ISIS outdoes all other terrorist organizations when it comes to recruiting

[occupied]

If Muslims were actually raised that way we would have a much, much bigger problem on our hands.

Weren't you just telling us that european Muslims are raised/molded that way by the natives peoples of Europe?

I was telling you that idle hands are the devil workshop. Unemployment is high among the immigrants and when some recruiter tells them that the West wants to keep them segregated and impoverished there is nothing to show them otherwise.

 

[mudwhistle]

This idea that Obama likes ISIS is based on nothing except conservatives inability to distinguish the billion or so Muslims from the several thousand who are actively fighting for the so-called Islamic state.

Hey, all ISIS needs is jobs.

Maybe Obama has some of those shovelready jobs he promised so they can bury the bodies.

Look here doofus, it is a fact that so many left Europe to fight for ISIS because the various countries there have done an extremely poor job integrating them into society. They welcomed them in and then shunned them for decent education and employment. It's really too late to reverse things in the short-term but recognizing the problem and taking steps towards solving it is far better than ignoring it like you seem to be. America is very good at absorbing other cultures and that's why we do not have the same problem to the extent Europe does.

Europe decided not to let them melt into their social fabric because Muslim leaders demanded it. Sort of the way Democrats want us to go bi-lingual and not force immigrants to learn the constitution.... dickhead. Number one priority should be in order live in America you need to learn to be an American. Democrats think that's wrong. Instead they want them to hate this country, so they'll vote like liberals......like in Europe.

Learn to be an American? What is that to you?

Not sneering every time someone says it for one.....

 

[Lakhota]

The Bushes have been the best recruiters ISIS ever had.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Bushes have been the best recruiters ISIS ever had.

Obama is better.....

But let me point out that Bush hasn't been president for almost 7 years and ISIS has only been around for about a year, so explain how ISIS is Bush's fault.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You and ISIS are equally ridiculous with your war of hatred and lies.

Well said Those DAIISH terrorist scum are a cult. A cult made up,of 20,000 Charles Mansons made exponentially more potent with the development of the social media. No I am not blaming social media. The world is connected like never before. Unfortunately it connects proponents of evil to those easily drawn into a cult of evil. What's being done already is making headway. It's only political opportunism against the President that forces such unwarranted patience in how DAIISH is degraded and destroyed.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Straight A students that joined ISIS, the public school liberal indoctrination is working as intended.

Getting straight A's at a ghetto school only means so much. And I doubt they were straight A students in the second place.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

mud10815678

But let me point out that Bush hasn't been president for almost 7 years and ISIS has only been around for about a year, so explain how ISIS is Bush's fault.

Thats easy. Bush drove secular minded Sunni officers in Iraqi's Baathist Army into having no role in the Shiite majority run new government and army. They of course sided with AQI and led an insurgency against the new Shiite dominated government until Anbar warlords were fed up with AQI and they drove them to seek refuge elsewhere.

Abu Bakr Al Baghdad recruited many of them into his cult but their goal was likely to retake control of Iraq not go along with Baghdadi's cult-like apocalypse now ideology.

.
There are reportedly approximately 1000 medium and top level field commanders, who all have technical, military and security experience. Salaries range from $300 to $2000 per month depending on the job post according to Ruth Sherlock, a reporter for The Telegraph.


Source: The Telegraph

The graphic above from the British newspaper The Telegraph breaks down ISIS's corporate hierarchy. Here's some details we gathered about several members of that team.

Abu Ali al-Anbari

• Second in command according to the Wall Street Journal.
• Manages operations in Islamic State controlled parts of Syria, according to The Telegraph.
• Former Iraqi army officer under Saddam Hussein according to the Wall Street Journal.
• From the northern Iraqi province of Mosul, according to The Telegraph.

