Is the Democratic Party waking up?

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Politics don't make me emotional.
Lol mac voted for H Clinton. Apparently decency and "moderation" is huge corruption, waging war against countries for no fucking reason and masturbating to the death of innocent civilians. And calling half the american voting block deplorable.
What a moron.
Nice Trumpian response there.

Cool.
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Ah... but excluding calling you a moron, is he wrong?
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
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Of course you do. You can't POSSIBLY see why a kid working two minimum jobs to pay off his college debt would POSSIBLY support Bernie other than a "psychotic reaction" to Trump.
We see exactly WHY. People who aren't making it want someone who has to support them. They want a handout. They want to steal from people who are making money. It is very simple. When the electorate figures out they can vote themselves money, the country is finished. Ignorant folks like you are falling for the "free" lies.
 
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Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.

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Some of them may be waking up from their 4 year binge. Seemingly, with a bountiful hangover. Those that had their beer goggles on and are currently accessing what is lying next to them in bed and they don't like what they see. Those that climbed into the bed with them are coming to the same conclusion.

LMAO. This is some of the best entertainment I've seen since the Tea Party.

I hope our duopoly blows up and results in five or six parties. (-"Everything starts as someone's daydream" - Niven)
At least three strong parties would be nice.

Seems to me the question is whether the more sane elements of the party still have enough juice to really matter. That's debatable, unknown.
 

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Of course you do. You can't POSSIBLY see why a kid working two minimum jobs to pay off his college debt would POSSIBLY support Bernie other than a "psychotic reaction" to Trump.
We see exactly WHY. People who aren't making it want someone who has to support them. They want a handout. They want to steal from people who are making money. It is very simply. When the electorate figures our they can vote themselves money, the country is finished. Ignorant folks like you are falling for the "free" lies.
Who exactly is working for the billions and billions the Fed is pumping into Wall Street?
 

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The "establishment portion of the Democratic wing" is no different than the "establishment portion of the Republican wing".

People are tired of one party rule. When you have Democrats saying they are afraid of things like making sure everyone can affordably access health care it's about time to start breaking things.
You misspelled "forcing other people to pay for peoples healthcare"
Is that how you define Medicare? People seem to really like that program.
LOL bernies plan for UH seems a bit different than Medicare.
 

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The "establishment portion of the Democratic wing" is no different than the "establishment portion of the Republican wing".

People are tired of one party rule. When you have Democrats saying they are afraid of things like making sure everyone can affordably access health care it's about time to start breaking things.
You misspelled "forcing other people to pay for peoples healthcare"
Is that how you define Medicare? People seem to really like that program.
LOL bernies plan for UH seems a bit different than Medicare.
LOL, you obviously have no idea what his plan states. Besides, that was only a portion of my point.
 

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Lol mac voted for H Clinton. Apparently decency and "moderation" is huge corruption, waging war against countries for no fucking reason and masturbating to the death of innocent civilians. And calling half the american voting block deplorable.
What a moron.
Nice Trumpian response there.

Cool.
.
Ah... but excluding calling you a moron, is he wrong?
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
.
I defended some dems and blasted others. You just dont want a part of it. You ALWAYS want to run when you dont have a position.
You are an intellectual coward.
 

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Ya actually started with Its trumps fault the dems are so over the top

From the diplomad
End of a diddy's about sniffy

That will leave the Democrats with an avowed Marxist, or what we Cold War veterans would call a Communist, a completely fake gay white version of the fake black Obama, a couple of lesser lights who have managed to keep their "accomplishments" well hidden from view, and a fabulously wealthy fraud who is financing his own campaign and repudiating his accomplishments as mayor of New York to gain the favor of the "woke" crowd.

The DiploMad 2.0: Corruptocrat Joe Shuffles to the Door . . .
Mac wasn't concerned that OBAMA wouldn't be too far over the top, but let Trump talk about restoring America's #1 position greatness and excellence, and it was just too much for Mac and the democrats?
I can understand you don't see anything unusual about Trump and his behaviors. I get it. To you, the cartoonish hyperbole, constant personal attacks and general instability are perfectly normal.

