Sunni Man
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In these cases the woman was out alone with a man/men who are not a blood relative.
Thus she has broken the law.
The man/men are also convicted of rape and sent to prison.
Islam forbids
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Thus she has broken the law.
The man/men are also convicted of rape and sent to prison.
mystic
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I'm not Muslim, but it wasn't a very hard challenge. All I had to do is google. Try it sometime.
The Quranic verses on this are very clear. God repeats, "do not aggress", multiple times. Only if attacked, is one permitted to fight back. If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace, we are told to stop fighting.
Rules of War*
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.
[2:192] If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
[2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.
*2:190 All fighting is regulated by the basic rule in 60:8-9. Fighting is allowed strictly in self-defense, while aggression and oppression are strongly condemned throughout the Quran.
[5:87] O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.
[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[4:90] ... if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.
The Quran also reminds the submitters (muslims in Arabic) that they should not be provoked by past animosity into committing acts of aggression (5:2). Additionally, God insists that submitters (muslims) must be absolutely sure before striking in the cause of God (4:94). Anyone who offers one peace, cannot be attacked.
[4:94] O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of GOD, you shall be absolutely sure. Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer," seeking the spoils of this world. For GOD possesses infinite spoils. Remember that you used to be like them, and GOD blessed you. Therefore, you shall be absolutely sure (before you strike). GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.
So you see, Mr. Fitnah, if the Quran states that Muslims cannot aggress against anyone who is not currently attacking them, that includes by definition all non-Muslims. It even states, "Remember that you used to be like them," an obvious reference to non-Muslims. The guidelines for warfare includes the totality of the human race. If not, it would say something like, "You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. Except if they're not Muslim, then go ahead and aggress."
JenT
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Right, and as is shown over and over again, "aggression" by another country is when we reject the ways of allah. If we deny access to our children, that's being disobedient.
The Quran swings back and forth because Muhammad swung back and forth depending on whether he was being accepted or not. Same with Islam.
The only "peace" of Islam is when the world is Islam, and all unbelievers are forced to dress in a humiliating way so they are easily identified, and treated like whipping posts.
But if we open our arms and embrace Islam, we are to be treated respectfully as Muslims, but if we leave the faith, we are apostate and should be killed.
Pass <---Pardon my aggression.
Sunni Man
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Your post is a total lie JenTand you know it.
Islam is a peaceful religion and only goes to war when attacked.
Islam is a peaceful religion and only goes to war when attacked.
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Her post is correct further more ,disbelief is an act that is fitnah , something that must be destroyed and act of aggression
PWHCE Middle East Project: Definition: Shirk, Sharaka, Mushrik
Mushrikin
A mushrik (plural mushrikin or mushrikeen) is a polytheist - one who shares the exclusive attributes of Allah with those other than Allah.
Because Islam is a monotheistic religion, whose 'formula of faith' (shahada) is "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger", mushrik is almost a synonym for infidel (kaffir).
Most Sunni Muslims through the ages have been cautious about condemning their fellow Muslims for shirk. A type of action or behaviour may abstractly be described as shirk, but a traditional Muslim who calls another Muslim a mushrik is pre-empting Allah's judgement and may therefore consider himself to be guilty of shirk. (An exception may apply when a highly qualified scholar passes judgement in a particularly egregious case). However, some radical scholars, particularly those who have drawn upon the legacy of Ibn Taymiyya, have become more willing to accuse fellow Muslims of shirk.
A mushrik (plural mushrikin or mushrikeen) is a polytheist they are Az-Zâlimûn .These are the names of those who create the greatest crimes
AL-ZULM (OPPRESSION)
The Meaning of Al-Zulm in Arabic:
The word Al-Zulm (oppression) is opposite to the word Al-A'del (justice) and is derived linguistically from the word Zalama which means the following:
Injustice, Darkness, Aggression, Doing the Inappropriate and Preventing a right etc.
The Definition of Al-Zulm or Oppression In Juristic Terminology: Al-I'tidaa Ala Al-Huqouq Bedoun Wajih Shar'ie - Aggression against Rights without a Divine Permit.
Fighting the Jews and Christians is legislated because They are Idolators and Disbelievers
Allah the Exalted encourages the believers to fight the polytheists, disbelieving Jews and Christians, who uttered this terrible statement and utter lies against Allah, the Exalted. As for the Jews, they claimed that `Uzayr was the son of God, Allah is free of what they attribute to Him. As for the misguidance of Christians over `Isa, it is obvious. This is why Allah declared both groups to be liars,
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir...
1. Polytheism - Al-Shirk: Allah (swt) says: "Polytheism or Al-Shirk is great oppression" [EMQ 31:13]
3:13. And (remember) when Luqmân said to his son when he was advising him: "O my son! Join not in worship others with Allâh. Verily! Joining others in worship with Allâh is a great Zûlm (wrong) indeed
2. Disbelief - Al-Kufr: Allah (swt) says:“The Disbelievers are Oppressors" [EMQ 2:254]
2:254. O you who believe! Spend of that with which We have provided for you, before a Day comes when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession. And it is the disbelievers who are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, etc.).
He (swt) also says: "..Who does more oppression, than he who disbelieves in Allah.." [EMQ 6:21]
21. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh or rejects His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong doers, etc.) shall never be successful.
2:190.
And fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].
2:191.
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[] is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah),[] unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2:192.