Fadel Ahmed Abdullah al-Hiyali

• Nome de guerre Abu Muslim Al Turkmani according to the Wall Street Journal.
• Former general in the Iraqi military’s intelligence, according to The Telegraph and spent time as a special forces officer.
• Decommissioned from the Iraqi army after U.S. forces arrived, he joined Sunni Muslim insurgents to fight the Americans, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Abu Salah

• Real name Muafaq Mustafa Mohammed al-Karmoush, according to The Telegraph.
• Responsible for managing the finances of various Iraqi provinces, according to The Telegraph.
• Formal general under Saddam Hussein according to the Wall Street Journal.

Adnan al-Sweidawi

• A former lieutenant colonel under Saddam Hussein who now heads the group’s military council according to the New York Times.

Adnan Ismail Najm

• Known as Abu Abdul-Rahman al-Bilawi al-Anbari, was killed in June fighting in Iraq, according to the Christian Science Monitor.
• Worked closely with the former leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, according to AP.

ISIS isn t a band of unorganized militants it s a 21st century corporate juggernaut - DecodeDC Story

Bush created a ready made military hierarchy for Baghdadi to exploit for his insane cultist ideas.

These former officers should have known their dream could not be realized because they have no chance of ever acquiring an Air Force or a navy. When they are all killed or driven back into hiding, DAIISH will start its complete demise.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

But let me point out that Bush hasn't been president for almost 7 years and ISIS has only been around for about a year, so explain how ISIS is Bush's fault.

Bush was President in 2006:

.

Isis is the successor to the group that was known as al-Qaeda in Iraq and was so brutal in its methods that it drove Sunni tribes, with help and financial incentives from the US military, to turn against it in 2006. Isis learnt a lesson. “Isis decided the solution was better military power and that it should be a harder version of al-Qaeda,” said Ms Lewis.

Selling terror how Isis details its brutality - FT.com


AQI in Iraq was formed on Bush's watch and came into being only because Bush decided to force UN inspectors out of Iraq who were peacefully and professionally searching for WMD so Bush could invade Iraq to violently search for WMD instead.That terrible inept costly decision had many godawful side effects. One of which was the creation of AQI which merely changed its name when it parted ways with Al Qaeda.

 

[mudwhistle]

mud10815678

But let me point out that Bush hasn't been president for almost 7 years and ISIS has only been around for about a year, so explain how ISIS is Bush's fault.

Thats easy. Bush drove secular minded Sunni officers in Iraqi's Baathist Army into having no role in the Shiite majority run new government and army. They of course sided with AQI and led an insurgency against the new Shiite dominated government until Anbar warlords were fed up with AQI and they drove them to seek refuge elsewhere.

Abu Bakr Al Baghdad recruited many of them into his cult but their goal was likely to retake control of Iraq not go along with Baghdadi's cult-like apocalypse now ideology.

.
There are reportedly approximately 1000 medium and top level field commanders, who all have technical, military and security experience. Salaries range from $300 to $2000 per month depending on the job post according to Ruth Sherlock, a reporter for The Telegraph.


Source: The Telegraph

The graphic above from the British newspaper The Telegraph breaks down ISIS's corporate hierarchy. Here's some details we gathered about several members of that team.

Abu Ali al-Anbari

• Second in command according to the Wall Street Journal.
• Manages operations in Islamic State controlled parts of Syria, according to The Telegraph.
• Former Iraqi army officer under Saddam Hussein according to the Wall Street Journal.
• From the northern Iraqi province of Mosul, according to The Telegraph.

Fadel Ahmed Abdullah al-Hiyali

• Nome de guerre Abu Muslim Al Turkmani according to the Wall Street Journal.
• Former general in the Iraqi military’s intelligence, according to The Telegraph and spent time as a special forces officer.
• Decommissioned from the Iraqi army after U.S. forces arrived, he joined Sunni Muslim insurgents to fight the Americans, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Abu Salah

• Real name Muafaq Mustafa Mohammed al-Karmoush, according to The Telegraph.
• Responsible for managing the finances of various Iraqi provinces, according to The Telegraph.
• Formal general under Saddam Hussein according to the Wall Street Journal.

