Islam. The religion of peace, tolerance and truth?

[teddyearp]

No, but the rest of the Christian world stands up and very publicly and vocally condemns them. Where is the loud outcry against ISIS from the moslem world?

And Timothy McVeigh was not screaming "Praise God", nor was Hitler. The slavery issue, though reprehensible, is so not related to any topic in this thread.

I don't trust American sources, but HOW CAN CHRISTIANITY BE A RELIGION OF PEACE FORCING PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR ON ANY BASIS AT ALL???

I do not think slavery is anywhere related to this thread.

 

[teddyearp]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I don't trust American sources, but HOW CAN CHRISTIANITY BE A RELIGION OF PEACE FORCING PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR ON ANY BASIS AT ALL???

You seem to be having some difficulty with your cap locks. Did the key get jammed in mid vomit or something?

As to difficulties, however, I would say the malfunctioning keyboard pales in comparison to your ability to understand basic concepts.

 

[Carla_Danger]

He identified as an agnostic, although he was raised Catholic.

He became agnostic before he died, but he was a Catholic (CHRISTIAN) when he perpetrated the attack. Is so-called Christianity so good producing men like Timothy McVeigh & these people:

Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ?

I'm sorry, but no he wasn't. If this had anything to do with Christian religious views I would be the FIRST person to say so. Timmy was an anti-Government gun nut. He was a right wing extremist. The OKC bombing had nothing to do with religion.

I followed this story closely. I live just outside of OKC and was on my way to get my daughters SS card the day of the bombing. My daughter was 2 1/2 weeks old at the time, and she's now almost 20, so we're coming up on the 20 yr anniversary of the bombing. There's not one second of that day forgotten. I remember it like it was yesterday.

Lou Michel: No, he doesn't. He, in a recent letter to The Buffalo News, said that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. He views himself as a freedom fighter, against what he believes were egregious actions of the U.S. government against American citizens.

Does McVeigh have any spiritual-religious beliefs?

Lou Michel: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, "What if there is a heaven and hell?"

He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon -- "adapt, improvise, and overcome." Death to him is all part of the adventure.

CNN.com Chat Transcript - Authors Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck on their book about Timothy McVeigh - April 4 2001


Your own link says this was a right wing, anti-Government attack


Anti-government, Anti-liberal, and fascist extremism

• 1995 April 19: Oklahoma City bombing: A truck bomb shattered the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children playing in the building's day care center. Right-wing terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were convicted in the bombing.

 

[Ancient lion]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

Stop Asking Muslims to Condemn Terrorism. It s bigoted and Islamophobic.

 

[Carla_Danger]

And what religion was Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hitler, and those who forced Africans into American slavery? Does Christianity produce people like that because it is so good?

No, but the rest of the Christian world stands up and very publicly and vocally condemns them. Where is the loud outcry against ISIS from the moslem world?

And Timothy McVeigh was not screaming "Praise God", nor was Hitler. The slavery issue, though reprehensible, is so not related to any topic in this thread.

Perhaps you aren't looking for the outcry. Google is your friend,

 

[Carla_Danger]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

Stop Asking Muslims to Condemn Terrorism. It s bigoted and Islamophobic.

loonwatch,com? Sounds credible...

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

Stop Asking Muslims to Condemn Terrorism. It s bigoted and Islamophobic.

Ah, so we should just assume you support it, instead, I see.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Coyote]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

Stop Asking Muslims to Condemn Terrorism. It s bigoted and Islamophobic.

Ah, so we should just assume you support it, instead, I see.

Thanks for the clarification.

Learn to read, not read into.

 

[Coyote]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

They don't. People keep making this claim over and over and over....and links and articles are provided over and over and over showing condemnations against extremist violence. And everytime people ignore it.

Where are the Christian protests against the kkk?
Where are the mass denunciations from Christians around the world against abortion clinic bombings?
Where are the mass condemnations from Christians around the world against the actions of the LRA in Africa?

The above really doesn't matter because no one EXPECTS of the Christian community, only the Muslim commnity. Over and over and over.

It doesn't matter what they do or say - it will not be enough to satisfy some people.

 

[Coyote]

And what religion was Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hitler, and those who forced Africans into American slavery? Does Christianity produce people like that because it is so good?