But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
The Noble Quran : Surat 2
let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn
let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn
let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn
let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn
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See above post # 467
Sunni Man
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Save it Mr. Fitnuts aka: Mr. Cut & Paste
Your post is a mixed up mess and that doesn't addrees the subject as in an honest and logical manner.
To people who know very little about Islamic theology and the Quran. You may sound like a some kind of expert to gulible people.
But to a person like me who is a muslim and bases my life on the Quran.
Your posts are basically nonsense and lies.
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I willing to clarify any information anyone has including you.
Do you deny the Quran states
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
and
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
The Noble Quran
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Do you deny the Quran states
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
and
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
The Noble Quran
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Sunni Man
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Totally out of context as per your usual postings.
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Here is th elarger context.
33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad ) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.
'Abdullah bin 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with them, reported:
Allah's Messenger said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, perform the Prayer, and pay Zakah. If they do that, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
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33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad ) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.
'Abdullah bin 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with them, reported:
Allah's Messenger said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, perform the Prayer, and pay Zakah. If they do that, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
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Sunni Man
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You make up some silly terms to try and sound like you are an Islamic and Quranic expert.
Give it a rest Dude
Your twisted and out of context posts are nothing but a laugh
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Thanks,
Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”
The passage itself can be found in two places. It is on page 54 ( in my copy)of the Noble Qur’an
translation by Muhammad Khan and distributed by “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an—The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques. It is a footnote to Qur’an 2.190 and is designed to explain Jihad according to Allah as this is the first time the word is used.
And it can be found on page 580 of the Islamic University of Medina’s translation of Sahih al-Bukhari’s Hadith. There it opens Bukhari’s Book of Jihad.
In both cases, the Islamic scholars are condensing Allah’s and Muhammad’s teachings on Jihad to a single paragraph.
Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”
The passage itself can be found in two places. It is on page 54 ( in my copy)of the Noble Qur’an
translation by Muhammad Khan and distributed by “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an—The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques. It is a footnote to Qur’an 2.190 and is designed to explain Jihad according to Allah as this is the first time the word is used.
And it can be found on page 580 of the Islamic University of Medina’s translation of Sahih al-Bukhari’s Hadith. There it opens Bukhari’s Book of Jihad.
In both cases, the Islamic scholars are condensing Allah’s and Muhammad’s teachings on Jihad to a single paragraph.
JenT
God lead our troops
Sunni I know there are plenty of American muslims that want nothing but peace. I know a few very nice Muslims, in fact, I don't know a single Muslim that isn't kind. But what the religion teaches is FAR from peaceful, it's brutal and meant to dominate the world.
And as Andrew McCarthy, lead prosecutor of the blind sheik pointed out, moderate peace-loving Muslims, if asked, will point at radical Imams and say they are the ones that have the authority to proclaim Jihad and order them to fight and they will.
So even as our trembling government is estimating the damage that 10 or 20% of millions of Muslims might do (whatever estimate they throw out there as percentage of "radical" muslims) they still don't factor in what will happen if the imams mobilize the "peaceful" Muslims.
Sunni Man
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Good work with more cut & paste.
JenT
God lead our troops
I'd say that one page is worth printing and keeping.
I randomly chose one of the terms:
The Definition of Al-Zulm or Oppression in Juristic Terminology:
Al-Itidaa Ala Al=Huquoq Bedoun Wajih Sharie – Aggression against Rights without a Divine Permit.
Examples of Oppression: Sexual relationship between a man and a woman is no different to that between a husband and wife except that the former is Safaah i.e. without a marriage contract meaning that theirs is no divine permit and it is therefore aggression as far as Islam is concerned, whereas the latter is Nikkah i.e. relationship with a marriage contract and has a divine permit and is therefore submission to Allah as far as Islam is concerned..
http://www.islamic-truth.co.uk/islamicstore/pdf_files/zulm_book.pdf page 5
I think San Francisco bath houses are going to be in BIG trouble, apparently all that is aggression
I randomly chose one of the terms:
The Definition of Al-Zulm or Oppression in Juristic Terminology:
Al-Itidaa Ala Al=Huquoq Bedoun Wajih Sharie – Aggression against Rights without a Divine Permit.
Examples of Oppression: Sexual relationship between a man and a woman is no different to that between a husband and wife except that the former is Safaah i.e. without a marriage contract meaning that theirs is no divine permit and it is therefore aggression as far as Islam is concerned, whereas the latter is Nikkah i.e. relationship with a marriage contract and has a divine permit and is therefore submission to Allah as far as Islam is concerned..
http://www.islamic-truth.co.uk/islamicstore/pdf_files/zulm_book.pdf page 5
I think San Francisco bath houses are going to be in BIG trouble, apparently all that is aggression
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Because interpretations of the Qur'an and Qur'anic concepts are, like, totally uniform across the entire Islamic religion, right, jent? One person's opinion can easily be used to determine what 1.5 billion others believe, eh?
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I'm afraid you're confused. What you're describing is this:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/84271-gods-law-in-new-testament-moral-judgments.html
Islam isn't hierarchical, honey. Like most of what you have to say, that's pure bullshit.
JenT
God lead our troops
Because interpretations of the Qur'an and Qur'anic concepts are, like, totally uniform across the entire Islamic religion, right, jent? One person's opinion can easily be used to determine what 1.5 billion others believe, eh?
yeah that's probably why everyone must read it in Arabic whether they understand it or not
(on the side - Kalam should I assume you're a woman from your avatar?)
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