Zone1 Is this in any way kinda "anti-semitic"?

[Mortimer]

Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

"is this kinda anti-semitic because jews are cut off from the tree, and god creates children of abraham from the stones, not jews"? Or it is not anti-semitic at all?

 

[Ace Nova]

Not sure how you came to your conclusion but to answer your question - no.

Matthew3:

John the Baptist Preaches and Baptizes.[a]1 In those days, John the Baptist[b] appeared in the desert of Judea, preaching: 2 “Repent,[c] for the kingdom of heaven is close at hand.” This was the man of whom the prophet Isaiah spoke when he said:

3 “The voice of one crying out in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.’ ”[d]
4 John’s clothing was made of camel’s hair, with a leather loincloth around his waist, and his food consisted of locusts and wild honey.[e] 5 The people of Jerusalem and the whole of Judea and the entire region along the Jordan went out to him, 6 and as they confessed their sins they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

7 [f]But when he observed many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Produce good fruit as proof of your repentance. 9 Do not presume to say to yourselves: ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones. 10 Even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore, every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 [g]“I baptize you with water for repentance, but the one who is coming after me is more powerful than I am. I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fan is in his hand. He will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”[h]


Saint John The Baptist was simply reminding the Pharisees and the Sadducees that God is the one "who warned them of the upcoming wrath". That God is the God of Abraham and it is God that can make "Children for Abraham" out of the Earth (Stones). And that they shouldn't use Abraham's name as some sort of "shield" that protects them from not doing what they should do:

8 Produce good fruit as proof of your repentance. 9 Do not presume to say to yourselves: ‘We have Abraham as our father.’

 

[Mortimer]

Not sure how you came to your conclusion but to answer your question - no.

I didnt came yet to any conclusion, just asked.

 

[luiza]

I didnt came yet to any conclusion, just asked.

It's the same old Space Alien worshipper garbage, Morticia .

The Jewish Sheeple tried to use their vocabulary to describe events that were beyond them to understand .

How would you describe a bright UAP landing on a mountain top some 2000 plus years ago ? Like a burning bush ?

Or, to a laboratory supremo putting the finishing touches to his DNA experimental patients ?
The Garden of Eden where the original word used as "garden" is a mistranslation .

 

[SaxonJackson]

When it's all said and done ... there are two choices:

1) Accept Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior; the Son of God; and God in the flesh; and to believe in Him through faith.
2) Reject Jesus Christ and face the dire, eternal consequences of such a poor decision.

When Christ walked the earth and preached His Gospel message, most of the recipients of that message were Israelites, with a few exceptions. Here's one of His most important messages:

John 3:16-18, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

If you adhere to the religion of Judaism (modern Pharisaism), you will probably consider the words above to be “anti-Semitic.”

 

[Lisa558]

Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

"is this kinda anti-semitic because jews are cut off from the tree, and god creates children of abraham from the stones, not jews"? Or it is not anti-semitic at all?

There is a lot in the New Testament that demonizes Jews. They call us hypocrites who worship in the synagogue, the children of Satan, and so forth.

The worst of it is in the last testament. By then, the Jews who converted to Christianity, or the ones born to the converts, were so angry that the stubborn Jews wouldn’t abandon their religion that they really Ler loose on them.

I can see how anyone who believes in the NT would have anger or contempt for Jews,

 

[Mortimer]

There is a lot in the New Testament that demonizes Jews. They call us hypocrites who worship in the synagogue, the children of Satan, and so forth.

The worst of it is in the last testament. By then, the Jews who converted to Christianity, or the ones born to the converts, were so angry that the stubborn Jews wouldn’t abandon their religion that they really Ler loose on them.

I can see how anyone who believes in the NT would have anger or contempt for Jews,

Im a bit provocing though and inwardly smiling a bit because i stirred shit up and said anti semite while you are correct yourself im sure you can believe in the new testament and not be a anti semite im not a anti semite

 

[Lisa558]

Im a bit provocing though and inwardly smiling a bit because i stirred shit up and said anti semite while you are correct yourself im sure you can believe in the new testament and not be a anti semite im not a anti semite

But then do you believe Jews are the chikdren of Satan and Gd will doom them to hell?

 

[Ace Nova]

It's the same old Space Alien worshipper garbage, Morticia .

The Jewish Sheeple tried to use their vocabulary to describe events that were beyond them to understand .

How would you describe a bright UAP landing on a mountain top some 2000 plus years ago ? Like a burning bush ?

Or, to a laboratory supremo putting the finishing touches to his DNA experimental patients ?
The Garden of Eden where the original word used as "garden" is a mistranslation .

