Is Russia capable of attacking Germany or any other western European nation with conventional and/or nuclear forces?

[Delldude]

In many ways, Russia remains a third-world country. Other than lacquer boxes, have you ever bought anything made in Russia? Didn't think so. Everything that they manufacture is shit. Half of the tanks they brought into Ukraine broke down and were abandoned, now providing a large source of tanks for Ukraine, which changes the markings, fixes them, and uses them against the Russians.

Putin would be foolish to even try to use nuclear weapons because they would likely fail, spectacularly. Explode on the launchpad, or equivalent. The reason why they have more warheads is because they know this. They would have to launch 8 warheads in order to hope that one of them actually found its target and exploded.

Undoubtedly, there is some NATO action that would trigger Putin to do something foolish, but "we" haven't reached that threshold yet. I can't believe no one has taken him out yet. Seldom has there been an international crisis of this magnitude where one person is the entire cause, and this fact is universally known and accepted. And yet, there he sits.

Putin used up his newer tanks which were no match for our Javelin missiles. Now he's pulling old T-62's out of storage. His tank problem, among others, is a direct result of the sanctions that have been imposed over the years. The west has hurt him. This war isn't about Ukraine, it's about hurting Putin....
As Lloyd Austin put it:

"We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine."

So this is US policy against Russia using the sons and daughters of Ukraine as pawns for our end.

 

[JohnDB]

Putin used up his newer tanks which were no match for our Javelin missiles. Now he's pulling old T-62's out of storage. His tank problem, among others, is a direct result of the sanctions that have been imposed over the years. The west has hurt him. This war isn't about Ukraine, it's about hurting Putin....
As Lloyd Austin put it:

"We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine."

So this is US policy against Russia using the sons and daughters of Ukraine as pawns for our end.

Putin's newer Equipment and Tanks are on backorder. (Can't be mass produced and material sourcing is difficult with sanctions)

But he has lots of old stuff lying around....stuff from 1970's & 80's.

So that's what the soldiers get to use.

And he gets to figure out if the new stuff is really worth the cost of producing.

Currently he is retrofitting a bunch of tanks with a different type of weaponry that is more effective than having a artillery main gun. Same chassis and engine but with a couple grenade launchers and a 90 cal machine gun that cuts through the forests and buildings. (Excuse my lack of accurate descriptions....I was never military or fanatic....but I do find the strategies interesting)

 

[watchingfromafar]

So this is US policy against Russia using the sons and daughters of Ukraine as pawns for our end.

Putin’s actions haves nothing to do with the USA. Putin wants to return the great Soviet Union it once was.
His wet dream is costing thousands of lives and in the end Putie will lose. Then his own people will turn against him. In the end one of Puties generals will put a bullet through his head.
as I see it anyway -

 

[Delldude]

Putin’s actions haves nothing to do with the USA. Putin wants to return the great Soviet Union it once was.
His wet dream is costing thousands of lives and in the end Putie will lose. Then his own people will turn against him. In the end one of Puties generals will put a bullet through his head.
as I see it anyway -

How long has the US been pushing for and getting sanctions?
Then there was the US inspired overthrown in 2014......and tickling the bears tail with the NATO stick.
US has had a hardon for Russia and Putin for as long as Putin has been in charge. Those areas he has taken were in constant war with Russia.
This is all about hurting Putin for US interests at the cost of Ukrainian lives.

 

[Jarlaxle]

In many ways, Russia remains a third-world country. Other than lacquer boxes, have you ever bought anything made in Russia?

Yes. Off the top of my head, the spark plugs in my previous car were made in Russia.

 

[José]

Originally posted by DGS49
Seldom has there been an international crisis of this magnitude where one person is the entire cause, and this fact is universally known and accepted. And yet, there he sits.

Putin is the only cause of the War in Ukraine inside the rotten brain of super patriotic american clowns who think it's the most natural thing to surround other nations with military bases but shit a brick when others do the same in the Caribbean or Central America.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Putin is the only cause of the War in Ukraine inside the rotten brain of super patriotic american clowns who think it's the most natural thing to surround other nations with military bases but shit a brick when others do the same in the Caribbean or Central America.

No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it doesn't become any less stupid. What you are saying is that Russia has the right to demand neighboring countries make economic and security decisions that benefit Russia rather than themselves and if they refuse Russia has the right to invade, kill the people and take over the country.