No, but the rest of the Christian world stands up and very publicly and vocally condemns them. Where is the loud outcry against ISIS from the moslem world?

Need Muslims go out of their way to publicly voice their opinions against "ISIS" and become involved in something they'd rather peacefully stay out of?

No.

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I was reading something, in the history, leading up to WW2. When word was coming out about what was happening to the Jews in Europe, there was a powerful reluctance of America to take in refugees. Even America's Jewish community didn't speak up, for a number of reasons one of which in a climate of anti-semitism in the US at the time they needed to keep their heads down and, in addition, many of the European Jews were considered communist sympathizers if not agitators and they didn't want anything to bring negative attention to American Jews. Today, in America, the Jewish community is strong and healthy and anti-semitism is less a problem then it seems to be in Europe but Islamophobia certainly is. I can see why the American Muslim community would not want to do anything to bring about attention and, because if they do - it wouldn't be enough. They are not extremists. Their religion is not the religion of extremism. They have nothing to "apologize for", they've done nothing wrong.

 

[teddyearp]

Goddess, I don't hate all Moslems, but I just have a hard time when the moderates stay so silent. You give reasons that I suppose could be valid. I suppose Christians should mind their own business next the kkk starts up again?

Stop Asking Muslims to Condemn Terrorism. It s bigoted and Islamophobic.

I am asking moslems to condemn terrorism that other moslems commit. That is not being bigoted.

 

[teddyearp]

Perhaps you aren't looking for the outcry. Google is your friend,

Perhaps you are right.

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item.
Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.

Source: Muslim attitudes towards terrorism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I will try to look for it. As well as condemnation by christians over the KKK, etc. I just don't remember hearing of KKK memebers screaming "Praise Jesus" while doing their dirty deeds like you always hear the "allah aqbar" at the top of the lungs.

 

[haissem123]

It is written right in the Koran, perfectly acceptable to lie to an infidel.

I think it's also written in the old testament. dueteronomy

 

[teddyearp]

I think it's also written in the old testament. dueteronomy

 

[haissem123]

I think it's also written in the old testament. dueteronomy

you do it you are the one on the attack so take up your defense. look in deuteronomy and see around the section just before the saving of the trees and virgins I think. were it say come and conquer them with lies and deceit and if that doesn't work besiege them and your God will grant you conquest of them.

 

[teddyearp]

you do it you are the one on the attack so take up your defense. look in deuteronomy and see around the section just before the saving of the trees and virgins I think. were it say come and conquer them with lies and deceit and if that doesn't work besiege them and your God will grant you conquest of them.

I am not the one on the attack. You made a claim. Back it up. You didn't. So shut the **** up with your lies unless you can back them up.

Same goes if I were to claim that you are a murdering, baby raping, moslem scum of the earth. It would be on me to prove it. I cannot so I do not make that claim about you.

See how that works?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Learn to read, not read into.

Learn to **** off, not **** with.

There is nothing the least bit "Islamophobic" or bigoted about asking anybody to condemn terrorism. It is the thought that Muslims should be exempted from those who should be expected to reject mass murder that is problematic here.

 

[ninja007]

islam. the religion of pieces.

 

[Coyote]

And what religion was Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hitler, and those who forced Africans into American slavery? Does Christianity produce people like that because it is so good?

No, but the rest of the Christian world stands up and very publicly and vocally condemns them. Where is the loud outcry against ISIS from the moslem world?

And Timothy McVeigh was not screaming "Praise God", nor was Hitler. The slavery issue, though reprehensible, is so not related to any topic in this thread.

Really

Learn to read, not read into.

Learn to **** off, not **** with.

I never **** with the shortbus crew.

There is nothing the least bit "Islamophobic" or bigoted about asking anybody to condemn terrorism. It is the thought that Muslims should be exempted from those who should be expected to reject mass murder that is problematic here.

Depends on what attitude is behind that demand.

The issue is not that people think Muslims should be exempted but rather, that everyone else IS exempted except Muslims who must daily and vociferously and publicly (preferably in large street clogging demonstrations) condemn and reject it (and preferably denounce their faith in the process) and, even if they have already done so, it must be endlessly repeated because idiots like you are congenitally incapable of hearing it. Hopefully that has clarified this little misunderstanding.