I guess that's one way to look at it if you get the majority of your knowledge of Ancient religions, civilizations, customs, etc from the show,"Ancient Aliens". I think those shows are entertaining and can provoke thought, discussions, debates etc - but I certainly wouldn't use them as a primary source of information.

You call Ancient civilizations "sheeple" because they described events that "were beyond them to understand". If they were "sheeple" then what are we? - 3000 years later, with nearly infinite access to knowledge, information, technology etc - and yet we STILL describe events that are beyond our understanding with our "limited" vocabulary - whether through science or philosophy.

The scientific method is based on observations - it is only recently that science is acknowledging that science is capable of expanding its methods/theories (through mathematics, etc) to include "non-observable" celestial objects, dark matter, dark energy. other dimensions etc.

And yet these "non observable" objects have been a part of ancient religions for thousands of years. And you call them "sheeple"? Seems like whatever was the "source" of their information knew and understood things that have been regarded as "fantasy/science fiction" by scientists and atheists alike for thousands of years.

 

[Mortimer]

But then do you believe Jews are the chikdren of Satan and Gd will doom them to hell?

I do not believe that im a liberal Christian i believe what pope francis recently told a few buddhists that many religions are paths to the same God eventhough many other Christians would disagree

 

[Lisa558]

I do not believe that im a liberal Christian i believe what pope francis recently told a few buddhists that many religions are paths to the same God eventhough many other Christians would disagree

Yes, that’s what Judaism teaches as well: many paths to Gd.

 

[luiza]

if you get the majority of your knowledge of Ancient religions, civilizations, customs, etc from the show,"Ancient Aliens". I think those shows are entertaining and can provoke thought, discussions, debates etc - but I certainly wouldn't use them as a primary source of information.

You call Ancient civilizations "sheeple" because they described events that "were beyond them to understand".

Much more than that, and the same for the series producers and main cast , because they have to compress a library of sources and data into episodes .
For the Sheeple !!!

Ca. 95% of all groups of our species are Sheeple regardless of location and time, and measured primarily in terms of IQ and Gullibility. IQ less than 120 etc
But it is not the Sheeple who are the authors of our oldest records -- more likely the equivalent of the methodical and our wisest including Shaman like individuals .

As scientists themselves are slowly determing , knowledge does not just come via the scientific process . The role of intuition and Consciousness is as valid particularly to those who contend that it is Consciousness itself that evolves into matter , albeit only in certain circumstances .

Yes, I am one of those that has been convinced by the evidence that we have been visited and that sorts of involvement occurred . More than once .
Naturally it is a probability judgement which I place very close to 100% .

 

[luiza]

When it's all said and done ... there are two choices:

Absolutely .

But we are surely more interested in the reasons that make people take a decision, or the circumstances that lead them to a "forced" choice .

 

[BreezeWood]

Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

"is this kinda anti-semitic because jews are cut off from the tree, and god creates children of abraham from the stones, not jews"? Or it is not anti-semitic at all?

the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism their false commandments, moses, hereditary idolatry, abraham et al. and is not the smoke screen of christianity, jewish messiah or jewish claims jesus and those others were persecuted by rome - but by the false, tribal religion of judaism.

antisemitism is not necessarily a religious connotation but the underlying motivations that led to the execution of the 1st century heavenly martyrs.

 

[Mortimer]

Yes, that’s what Judaism teaches as well: many paths to Gd.

Thats great im a big fan of "noahidism" since i cannot be a jew, because im not born one, but every human being can be a noahide.

 

[rosends]

Thats great im a big fan of "noahidism" since i cannot be a jew, because im not born one, but every human being can be a noahide.

Judaism allows converts.

 

[luiza]

Judaism allows converts.

And huge blunders and deliberate misdirection .
Such a jolly little Cult Club

 

[Lisa558]

Thats great im a big fan of "noahidism" since i cannot be a jew, because im not born one, but every human being can be a noahide.

Thanks. It’s so much better when a religion teaches that EVERYONE has a path to Gd than one that teaches that unless you follow their particular beliefs, you’re going to Hell. IMO.

 

[rosends]

And huge blunders and deliberate misdirection .
Such a jolly little Cult Club

thank you for adding in your irrelevancies.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn uup the chaff with unquenchable fire.

"is this kinda anti-semitic because jews are cut off from the tree, and god creates children of abraham from the stones, not jews"? Or it is not anti-semitic at all?

Your interpretation is antisemitic. He's not saying what you think he's saying