But for the majority, they are indeed unusual (even some Trumpsters have the balls to admit it), and the point is that the response from the hard Left would be similar.
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I guess it's all about money and lies and no matter what.
 

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Of course you do. You can't POSSIBLY see why a kid working two minimum jobs to pay off his college debt would POSSIBLY support Bernie other than a "psychotic reaction" to Trump.
We see exactly WHY. People who aren't making it want someone who has to support them. They want a handout. They want to steal from people who are making money. It is very simply. When the electorate figures our they can vote themselves money, the country is finished. Ignorant folks like you are falling for the "free" lies.
Who exactly is working for the billions and billions the Fed is pumping into Wall Street?
You don't believe people should be able to earn money in the market? I think you know where the money comes from...taxpayers. Those with money in the market and pensions certainly benefit. Those same people start businesses and hire people, who in turn invest in 401(k)s and IRAs and then have money in the market as well.

By percentage, wages are up for lower wage earners more than for higher wage earners. Just because some higher wage earners may be making money in the markets as well, doesn't negate the fact that lower income folks are doing better under Trump than under Obama. The MSM simply lies and fools the masses. It doesn't take much but a smooth talker to trick ignorant Democratic voters.

Elect a Socialist and watch how fast our entire economy, rich and poor, suffer.

The indoctrination of our children is coming to fruition. Them, along with left over hippies from the 60's will be our downfall.
 
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Politics don't make me emotional.
Lol mac voted for H Clinton. Apparently decency and "moderation" is huge corruption, waging war against countries for no fucking reason and masturbating to the death of innocent civilians. And calling half the american voting block deplorable.
What a moron.
Nice Trumpian response there.

Cool.
.
Ah... but excluding calling you a moron, is he wrong?
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
.
I defended some dems and blasted others. You just dont want a part of it. You ALWAYS want to run when you dont have a position.
You are an intellectual coward.
Nutters bore me. Sorry.
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Of course you do. You can't POSSIBLY see why a kid working two minimum jobs to pay off his college debt would POSSIBLY support Bernie other than a "psychotic reaction" to Trump.
We see exactly WHY. People who aren't making it want someone who has to support them. They want a handout. They want to steal from people who are making money. It is very simply. When the electorate figures our they can vote themselves money, the country is finished. Ignorant folks like you are falling for the "free" lies.
Who exactly is working for the billions and billions the Fed is pumping into Wall Street?
You don't believe people should be able to earn money in the market?
How is this money earned? It's not earned, it's simply created out of nothing. No one is working for his money.
 
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Politics don't make me emotional.
Ya actually started with Its trumps fault the dems are so over the top

From the diplomad
End of a diddy's about sniffy

That will leave the Democrats with an avowed Marxist, or what we Cold War veterans would call a Communist, a completely fake gay white version of the fake black Obama, a couple of lesser lights who have managed to keep their "accomplishments" well hidden from view, and a fabulously wealthy fraud who is financing his own campaign and repudiating his accomplishments as mayor of New York to gain the favor of the "woke" crowd.

The DiploMad 2.0: Corruptocrat Joe Shuffles to the Door . . .
Mac wasn't concerned that OBAMA wouldn't be too far over the top, but let Trump talk about restoring America's #1 position greatness and excellence, and it was just too much for Mac and the democrats?
I can understand you don't see anything unusual about Trump and his behaviors. I get it. To you, the cartoonish hyperbole, constant personal attacks and general instability are perfectly normal.

But for the majority, they are indeed unusual (even some Trumpsters have the balls to admit it), and the point is that the response from the hard Left would be similar.
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I guess it's all about money and lies and no matter what.
Can't argue. Such is contemporary American politics.
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The "establishment portion of the Democratic wing" is no different than the "establishment portion of the Republican wing".

People are tired of one party rule. When you have Democrats saying they are afraid of things like making sure everyone can affordably access health care it's about time to start breaking things.
You misspelled "forcing other people to pay for peoples healthcare"
Is that how you define Medicare? People seem to really like that program.
LOL bernies plan for UH seems a bit different than Medicare.
LOL, you obviously have no idea what his plan states. Besides, that was only a portion of my point.
You mean he hasnt stated he is going to raise taxes on other people to pay for it?
Are you calling him a liar? :lol:
 

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The "establishment portion of the Democratic wing" is no different than the "establishment portion of the Republican wing".

