza, so they can create a ME playground for the rich. trump.has said as much.

 

[Shusha]

It’s obvious you don’t think the Palestinians have a right to exist.

You deliberately the entire point to my post. Arabs with a national identity of "Palestinians" DO exist. Discussion of "right to exist" is nonsense.

You want them exterminated.

No. I want them to stop using violence against the Israeli and Jewish people. They can do whatever they like but that.

 

[gipper]

You deliberately the entire point to my post. Arabs with a national identity of "Palestinians" DO exist. Discussion of "right to exist" is nonsense.

No. I want them to stop using violence against the Israeli and Jewish people. They can do whatever they like but that.

I generally don’t read posts by Zionists. Why should I subject myself to ignorance and hatred?

The violence is almost all one sided. You Zionists love murdering and destroying. It’s what you do.

 

[White 6]

If it’s true Israel has murdered 400,000 Palestinians, half children, do you still support it?

My theory, is that the asshole Palestinians that support Hamas, should not have snuck over, in the middle of the night and started killing, raping and kidnapping Israelis. If they had not, there would be no reason for Israel to defend by going in to wipe out Hamas, rescue hostages and establish control, so the bastard are not able to sneak over and do it again.

Yes. I definitely support Israel. Screw the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran that has been backing them. I am 8,000 miles away, and truly do not give a shit, and will not shed a tear, the lengths Israel has to go to, in order to protect Israel and the Israeli people. Maybe the raving mad zealots of Hamas and the Palestinians, (they are either supported by or else control), could have given up on the destruction of Israel, and chose peace, but they did not, and crossed the line, in a big way, so fk them.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[gipper]

My theory, is that the asshole Palestinians that support Hamas, should not have snuck over, in the middle of the night and started killing, raping and kidnapping Israelis. If they had not, there would be no reason for Israel to defend by going in to wipe out Hamas, rescue hostages and establish control, so the bastard are not able to sneak over and do it again.

Yes. I definitely support Israel. Screw the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran that has been backing them. I am 8,000 miles away, and truly do not give a shit, and will not shed a tear, the lengths Israel has to go to, in order to protect Israel and the Israeli people. Maybe the raving mad zealots of Hamas and the Palestinians, (they are either supported by or else control), could have given up on the destruction of Israel, and chose peace, but they did not, and crossed the line, in a big way, so fk them.

You support genocide of an oppressed people who rebelled against their oppressor.

I don’t expect you to understand. You’re just another dumb American duped by Zionist propaganda.

In time, you’ll deny you supported genocide just like Germans denied they supported the Holocaust.

Caitlin knows you assholes so well…

Israel Supporters Will Be Despised For The Rest of Their Lives​

CAITLIN JOHNSTONE JUN 21

Do Israel’s supporters know it’s over for them? Like, they know they’re going to be despised for the rest of their lives, right? That they will never, ever live down the fact that they supported a live-streamed genocide? And that it will only get worse for them as history clarifies things?

Surely they must realize this by now. Surely they must realize that nothing they do for the rest of their lives will ever be as significant as the fact that they played cheerleader for genocide and all of Israel’s demented warmongering, long after normal people realized it was the wrong thing to do. That in the eyes of the world they will all always be first and foremost someone who supported and defended history’s first live-streamed genocide.

I wonder what that’s like, knowing that about yourself?
Israel Supporters Will Be Despised For The Rest of Their Lives

DEAR ISRAELI APOLOGIST
Babble about October 7 and Hamas and hostages all you wish. I’ve stopped listening to you.
Pile on as many walls of text as you like explaining why it is actually fine and good to bomb hospitals and massacre starving civilians seeking aid. I ain’t reading all that, free Palestine.
Regurgitate whatever the latest propaganda narrative is about Iran or the Houthis or Hezbollah or whichever new war Israel is getting ready to start this week. We both know it’s all lies.
Parrot whatever’s the current hasbara slogan justifying Israel’s genocide in Gaza if you want to. Your words have no power here.
That’s why your old tricks have stopped working, you know: all you have is words.
We have truth, facts and morality on our side, and you have a bunch of words.
We have mountains of raw video footage documenting war crimes and mass atrocities. And you have a mountain of words.
Dear Israel Apologist

 

[fncceo]

Israel of course, but the leader Netanyahu is an indicted warmonger

I might actually believe that if I didn’t know for a fact that Israel has been criticized for every action it has taken in its own defense for the past fifty years - regardless of who was in charge.

Don’t try for a second to pass this off as “I just don’t like Netanyahu”. We all know who you don’t like.

 

[José]

Maybe the Palestinians, could have given up
on the destruction of Israel, and chose peace.

Peace without justice is the peace of the slave who, with his master's boot on his neck, unable to stand up for his rights, submits to his will without a semblance of human dignity.

 

[Shusha]

Maybe the Palestinians, could have given up
on the destruction of Israel, and chose peace.

Peace without justice is the peace of the slave who, with his master's boot on his neck, unable to stand up for his rights, submits to his will without a semblance of human dignity.

Unweasel the weasel word "justice".

 

[José]

Originally posted by Shusha
Unweasel the weasel word "justice".

Easy.

Justice for Palestinians means the jewish racial dictatorship abolishing its 85-year-old shoot-to-kill policy, standing down the snipers, tearing down the walls and fences, and allowing the native people to move freely in their homeland.

 

[Shusha]

Easy.

Justice for Palestinians means the jewish racial dictatorship abolishing its 85-year-old shoot-to-kill policy, standing down the snipers, tearing down the walls and fences, and allowing the native people to move freely in their homeland.

Not enough information about the future of the territory and what a permanent "solution" looks like. What does "move freely" mean? Define specifically the territory you label "homeland". No checkpoints, so no borders? Does it matter who holds sovereignty?

Also, does justice include things like an end to terrorism, hostage-taking, and other atrocities?

 

[fncceo]

allowing the native people to move freely in their homeland.

The Jews ARE the native people of Israel. They beat the Arabs there by 2,000 years.

 

[José]

fncceo
The Jews ARE the native people of Israel. They beat the Arabs there by 2,000 years.

Even if that were true regarding Europeans of Jewish faith (which it is not), it does not grant them any right to herd the people they encountered there into ethnic enclaves.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Shusha
What does "move freely" mean?

Allowing the people in Gaza, for example, to return and rebuild their communities in southern Palestine, or simply to live or travel freely wherever they choose.

Originally posted by Shusha
Define specifically the territory you label "homeland".

The territory formerly comprised by the British Mandate of Palestine.

Originally posted by Shusha
No checkpoints, so no borders?

Checkpoints and borders are acceptable between real sovereign countries like Jordan and Lebanon—not racial corrals specifically designed to manufacture an artificial majority within the supremacist state.

Originally posted by Shusha
Does it matter who holds sovereignty?

One man, one vote.

Originally posted by Shusha
Also, does justice include things like an end to terrorism, hostage-taking, and other atrocities?

Hopefully so. But since human societies are extremely complex and therefore unpredictable, the peaceful dismantlement of a racial dictatorship does not necessarily guarantee the end of ethnic conflict.

Still, this Jewish American spiritual leader strongly believed that the total dismantlement of supremacist states was the morally right course of action, regardless of the outcome—and I happen to agree with him.

Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, left, presenting the Judaism and
World Peace Award to Martin Luther King Jr., December 7, 1965​