Islamization of Paris a Warning for the West

[Jack Fate]

CAIR and all muslims in the USA are going to have to realize that they are not going to get special treatment. Everyone lives under constitutional law in the USA no matter what their religion is. They'll cry and moan and file law suit after law suit, but the States will keep passing laws to prohibit Sharia Law. Time for all you muslims to grow up and learn to live in a modern society.

 

[Father Time]

I think Europeans are making a big mistake pandering to the demands of an ALIEN culture.

The French need a place to be French just as much as every other people need a place to be what they are, too.

One of the mistakes of most liberals is the belief that one can have a multicultural society without also having MONOCULTURE enclaves where each culture is protected and cherished.

But the mistake has been made already in Europe.

So the real question is how do these cultures back out of their committment to something that is IMPOSSIBLE to sustain?

Prove it's impossible, the U.S. has survived large spats of immigrants with different culture, like the Irish.

Well...doing things like outlawing the burka are a damned good start.

The burka is an OFFENCE to those who are not buying into the culture of Islam.

It is an INSULT to both men and woman who are not Moslem.

Well seeing as how the burqa does not harm people nor is it a threat they will have to get over it. That's how a free society works.

I'm okay if the Moslems want to feel that way about themselves, but I am NOT okay with them imposing that nonsense on me.

Yes how dare you be aware that other people hold those attitudes, we need to outlaw free expression immediately.

 

[Father Time]

CAIR and all muslims in the USA are going to have to realize that they are not going to get special treatment. Everyone lives under constitutional law in the USA no matter what their religion is. They'll cry and moan and file law suit after law suit, but the States will keep passing laws to prohibit Sharia Law. Time for all you muslims to grow up and learn to live in a modern society.

This I can agree to (most of it anyway).

 

[Sunni Man]

CAIR and all muslims in the USA are going to have to realize that they are not going to get special treatment. Everyone lives under constitutional law in the USA no matter what their religion is. They'll cry and moan and file law suit after law suit, but the States will keep passing laws to prohibit Sharia Law. Time for all you muslims to grow up and learn to live in a modern society.

Those kind of state laws violate the Constitution.

So CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations will just take them to court and get them reversed.

 

[Freeman]

I think Europeans are making a big mistake pandering to the demands of an ALIEN culture.

The French need a place to be French just as much as every other people need a place to be what they are, too.

One of the mistakes of most liberals is the belief that one can have a multicultural society without also having MONOCULTURE enclaves where each culture is protected and cherished.

But the mistake has been made already in Europe.

So the real question is how do these cultures back out of their committment to something that is IMPOSSIBLE to sustain?

Well...doing things like outlawing the burka are a damned good start.

The burka is an OFFENCE to those who are not buying into the culture of Islam.

It is an INSULT to both men and woman who are not Moslem.

How is it an insult? Editec? you ask?

Well, the burka suggests that all woman are whore/victims and that men are oversexed rapist PIGS who cannot help themselves if they gaze upon a woman.

I'm okay if the Moslems want to feel that way about themselves, but I am NOT okay with them imposing that nonsense on me.

Islam can take its Sharia society nonsense back to where it was spawned.

We have our own western cultural nonsense that we're like to preserve, thank you very much.

Now am I really a liberal??

Damned right I am.

I completely support other nations doing what they think best. It's THEIR nation, let them decide how it works.

I ALSO support OUR WESTERN CULTURE and think it TOO deserves to be treated with that exactly kind of respect.

Now that folks, THAT is REAL liberalism.

My advise?

Don't piss off REAL liberals.

We fight back.

when you would work in Middle east or Asia, are you ready to change your culture, clothes, food customs to integrate the new society? or you prefer to stay with your own customs ?!

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations

Why do you say stupid things like that?

 

[Father Time]

how is this unconstitutional?

 

[Sunni Man]

how is this unconstitutional?

November 5, 2010

Group Sues to Stop Oklahoma's Anti-Sharia Constitutional Amendment

Muneer Awad, Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, filed for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction seeking to stop the State of Oklahoma from certifying state ballot question 755 and implementing the new anti-Sharia constitutional amendment. CAIR's press release is here.