People are tired of one party rule. When you have Democrats saying they are afraid of things like making sure everyone can affordably access health care it's about time to start breaking things.
You misspelled "forcing other people to pay for peoples healthcare"
Is that how you define Medicare? People seem to really like that program.
LOL bernies plan for UH seems a bit different than Medicare.
LOL, you obviously have no idea what his plan states. Besides, that was only a portion of my point.
You mean he hasnt stated he is going to raise taxes on other people to pay for it?
Are you calling him a liar? :lol:
Is that not what Medicaid did?
 

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Lol mac voted for H Clinton. Apparently decency and "moderation" is huge corruption, waging war against countries for no fucking reason and masturbating to the death of innocent civilians. And calling half the american voting block deplorable.
What a moron.
Nice Trumpian response there.

Cool.
.
Ah... but excluding calling you a moron, is he wrong?
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
.
I defended some dems and blasted others. You just dont want a part of it. You ALWAYS want to run when you dont have a position.
You are an intellectual coward.
Nutters bore me. Sorry.
.
OMG you voted for Clinton. You obviously have the same amount of awareness as Trump.
You guys should go golfing. You have a lot in common.
Let me ask you, oh great one. What makes me a "nutter?"
 
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Politics don't make me emotional.
Nice Trumpian response there.

Cool.
.
Ah... but excluding calling you a moron, is he wrong?
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
.
I defended some dems and blasted others. You just dont want a part of it. You ALWAYS want to run when you dont have a position.
You are an intellectual coward.
Nutters bore me. Sorry.
.
OMG you voted for Clinton. You obviously have the same amount of awareness as Trump.
You guys should go golfing. You have a lot in common.
Let me ask you, oh great one. What makes me a "nutter?"
Your behaviors. Your words.

Your approval here is not required.
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You misspelled "forcing other people to pay for peoples healthcare"
Is that how you define Medicare? People seem to really like that program.
LOL bernies plan for UH seems a bit different than Medicare.
LOL, you obviously have no idea what his plan states. Besides, that was only a portion of my point.
You mean he hasnt stated he is going to raise taxes on other people to pay for it?
Are you calling him a liar? :lol:
Is that not what Medicaid did?
As far as i know, until the ACA, there were no extra taxes on the rich. It was a flat rate for everyone that WORKED.
 

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Ah... but excluding calling you a moron, is he wrong?
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
.
I defended some dems and blasted others. You just dont want a part of it. You ALWAYS want to run when you dont have a position.
You are an intellectual coward.
Nutters bore me. Sorry.
.
OMG you voted for Clinton. You obviously have the same amount of awareness as Trump.
You guys should go golfing. You have a lot in common.
Let me ask you, oh great one. What makes me a "nutter?"
Your behaviors. Your words.

Your approval here is not required.
.
You are a fucking joke. Good day dumbfuck.
 
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Politics don't make me emotional.
He's spouting standard, one-sided partisan talking points.

Boring. Not interested.
.
I defended some dems and blasted others. You just dont want a part of it. You ALWAYS want to run when you dont have a position.
You are an intellectual coward.
Nutters bore me. Sorry.
.
OMG you voted for Clinton. You obviously have the same amount of awareness as Trump.
You guys should go golfing. You have a lot in common.
Let me ask you, oh great one. What makes me a "nutter?"
Your behaviors. Your words.

Your approval here is not required.
.
You are a fucking joke. Good day dumbfuck.
And good day to you!
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I guess it's all about money and lies and no matter what.
Can't argue. Such is contemporary American politics.
See, Mac, having dismissed Sanders and Warren as "whacko crop", you end up not recognizing their vastly different stances on exactly the issue presented here. Missing crucial differences is a telltale sign of an "all-the-same" dullard with no clue. Compounding that, you start screeching "wacko" as soon as someone proposes to change things being all about money, and even more money for those who are already sitting on mountains thereof.

"Whacko". Why don't you wake the eff up from your intellectual slumber? It's about time...
 

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