 

[José]

Originally posted by toomuchtime
No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it doesn't become any less stupid. What you are saying is that Russia has the right to demand neighboring countries make economic and security decisions that benefit Russia rather than themselves and if they refuse Russia has the right to invade, kill the people and take over the country.

The way you present the issue one might think Russia's entire problem with eastern Europe for the last 30 years is the mere fact that Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, etc... exercised their sovereignty and right to self-determination to raise their military expenditure from, let's say, 2 to 6% of their GDP.

In reality those countries exercised their "sovereignty" to rent their territories to serve the interests of foreign powers, they rented their soil to a foreign military alliance representing foreign interests in exchange for free protection (one of those foreign powers almost decimated european Russia a few decades ago).

The eastward expansion of that foreign military alliance poses a clear geopolitical security threat to Russia.

The sovereignty and right of self-determination of eastern european countries is definitely one of the terms of this equation but so is Russia's right to defend itself from geopolitical threats posed by foreign powers.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The way you present the issue one might think Russia's entire problem with eastern Europe for the last 30 years is the mere fact that Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, etc... exercised their sovereignty and right to self-determination to raise their military expenditure from, let's say, 2 to 6% of their GDP.

In reality those countries exercised their "sovereignty" to rent their territories to serve the interests of foreign powers, they rented their soil to a foreign military alliance representing foreign interests in exchange for free protection (one of those foreign powers almost decimated european Russia a few decades ago).

The eastward expansion of that foreign military alliance poses a clear geopolitical security threat to Russia.

The sovereignty and right of self-determination of eastern european countries is definitely one of the terms of this equation but so is Russia's right to defend itself from geopolitical threats posed by foreign powers.

Again, all your bullshit aside, what you are saying again is that Russia has the right to demand all these countries make economic and security decisions that benefit Russia rather than themselves and if they don't comply Russia has the right to invade them, kill the people and take over the country.

 

[watchingfromafar]

How long has the US been pushing for and getting sanctions?

The sanctions are hurting. The pain is just not reported in the Russian news.

Then there was the US inspired overthrown in 2014......and tickling the bears tail with the NATO stick.

It was/is more than a tickle; it is a stinging wasp.

Dellidude: US has had a hardon for Russia and Putin for as long as Putin has been in charge. Those areas he has taken were in constant war with Russia.

That is until the USA started arming Ukraine. A war Putin is going to lose. Then Russia will have to pay for Ukraine’s reconstruction. This will cost Putin his leadership and possibly his life.
Good riddance to bad stinking rubbish.

This is all about hurting Putin for US interests at the cost of Ukrainian lives.

The USA has nothing to do with Puties wet dreams.
-

 

[Delldude]

The USA has nothing to do with Puties wet dreams.

Wake up.....been drooling for this moment for years and years.

Remember the 2014 US State Department approved installation of a new regime, 'er, I mean hand picked government?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Wake up.....been drooling for this moment for years and years.

Remember the 2014 US State Department approved installation of a new regime, 'er, I mean hand picked government?

How can anyone remember it when it never happened? There is absolutely no evidence the US played any part in Yanukovych resigning or of Poroshenko being elected. Why do you post such nonsense?

 

[Delldude]

How can anyone remember it when it never happened? There is absolutely no evidence the US played any part in Yanukovych resigning or of Poroshenko being elected. Why do you post such nonsense?

Duh...........

The hacked recording of a phone call between the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, and Nuland sealed the otherwise discreet diplomat’s place in history. In the recording, Nuland’s voice can be heard giving Pyatt orders about who the United States had selected to be Ukraine’s new prime minister. Countering Pyatt’s suggestion of the popular former boxer, Vitali Klitschko, Nuland selected Arseniy Yatsenyuk. After the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych fled the country and Yatsenyuk struggled to lead a new government, an anti-Russian billionaire, Petro Poroshenko, won the presidency in September 2014. He immediately appealed to the Obama administration for military assistance to counter Russia, but President Obama kept him at bay, reasoning that “Ukraine is a core interest for Moscow, in a way that it is not for the United States.”

In other words, not only did the CIA work to overthrow the elected president, Yanukovych, but Nuland managed to manipulate Ukrainian politics from within and thus contribute to what was to evolve into a notoriously corrupt regime under Poroshenko. At the same time, her commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, chose to limit the US involvement in Ukraine by defining a prudent arm’s length relationship with the fiasco that was unfolding, even after Russia seized Crimea from the Ukrainians.
Try This Game to Evaluate Levels of Disinformation in Times of War

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy#

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU

A conversation between a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that was posted on YouTube revealed an embarrassing exchange on U.S. strategy for a political transition in that country, including a crude American swipe at the European Union.

www.reuters.com

 

[toomuchtime_]

Duh...........

The hacked recording of a phone call between the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, and Nuland sealed the otherwise discreet diplomat’s place in history. In the recording, Nuland’s voice can be heard giving Pyatt orders about who the United States had selected to be Ukraine’s new prime minister. Countering Pyatt’s suggestion of the popular former boxer, Vitali Klitschko, Nuland selected Arseniy Yatsenyuk. After the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych fled the country and Yatsenyuk struggled to lead a new government, an anti-Russian billionaire, Petro Poroshenko, won the presidency in September 2014. He immediately appealed to the Obama administration for military assistance to counter Russia, but President Obama kept him at bay, reasoning that “Ukraine is a core interest for Moscow, in a way that it is not for the United States.”

In other words, not only did the CIA work to overthrow the elected president, Yanukovych, but Nuland managed to manipulate Ukrainian politics from within and thus contribute to what was to evolve into a notoriously corrupt regime under Poroshenko. At the same time, her commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, chose to limit the US involvement in Ukraine by defining a prudent arm’s length relationship with the fiasco that was unfolding, even after Russia seized Crimea from the Ukrainians.
Try This Game to Evaluate Levels of Disinformation in Times of War

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy#

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU

A conversation between a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that was posted on YouTube revealed an embarrassing exchange on U.S. strategy for a political transition in that country, including a crude American swipe at the European Union.

www.reuters.com

You are grossly misinformed. Regardless of what Nuland may have favored, after Yanukovych agreed to new elections and then left for Russia, the Ukrainian parliament impeached him and the Oleksandr Turchynov, chairman of the Ukrainian parliament, served as temporary president, as per the Ukrainian constitution, until elections could be held a few months later when Poroshenko was elected.

Clearly, the change of government followed Ukrainian law and the Ukrainian constitution to the letter and there is no evidence Nuland's preferences played any role in this. Putin, on the other hand, was outraged Ukraine didn't follow his wishes and invaded Ukraine and stole Crimea.

By citing these events as justifying Putin's invasion, you are asserting you believe Putin has he right to invade and country near it that doesn't follow his wishes and kill the people and steal the land. Is it your intent to be an advocate for Russan imperialism?

 

[Delldude]

You are grossly misinformed. Regardless of what Nuland may have favored, after Yanukovych agreed to new elections and then left for Russia, the Ukrainian parliament impeached him and the Oleksandr Turchynov, chairman of the Ukrainian parliament, served as temporary president, as per the Ukrainian constitution, until elections could be held a few months later when Poroshenko was elected.

Clearly, the change of government followed Ukrainian law and the Ukrainian constitution to the letter and there is no evidence Nuland's preferences played any role in this. Putin, on the other hand, was outraged Ukraine didn't follow his wishes and invaded Ukraine and stole Crimea.

By citing these events as justifying Putin's invasion, you are asserting you believe Putin has he right to invade and country near it that doesn't follow his wishes and kill the people and steal the land. Is it your intent to be an advocate for Russan imperialism?

Never said it justified Putin's invasion, only US meddling in the Ukraine 'overthrow'.

It's very apparent, Dude.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Never said it justified Putin's invasion, only US meddling in the Ukraine 'overthrow'.

It's very apparent, Dude.

In fact you claimed the US started the war on the basis of this bullshit. What's apparent is that there is no evidence of US tampering in any of this. A telephone call between two American diplomats discussing the situation in Ukraine is not evidence of meddling.

 

[Delldude]

In fact you claimed the US started the war on the basis of this bullshit. What's apparent is that there is no evidence of US tampering in any of this. A telephone call between two American diplomats discussing the situation in Ukraine is not evidence of meddling.

Telling the Uke's who they wanted sure as hell is.

Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.
_____________________________________
Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

Damn............'Yat's' be da man.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Telling the Uke's who they wanted sure as hell is.

Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.
_____________________________________
Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

Damn............'Yat's' be da man.

Again, all you are showing is two US diplomats discussing the situation in Ukraine, and you claim this conversation started the war.

 

[Delldude]

Again, all you are showing is two US diplomats discussing the situation in Ukraine, and you claim this conversation started the war.

Never said that.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Never said that.

Yeah, you did. You said the US started the war by causing an alleged coup in 2014 and the only evidence you have been able to produce in support of that claim is this conversation between two US diplomats about the situation in Ukraine.