As we mentioned previously, Oklahoma's state ballot question 755 would amend the state constitution to ban the use of Sharia law in Oklahoma courts. It reads in relevant part:

The [Oklahoma courts], when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Constitution, the Oklahoma Constitution, the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia Law. . . .

The measure passed by 70% to 30% in Tuesday's election.

Awad and CAIR argue that the provision violates both the Establishment Clause (under the Lemon test) and the Free Exercise Clause (under either strict scrutiny or rational basis review). In short, they argue that the State's targeting of Sharia law will stigmatize Awad based on his faith and prevent him from enforcing his will (which references Sharia law) in Oklahoma state courts. As to the Establishment Clause, they argue that the measure violates all three parts of the Lemon test: that it does not have a secular purpose, that its primary effect advances and inhibits religion, and that it fosters an excessive government entanglement with religion. As to Free Exercise, they argue that the State doesn't even have a legitimate purpose in banning the use of Sharia law, except the bare desire to harm a politically unpopular group. This is not enough to sustain the measure against Awad's challenge. Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center; Romer v. Evans.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...omas-anti-sharia-constitutional-amendment.htm

 

[Jack Fate]

CAIR and all muslims in the USA are going to have to realize that they are not going to get special treatment. Everyone lives under constitutional law in the USA no matter what their religion is. They'll cry and moan and file law suit after law suit, but the States will keep passing laws to prohibit Sharia Law. Time for all you muslims to grow up and learn to live in a modern society.

Those kind of state laws violate the Constitution.

So CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations will just take them to court and get them reversed.

Nope. You have no idea what the US Constitution says. CAIR and the ACLU are not American patriotic organizations. Take the states to court. Spend your money. I hope you spend billions and billions.

 

[Sunni Man]

CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations

Why do you say stupid things like that?

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

 

[Jack Fate]

CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations

Why do you say stupid things like that?

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

Tell us what you're gonna do when it goes all the way to the Supreme Court and you get turned down and Sharia Law in America goes down forever? Are you gonna blow some people up?

 

[Sunni Man]

CAIR and all muslims in the USA are going to have to realize that they are not going to get special treatment. Everyone lives under constitutional law in the USA no matter what their religion is. They'll cry and moan and file law suit after law suit, but the States will keep passing laws to prohibit Sharia Law. Time for all you muslims to grow up and learn to live in a modern society.

Those kind of state laws violate the Constitution.

So CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations will just take them to court and get them reversed.

Nope. You have no idea what the US Constitution says. CAIR and the ACLU are not American patriotic organizations. Take the states to court. Spend your money. I hope you spend billions and billions.

All patriotic and freedom loving citizens of our great nation should be thankful for CAIR, ACLU, and many other organizations that fight against tyranny and government oppression.

 

[Sunni Man]

Why do you say stupid things like that?

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

Tell us what you're gonna do when it goes all the way to the Supreme Court and you get turned down and Sharia Law in America goes down forever? Are you gonna blow some people up?

We are not a violent people like your kind Jack Fate.

We believe in using the law and courts to achieve equality.

And will file as many legal papers and law suits as it takes to have our version of the American dream.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

CAIR, ACLU, and other patriotic organizations

Why do you say stupid things like that?

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

Roger Baldwin(founder of the ACLU) was a communist and then became a Fabian socialist .
Ibrahim Hooper
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

Tell us what you're gonna do when it goes all the way to the Supreme Court and you get turned down and Sharia Law in America goes down forever? Are you gonna blow some people up?

We are not a violent people like your kind Jack Fate.

We believe in using the law and courts to achieve equality.

And will file as many legal papers and law suits as it takes to have our version of the American dream.

Please prove non muslims are equal under sharia law.

 

[Sunni Man]

Why do you say stupid things like that?

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

Roger Baldwin(founder of the ACLU) was a communist and then became a Fabian socialist .
Ibrahim Hooper
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

Sound's good to me.

 

[Jroc]

All patriotic and freedom loving citizens of our great nation should be thankful for CAIR, ACLU, and many other organizations that fight against tyranny and government oppression.

