Is there some rule about gay subjects here?

[Annie]

Yeah, well, as we all know, most liberals don't know how to think.

Unfortunately that holds for some conservatives also.

 

[Nuc]

It is about Lesbians eating pussy. It's gross and it's disgusting, and I'm sick and tired of the gay rights lobby and their liberal defenders telling me I'm a "bigot" and a "homophobe" for saying so.

If women eating each other's pussies is so gross and disgusting why is it one of the main staples of every men's magazine that sells to straight men?

 

[Dr Grump]

It is about Lesbians eating pussy. It's gross and it's disgusting, and I'm sick and tired of the gay rights lobby and their liberal defenders telling me I'm a "bigot" and a "homophobe" for saying so.

What a load of absolute bollocks. I know a few homos. They don't discuss their sex life and are not interested in discussing it in explicit detail, shape of form. There are militant homos around, and due to their actions, get all the press. And like a lemming you treat them as the norm, but even the militant ones don't spout on about their sex lives. Neither to the out of the closet celebs like Rosie O'Donell, Rupert Everett or Ellen Degeneres. I find smoking disgusting, and people picking their noses, and if somebody does the former in my vicinity it affects me directly, and if the latter does the same and I don't turn away, I see it. I have never seen a gay person have sex, and I have heard the odd one talk about it, but in no extra ordinary way that a straight person has joked about it, or talked about it. If you are against overt sexual behaviour, then fine, but if you are do not like gay people due purely to their sexual orientation you ARE a bigot and a homophobe. You may be "sick and tired" of it, but it pales in comparison how sick and tired they probably are of you and your likes trying to run their lives.

 

[nt250]

Unfortunately that holds for some conservatives also.

It holds true for everybody. Most people, on average, are stupid.

But, gee, there are a lot more stupid liberals than there are stupid conservatives.

 

[nt250]

What a load of absolute bollocks. I know a few homos. They don't discuss their sex life and are not interested in discussing it in explicit detail, shape of form. There are militant homos around, and due to their actions, get all the press. And like a lemming you treat them as the norm, but even the militant ones don't spout on about their sex lives. Neither to the out of the closet celebs like Rosie O'Donell, Rupert Everett or Ellen Degeneres. I find smoking disgusting, and people picking their noses, and if somebody does the former in my vicinity it affects me directly, and if the latter does the same and I don't turn away, I see it. I have never seen a gay person have sex, and I have heard the odd one talk about it, but in no extra ordinary way that a straight person has joked about it, or talked about it. If you are against overt sexual behaviour, then fine, but if you are do not like gay people due purely to their sexual orientation you ARE a bigot and a homophobe. You may be "sick and tired" of it, but it pales in comparison how sick and tired they probably are of you and your likes trying to run their lives.

Um, Grump? Ever been to a Gay Pride Parade?

I don't like the BEHAVIOR. That's the difference. And you may want to hang out with people who pick their nose and eat it, but I don't. And I should have the right to judge people based on their behavior.

I'd be very happy if gay people stopped trying to run MY life and tell ME how to raise my kid. If you want to read Heather Has Two Mommies to your 6 year old, that's your business.

 

[Nuc]

Um, Grump? Ever been to a Gay Pride Parade?

Ever been to a fundamentalist religious meeting? People fainting, drooling screaming, babbling. But you can't extrapolate that to say all Christians are like that. For that matter have you ever been to a football game. People get out of control there too. A rock concert? Grow up.

 

[Dr Grump]

Um, Grump? Ever been to a Gay Pride Parade?

I don't like the BEHAVIOR. That's the difference. And you may want to hang out with people who pick their nose and eat it, but I don't. And I should have the right to judge people based on their behavior.

I'd be very happy if gay people stopped trying to run MY life and tell ME how to raise my kid. If you want to read Heather Has Two Mommies to your 6 year old, that's your business.

I have seen a gay parade, and I agree with you. In fact our Christian mayor tried to stop it, and although I disagree with him on almost everything, I found the over-the-top sexual behaviour gross. Why should homos get a free pass with such overt sexual behaviour? They shouldn't. As for their behaviour, if you read my post you will see what I said about their "overt sexual behaviour". There were caveats in there.

 

[Dr Grump]

Ever been to a fundamentalist religious meeting? People fainting, drooling screaming, babbling. But you can't extrapolate that to say all Christians are like that. For that matter have you ever been to a football game. People get out of control there too. A rock concert? Grow up.

I have no problems with gay parades per se, but I think NT and I are talking about similar ones. The one I'm talking about included topless post-op transexuals in g-strings gyrating against each other on a float. There were a few other similar floats. My four and six year olds, if they happened to be walkign down the street at that time, should not have to see that...but, I agree with you re "straight" public events.

 

[dilloduck]

If women eating each other's pussies is so gross and disgusting why is it one of the main staples of every men's magazine that sells to straight men?

Lesbos get a free pass.

 

[Annie]

If women eating each other's pussies is so gross and disgusting why is it one of the main staples of every men's magazine that sells to straight men?

Notice how this never comes up? Always p***** and a***

 

[nt250]

If women eating each other's pussies is so gross and disgusting why is it one of the main staples of every men's magazine that sells to straight men?

I don't know, ask a man.

And how do you know what the main staple of mens porn magazines is?

I used to hang out in this dive bar back in my younger days. Next to it was a very popular gay mens bar. On the second floor of that building was a porn shop. It wasn't a retail store, it was like a publishing house. The man who owned the business used to come into the bar a lot. He invited a bunch of us girls from the bar over one night so we could see his shop.

It was really something. It was bright and clean and very well lit. Along two whole walls was the next edition of his magazine. It was a magazine of personal ads. Kind of like those car classified magazines you see. Except instead of cars, it was all pictures of naked people and their bios.

It was very bizarre. A lot of the pictures had the faces blacked out, but the people were buck naked. Some of them were engaged in sex acts. I didn't see same sex pictures that night. They were all of men and women. But there were a lot of them. I'm talking about one wall that was maybe 25 feet long, and another wall that was about 50 feet long. Three shelves high. All full of the naked pictures people paid this man to publish in his magazine. He said when that edition was done he would sell each one for $9 a piece. The man was a millionaire many times over.

There are a lot of strange people in this world. A lot of weirdos and wackos. The difference between hetrosexuals and homosexuals, is that I'm allowed to judge the abnormal behavior of hetrosexuals. Like taking a picture of yourself naked and sending it to a porn magazine. But I'm not allowed to judge the abnornal behavior of homosexuals. No matter what they do.

 

[Nuc]

Lesbos get a free pass.

I'm not talking about porn. Even relatively tame mags like Playboy, Penthouse, Maxim, FHM, etc. thrive on pictures of cheerleaders having "gay" sex, twin sisters and so on. I doubt that many of these models are actually gay in private life, they're just making a buck. And they make that buck because straight men like to look at it.

As a matter of fact I would be willing to bet that some of our most homophobic, gay bashing members here also look at that stuff.

OCA, Pale Rider, do you guys ever look at those magazines?

 

[Nuc]

I don't know, ask a man.

And how do you know what the main staple of mens porn magazines is?

Because I am a man and I look at those magazines. Mainstream men's magazines, not porn.

Do you remember a few years back when Miller Beer had a commercial showing a couple of buxum beauties tearing each other's clothes off? That's the same motif.

 

[Annie]

Because I am a man and I look at those magazines. Mainstream men's magazines, not porn.

Do you remember a few years back when Miller Beer had a commercial showing a couple of buxum beauties tearing each other's clothes off? That's the same motif.

 

[nt250]

I'm not talking about porn. Even relatively tame mags like Playboy, Penthouse, Maxim, FHM, etc. thrive on pictures of cheerleaders having "gay" sex, twin sisters and so on. I doubt that many of these models are actually gay in private life, they're just making a buck. And they make that buck because straight men like to look at it.

As a matter of fact I would be willing to bet that some of our most homophobic, gay bashing members here also look at that stuff.

OCA, Pale Rider, do you guys ever look at those magazines?

Who's business is that? What people do in the privacy of their own home is nobody elses business.

If the gay rights lobby had left it that I wouldn't have a problem with it all. But they couldn't leave it at that because every gain they've made has emboldened them to keep pushing for more.

I don't even care about gay adoption or gay marriage. We've seen enough of the sickos who have abused and killed kids they've adopted to use the fact that someone is gay as the sole reason to prevent a kid who needs a safe home from having one. And as far as I'm concerned, if gays want to get married, let them. I see no reason why they shouldn't be just as miserable as the rest of the population.

But if gay marriage is allowed, each spouse should have to designate which one is the "wife" and which one is the "husband" so that when they get divorced the "husband" gets just as screwed over as a hetro husband would.

But when the gay rights lobby went after the Boy Scouts, and when they went into the schools, they crossed a line.

The bottom line is that I should have the right to judge people based on behavior I don't like. And I don't have that right when it comes to gay people.

 

[nt250]

Because I am a man and I look at those magazines. Mainstream men's magazines, not porn.

Do you remember a few years back when Miller Beer had a commercial showing a couple of buxum beauties tearing each other's clothes off? That's the same motif.

No, I don't watch sports.

It is weird how Lesbians are viewed differently than gay men. Probably why they insist of being referred to seperately. It's always "gay men and Lesbians".

Most Lesbians I've known are bi-sexual. Being a Lesbian is like being a vegetarian, or an animal rights activist. It's a cause. I once had a Lesbian come up to me in the bar and ask me if the sweater I was wearing was angora. She wasn't trying to hit on me. I knew her from work so she was just asking about my sweater. She started to say something about cats and I just cut her off. I knew where she was going and I didn't feel like getting into a discussion about where angora comes from.

I like cats but I really didn't care if my sweater was made from dead ones or not.

 

[Gunny]

Ever been to a fundamentalist religious meeting? People fainting, drooling screaming, babbling. But you can't extrapolate that to say all Christians are like that. For that matter have you ever been to a football game. People get out of control there too. A rock concert? Grow up.

Bad analogy. Fundamental religious meetings, football games and/or rock concerts are held in controlled environments where the most part, teh general public is not exposed to their respective behaviors.

A gay pride parade down Main Street USA is exposed to whoever happens to stumble across it trying to cross or conduct business on Main Street.

 

[nt250]

Bad analogy. Fundamental religious meetings, football games and/or rock concerts are held in controlled environments where the most part, teh general public is not exposed to their respective behaviors.

A gay pride parade down Main Street USA is exposed to whoever happens to stumble across it trying to cross or conduct business on Main Street.

There is also a big difference between getting drunk and making a fool of yourself at a rock concert, and seeing a 6'2" hairy guy in a pink tutu giving a hand job to his boyfriend.

 

[Nuc]

There is also a big difference between getting drunk and making a fool of yourself at a rock concert, and seeing a 6'2" hairy guy in a pink tutu giving a hand job to his boyfriend.

Did you see that?

 

[nt250]

Did you see that?

I saw worse than that but Kathianne asked me to keep this to an R rating.