Adnan al-Sweidawi

• A former lieutenant colonel under Saddam Hussein who now heads the group’s military council according to the New York Times.

Adnan Ismail Najm

• Known as Abu Abdul-Rahman al-Bilawi al-Anbari, was killed in June fighting in Iraq, according to the Christian Science Monitor.
• Worked closely with the former leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, according to AP.

ISIS isn t a band of unorganized militants it s a 21st century corporate juggernaut - DecodeDC Story

Bush created a ready made military hierarchy for Baghdadi to exploit for his insane cultist ideas.

These former officers should have known their dream could not be realized because they have no chance of ever acquiring an Air Force or a navy. When they are all killed or driven back into hiding, DAIISH will start its complete demise.

Bush left it up to the people of Iraq to vote in their leaders. He gave them a chance to do the right thing and they chose not to. You can't blame everything on Bush, even Obama's fucked policies.

 

[mudwhistle]

But let me point out that Bush hasn't been president for almost 7 years and ISIS has only been around for about a year, so explain how ISIS is Bush's fault.

Bush was President in 2006:

.

Isis is the successor to the group that was known as al-Qaeda in Iraq and was so brutal in its methods that it drove Sunni tribes, with help and financial incentives from the US military, to turn against it in 2006. Isis learnt a lesson. “Isis decided the solution was better military power and that it should be a harder version of al-Qaeda,” said Ms Lewis.

Selling terror how Isis details its brutality - FT.com


AQI in Iraq was formed on Bush's watch and came into being only because Bush decided to force UN inspectors out of Iraq who were peacefully and professionally searching for WMD so Bush could invade Iraq to violently search for WMD instead.That terrible inept costly decision had many godawful side effects. One of which was the creation of AQI which merely changed its name when it parted ways with Al Qaeda.

Dude, the statute of limitations runs out in the first two years of any new presidency. Obama left Iraq and armed ISIS, not Bush. I remember Obama taking credit for ending the Iraq War. Let him take credit for everything, not just what he likes. I guess it's like the way he only obeys laws he likes. So he only takes credit when he likes the results of his fucked up policies.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Dude, the statute of limitations runs out in the first two years of any new presidency.

No it doesn't, that is a stupid argument. The affects if a President's actions, specifically starting a needeless war like the one in Iraq in March 2003 have ramifications for decades when things go so wrong. Bush was wrong about WMD and booting the Inspectors out the way he did. Bush's errors are eternal. Obama said it would be a dumb war before it was dumbly started. Obama being right about that has no statute if limitations at all.

Obama ended the war to find WMD on Bush's timetable. Bush's deadline went three years into Obama's presidency. Their is no statute of limitations on treaties signet by a president. Don't be rediculous.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dude, the statute of limitations runs out in the first two years of any new presidency.

No it doesn't, that is a stupid argument. The affects if a President's actions, specifically starting a needeless war like the one in Iraq in March 2003 have ramifications for decades when things go so wrong. Bush was wrong about WMD and booting the Inspectors out the way he did. Bush's errors are eternal. Obama said it would be a dumb war before it was dumbly started. Obama being right about that has no statute if limitations at all.

Obama ended the war to find WMD on Bush's timetable. Bush's deadline went three years into Obama's presidency. Their is no statute of limitations on treaties signet by a president. Don't be rediculous.

Once again, you want to take credit when his policies pan out but when they don't you blame Bush. This is the height of dishonesty.

The status of forces agreement was the only thing Obama had to get done, and he let it lapse. Bush left it to his successor to take care of and Obama dropped the ball, the lazy **** that he is.

Libya is home to ISIS, along with a third of Syria and now Iraq. Are you going to blame Bush for Libya and Syria?

Of course.

 

[aris2chat]

Three UK girls ran away to become ISIS brides (slaves). What can they be thinking? Article states that they are straight A students. I can only wonder what they are being taught.

We can imagine what ISIS members are telling these young people. I highly doubt they are honest with any of them. If these girls knew what was in store for them, I don't believe they would run away from their homes. Just the fact that they bothered to pack bags tells me they have no idea what awaits them. They won't be needing anything in those bags. They will soon don that ghastly apparel that all Muslim women are forced to wear and learn what it's like to live as a possession to be used and abused at the will of the men.

By all accounts, ISIS can write the book when it comes to recruiting young people into their savage group. And they'll do it while the Obama administration sympathizes with them and cares about their grievances.


"It’s no secret that ISIS has been successful using social media to recruit westerners to their cause. Most recently, three high school girls from the UK left the comforts of home for the cold, hard reality of Turkey and, eventually, Syria.

The girls, aged 15-16, boarded an airplane headed for Turkey without leaving any information or a goodbye for loved ones. It is presumed that the girls went to join the estimated 550 women from around the world who have become brides for jihadi fighters."

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/02/255920-three-teenage-girls-england-simply-got-left-join-isil/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_content=ijreview&utm_campaign=Media

They have the money, the training and fighters are getting the experience they want to pick up their fight with others further down the road. ISIS are the "it" group right not. Too many are disenchanted with the ideology to say they are the "right" group

 

[Clementine]

While the Obama administration looks for excuses for ISIS other than Islam, the members of ISIS continue to state their reasons for brutally killing people. It's because the prisoners are infidels or, in this case, being influenced by infidels. As they interview people they have put in cages, the members explain to them that they will meet a horrible fate if they don't start believing in Allah. It's all about infidels rejecting their religion and anyone not firmly on their side will be executed. That is all they ever complain about. They continue to find new ways to torture people and even seem to enjoy the brutality they inflict on infidels. They might as well worship the devil considering the way they behave.

People do not turn into cold-blooded serial killers over a bad economy or loss of jobs. They were either all born with serious defects in their brains or they were raised to hate others. I would guess the latter. Radicalism runs deep in many of these countries and not much has been done by the countries to combat it. No one on the left wants to look too hard at why we have more murderous radicals calling themselves Muslims more than all other groups combined. They prefer to divert attention to things that happened decades ago and say that the radical Muslims are merely taking their chance at bat, as if this is normal or expected these days. Instead of being honest and saying there is a serious problem that doesn't appear to be fading, Obama talks about the crusades or offers up excuses why young people are willing to slaughter. Being poor would explain desperation and probably theft, but not the desire to torture people to death, and not only stomach it, but keep doing it. And they've managed to recruit a handful of other young minds full of mush to join their cause. We have some seriously misguided teens (or natural sociopaths) being lured into evil. It's like someone gave them a reason to do what they desire. Kill.

These animals deserve no mercy. They kill too easily and it appears to bring them a lot of pleasure.

"The video shows the Peshmerga being interviewed by the terrorists is in Kurdish with Arabic subtitles. Before the terrorist with the microphone goes to interview each Peshmerga, he announces:


"This a message to the Muslim Kurdish population our war isn’t with you. It’s with the secular Kuffar [infidels] because they’re leading you to hell with their kuffar and atheism.


We want to make you change, from believing in people, to believing in Allah. And still we say to you Peshmerga, leave what you do or else you’ll have the same destiny as those in cages or under the ground." "





http://www.ijreview.com/2015/02/256436-isis-terrorists-interview-soldiers-cages-hint-excruciating-death-awaits/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_content=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Terror

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Cleme 10819616

. While the Obama administration looks for excuses for ISIS other than Islam, the members of ISIS continue to state their reasons for brutally killing people

And you take the word of ruthless diabolical killers over the word of the President of the United States of America. You are the one deciding who to give credibility to. Why has your ability to use sound judgment faded away from your skill sets?

And Obama is not making excuses for DAIISH terrorist scum. In fact he has made the opposite argument that there is no excuse for their terrorist acts and he has ordered that any one of them pops up in the open or reliable targets arrive he puts them to death instantly. 8000 so far just in Syria and Iraq.

Your right wing narrative is dying a much slower death but it is dying.