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CAIR & Ghassan Elashi: Partners in Islamic Terrorism?

On April 13, 2005, Ghassan Elashi, founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations – Texas (CAIR – Texas) chapter, long-time associate of CAIR's top leadership, and beneficiary of CAIR fund-raising support, was convicted on Islamic terrorism related charges in Dallas, Texas.

According to the federal indictment, Elashi was laundering money for Islamic terrorist organizations from 11/95 through 4/01 (pages 21 & 22).

Dating back to the early 1990s, Elashi had close ties to CAIR's leaders. Elashi founded the CAIR – Texas chapter sometime before October, 2000 (CAIR – Texas first appeared as an affiliate on the CAIR National web site in October 2000).

Therefore, it is evident Elashi was a high-ranking CAIR official at the time he committed the pro-terrorist crimes for which he was found guilty by a jury of our fellow


http://www.anti-cair-net.org/press_014_05.html




Moreover, from its founding by Muslim Brotherhood leaders, CAIR conspired with other affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood to support terrorists. See Government's Memorandum in Opposition to CAIR's Motion for Leave to File a Brief, etc., in United States v. Holy Land Foundation . . . et al, Cr. No. 3-04-cr-240-G (N.D. Tx. September 4, 2007), available at http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/479.pdf. Proof that the conspirators agreed to use deception to conceal from the American public their connections to terrorists was introduced at both the Texas trial in 2007 and also at a Chicago trial the previous year. United States v. Ashqar, et. al., No. 03-978 (N.D. Il. 2006).

A dozen other men have been convicted of crimes in what was known as the "Virginia Paintball" case. Among them is Randall Royer, a former CAIR employee sentenced to 20 years in prison after pleading guilty to weapons and explosives charges. The case centered around a group of men urged by their spiritual leader Ali Timimi to fight against American troops in Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Government Reminds Court of CAIR/MAS Ties to Terrorists :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism


The CAIR-Terror Connection

In September of 2001, just following the worst terrorist attack ever suffered in modern history, CAIR placed on its website, under a picture of the World Trade Center in flames, a plea for donations. It read, “Donate to the NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund.”


Yet, when people clicked on the link, it did not take them to any NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund. No, it took them straight to the website of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, an Islamic ‘charity’ that was soon to be shut down by the United States for “raising millions of dollars annually for HAMAS.”


The fact that CAIR was toying with the emotions of persons wanting to give money to a fund that CAIR disguised as one related to the 9/11 attacks is despicable…The fact that CAIR was asking people to donate to an organization that was raising millions for a terrorist organization that regularly sends suicide squads to murder innocent people is reprehensible. Under the right circumstances, it would also be criminal...but that is a determination for the appropriate authorities to make, after their (much delayed, and much needed) investigation commences.

FrontPage Magazine - The CAIR-Terror Connection

 

[Jack Fate]

They are both legitimate organizations working to preserve American freedoms under the Constitution.

Tell us what you're gonna do when it goes all the way to the Supreme Court and you get turned down and Sharia Law in America goes down forever? Are you gonna blow some people up?

We are not a violent people like your kind Jack Fate.

We believe in using the law and courts to achieve equality.

And will file as many legal papers and law suits as it takes to have our version of the American dream.

That's simply hilarious.

I hate to inform you of this, Mr. Muslim. The American dream is contained in the US Constitution. Not in Sharia Law.

 

[Sunni Man]

The fact that CAIR was toying with the emotions of persons wanting to give money to a fund that CAIR disguised as one related to the 9/11 attacks is despicable…The fact that CAIR was asking people to donate to an organization that was raising millions for a terrorist organization that regularly sends suicide squads to murder innocent people is reprehensible. Under the right circumstances, it would also be criminal...but that is a determination for the appropriate authorities to make, after their (much delayed, and much needed) investigation commences.

CAIR was never convicted of any wrong doing.

It has been given a clean bill of health by all government and Federal agencies.

And is a voice of reason and sanity for all Americans in the post 9/11 world.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

A voice of sanity indeed

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations