Is marketing a "Plus Size Barbie" a "good" thing?

[BDBoop]

Why are we not having this coversation about bratz dolls with thier oversized heads, collegen injected lips, and plastic surgery cats eyes?

Or WWE dolls, showing massive roidasauruses.

Plus, once girls hit puberty and are really more malleable about body image, they have long since gone past barbie. If you are collecting barbies in your teens you are likely a gay male, not a female.

My guess would be that Barbies are around my age, and Bratz are - what? Just over ten years old. Barbies have been setting a bad/wrong standard for over 50 years, and probably outsell Bratz by a ridiculous amount.

Do 5-10 year olds really see barbies as something body-wise to emulate? Or is this concept the result of 20-30 somethings looking for some excuse in therapy for why they are fat/bulemic/whatever and finding barbies as a convenient target?

I played with GI-joes, I never identified my body image with a doll with kung-fu grip.

Seriously.

 

[martybegan]

My guess would be that Barbies are around my age, and Bratz are - what? Just over ten years old. Barbies have been setting a bad/wrong standard for over 50 years, and probably outsell Bratz by a ridiculous amount.

Do 5-10 year olds really see barbies as something body-wise to emulate? Or is this concept the result of 20-30 somethings looking for some excuse in therapy for why they are fat/bulemic/whatever and finding barbies as a convenient target?

I played with GI-joes, I never identified my body image with a doll with kung-fu grip.

Seriously.

Yes, seriously. How many cases are there of girls who play with barbie dolls saying they want to have the same body proportions of said barbie dolls? Is there an epidemic of barbie doll induced anorixa, bulemia, and plastic surgery to make one look like a barbie doll? What is the age and background of those people crusading against barbies, and who think they are the worst thing in the world?

Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar, and a Doll is a just a freaking Doll.

 

[BDBoop]

For the child that believes a barbie or any doll is an accurate representation of what the world expects needs a more active and level headed parent in their lives.

Uh-huh.

You two gentlemen apparently know nothing about American women and body image, it would seem.

Expectations? The media? Fashion models? No? None of this rings a bell for you.

Ah, well; I tried.

 

[BDBoop]

Do 5-10 year olds really see barbies as something body-wise to emulate? Or is this concept the result of 20-30 somethings looking for some excuse in therapy for why they are fat/bulemic/whatever and finding barbies as a convenient target?

I played with GI-joes, I never identified my body image with a doll with kung-fu grip.

Seriously.

Yes, seriously. How many cases are there of girls who play with barbie dolls saying they want to have the same body proportions of said barbie dolls? Is there an epidemic of barbie doll induced anorixa, bulemia, and plastic surgery to make one look like a barbie doll? What is the age and background of those people crusading against barbies, and who think they are the worst thing in the world?

Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar, and a Doll is a just a freaking Doll.

And sometimes not. Try Googling "American women body image."

Do some reading.

Barbie And Body Image .....The Connection

 

[martybegan]

For the child that believes a barbie or any doll is an accurate representation of what the world expects needs a more active and level headed parent in their lives.

Uh-huh.

You two gentlemen apparently know nothing about American women and body image, it would seem.

Expectations? The media? Fashion models? No? None of this rings a bell for you.

Ah, well; I tried.

But is this body image thing created by dolls, or is it something ingrained throughout society, and the media's portrayal of what it sees as the ideal "woman"?

I would propose to look at the bombardment on TV, Movies, and advertisements of the purported "ideal woman" instead of children's toys.

 

[BDBoop]

From the previous link.

The Barbie Body Image and Eating Disorders

The Alliance for Eating Disorders Awareness reports that 70 million people worldwide suffer from eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia. About 90 percent of those with eating disorders are young women between the ages of 12 and 25. Remember, these young women likely played with Barbie dolls, multiple Barbie dolls, shortly before developing their disorders.

An unrealistic idea about the way we should look or what we should weigh is not the only thing that causes eating disorders and in fact, eating disorders are complex conditions that probably have numerous contributing factors. Still, we know that the toys children play with influence their later behavior.

One study found more than half of women ages 18 to 25 would prefer to be run over by a truck than to be overweight. Even if they have not been diagnosed with eating disorders, these women clearly do not have healthy body images.

 

[martybegan]

Seriously.

Yes, seriously. How many cases are there of girls who play with barbie dolls saying they want to have the same body proportions of said barbie dolls? Is there an epidemic of barbie doll induced anorixa, bulemia, and plastic surgery to make one look like a barbie doll? What is the age and background of those people crusading against barbies, and who think they are the worst thing in the world?

Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar, and a Doll is a just a freaking Doll.

And sometimes not. Try Googling "American women body image."

Do some reading.

Barbie And Body Image .....The Connection

Again, is this due to a doll, or due to the media's portrayal of the proposed "ideal body image"?

The doll is an easier scapegoat for those of a progressive bent, because it is made by an eevull corporation, while the media's portrayal is more difficult, as many of those in the media and in industries such as fashion, movies and TV have the proper "progressive mindset," and yet all thier products scream of the very conditions you castigate barbie dolls for.

 

[martybegan]

From the previous link.

The Barbie Body Image and Eating Disorders

The Alliance for Eating Disorders Awareness reports that 70 million people worldwide suffer from eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia. About 90 percent of those with eating disorders are young women between the ages of 12 and 25. Remember, these young women likely played with Barbie dolls, multiple Barbie dolls, shortly before developing their disorders.

An unrealistic idea about the way we should look or what we should weigh is not the only thing that causes eating disorders and in fact, eating disorders are complex conditions that probably have numerous contributing factors. Still, we know that the toys children play with influence their later behavior.

One study found more than half of women ages 18 to 25 would prefer to be run over by a truck than to be overweight. Even if they have not been diagnosed with eating disorders, these women clearly do not have healthy body images.

As stated before by me and others in numerous other posts, correlation is not causation. And the term "likely played with barbie dolls" is not even close to a statistical fact.

 

[Connery]

For the child that believes a barbie or any doll is an accurate representation of what the world expects needs a more active and level headed parent in their lives.

Uh-huh.

You two gentlemen apparently know nothing about American women and body image, it would seem.

Expectations? The media? Fashion models? No? None of this rings a bell for you.

Ah, well; I tried.

I have been and am still deeply entrenched in the fashion industry. I am talking about parenting and what a child will believe. Perhaps, it is your jaundiced view of the world and parental responsibility.

 

[NLT]

Did BD BOOB model for the plus size barbie?

 

[BDBoop]

The Effects of Playing with Thin Dolls on Body Image and Food Intake in Young Girls

Although there has been discussion about the extremely thin body of Barbie, only one experimental study actually tested the effects of exposure to images of Barbie on body image in a sample of young girls’ from the United Kingdom (Dittmar et al. 2006). In that study, 5- to 8-year-old girls were exposed to images of Barbie or to images of Emme (developed by Tonner); a doll with more realistic body proportions that was endorsed by the American Dietetic Association as a healthy role model for young girls. They found that girls between the ages of 5.5 to 7.5 years old had lower body esteem scores and a greater discrepancy between actual and ideal body sizes or actual and adult body sizes (relative difference between the actual body size of the girl and her desired adult body size) if they were exposed to images of a Barbie, whereas exposure to images of the Emme doll had no effects on these variables. However, children between the ages of 7.5 and 8.5 experienced greater actual and adult body discrepancies if exposed to images of Emme, whereas no effects were found for exposure to images of Barbie in this age group. Dittmar et al. (2006) reasoned that the age difference they found can be explained by the fact that the girls under the age of 7.5 are still developing a self-concept and therefore use Barbie actively as a reference norm, whereas girls older than 7.5 years have already internalized the thin ideal as a cognitive self-concept structure (see also Vygotsky 1991).

 

[BDBoop]

For the child that believes a barbie or any doll is an accurate representation of what the world expects needs a more active and level headed parent in their lives.

Uh-huh.

You two gentlemen apparently know nothing about American women and body image, it would seem.

Expectations? The media? Fashion models? No? None of this rings a bell for you.

Ah, well; I tried.

I have been and am still deeply entrenched in the fashion industry. I am talking about parenting and what a child will believe. Perhaps, it is your jaundiced view of the world and parental responsibility.

 

[martybegan]

The Effects of Playing with Thin Dolls on Body Image and Food Intake in Young Girls

Although there has been discussion about the extremely thin body of Barbie, only one experimental study actually tested the effects of exposure to images of Barbie on body image in a sample of young girls’ from the United Kingdom (Dittmar et al. 2006). In that study, 5- to 8-year-old girls were exposed to images of Barbie or to images of Emme (developed by Tonner); a doll with more realistic body proportions that was endorsed by the American Dietetic Association as a healthy role model for young girls. They found that girls between the ages of 5.5 to 7.5 years old had lower body esteem scores and a greater discrepancy between actual and ideal body sizes or actual and adult body sizes (relative difference between the actual body size of the girl and her desired adult body size) if they were exposed to images of a Barbie, whereas exposure to images of the Emme doll had no effects on these variables. However, children between the ages of 7.5 and 8.5 experienced greater actual and adult body discrepancies if exposed to images of Emme, whereas no effects were found for exposure to images of Barbie in this age group. Dittmar et al. (2006) reasoned that the age difference they found can be explained by the fact that the girls under the age of 7.5 are still developing a self-concept and therefore use Barbie actively as a reference norm, whereas girls older than 7.5 years have already internalized the thin ideal as a cognitive self-concept structure (see also Vygotsky 1991).

And has this study been replicated to verify the results?

I am loathe to take the results of one study as indicative as anything, in particular ones that deal with such vagartieis as "body esteem scores"

My loathing of studies goes both ways, for example you will not see me run to that "gay parents are bad because of this study" post and say it proves all and ends all.

Studies are just that, studies, ones that have not been repeated independently multiple times are particularly bad.

 

[Connery]

Uh-huh.

You two gentlemen apparently know nothing about American women and body image, it would seem.

Expectations? The media? Fashion models? No? None of this rings a bell for you.

Ah, well; I tried.

I have been and am still deeply entrenched in the fashion industry. I am talking about parenting and what a child will believe. Perhaps, it is your jaundiced view of the world and parental responsibility.

"Women and body image" begin when the person is a child. It is up to the parents to develop a healthy sense of self, self esteem and accurate and well thought out perspective regarding the world and not leave it up to the people who manufacture and market the Barbie doll.

 

[BDBoop]

I have been and am still deeply entrenched in the fashion industry. I am talking about parenting and what a child will believe. Perhaps, it is your jaundiced view of the world and parental responsibility.

"Women and body image" begin when the person is a child. It is up to the parents to develop a healthy sense of self, self esteem and accurate and well thought out perspective regarding the world and not leave it up to the people who manufacture and market the Barbie doll.

Aaaaaand you had to attack me to make that point?

 

[BDBoop]

The Effects of Playing with Thin Dolls on Body Image and Food Intake in Young Girls

Although there has been discussion about the extremely thin body of Barbie, only one experimental study actually tested the effects of exposure to images of Barbie on body image in a sample of young girls’ from the United Kingdom (Dittmar et al. 2006). In that study, 5- to 8-year-old girls were exposed to images of Barbie or to images of Emme (developed by Tonner); a doll with more realistic body proportions that was endorsed by the American Dietetic Association as a healthy role model for young girls. They found that girls between the ages of 5.5 to 7.5 years old had lower body esteem scores and a greater discrepancy between actual and ideal body sizes or actual and adult body sizes (relative difference between the actual body size of the girl and her desired adult body size) if they were exposed to images of a Barbie, whereas exposure to images of the Emme doll had no effects on these variables. However, children between the ages of 7.5 and 8.5 experienced greater actual and adult body discrepancies if exposed to images of Emme, whereas no effects were found for exposure to images of Barbie in this age group. Dittmar et al. (2006) reasoned that the age difference they found can be explained by the fact that the girls under the age of 7.5 are still developing a self-concept and therefore use Barbie actively as a reference norm, whereas girls older than 7.5 years have already internalized the thin ideal as a cognitive self-concept structure (see also Vygotsky 1991).

And has this study been replicated to verify the results?

I am loathe to take the results of one study as indicative as anything, in particular ones that deal with such vagartieis as "body esteem scores"

My loathing of studies goes both ways, for example you will not see me run to that "gay parents are bad because of this study" post and say it proves all and ends all.

Studies are just that, studies, ones that have not been repeated independently multiple times are particularly bad.

Did you read the whole article, or just the C&P.

 

[martybegan]

The Effects of Playing with Thin Dolls on Body Image and Food Intake in Young Girls

And has this study been replicated to verify the results?

I am loathe to take the results of one study as indicative as anything, in particular ones that deal with such vagartieis as "body esteem scores"

My loathing of studies goes both ways, for example you will not see me run to that "gay parents are bad because of this study" post and say it proves all and ends all.

Studies are just that, studies, ones that have not been repeated independently multiple times are particularly bad.

Did you read the whole article, or just the C&P.

I post at work in the background, and I try not to open anything linked if I can help it.

Ill review when I get home, but from my engineering background, when the summary doesnt post numbers, they usually are dont back up the summary as well as they could.

My engineering background is also why I dont trust made up concepts such as "body esteem scores."

 

[Meathead]

Radical thought here, but I think there should be a range of Barbies and kids should choose whichever they want.

Crazy, eh?

 

[BDBoop]

And has this study been replicated to verify the results?

I am loathe to take the results of one study as indicative as anything, in particular ones that deal with such vagartieis as "body esteem scores"

My loathing of studies goes both ways, for example you will not see me run to that "gay parents are bad because of this study" post and say it proves all and ends all.

Studies are just that, studies, ones that have not been repeated independently multiple times are particularly bad.

Did you read the whole article, or just the C&P.

I post at work in the background, and I try not to open anything linked if I can help it.

Ill review when I get home, but from my engineering background, when the summary doesnt post numbers, they usually are dont back up the summary as well as they could.

My engineering background is also why I dont trust made up concepts such as "body esteem scores."

Do you believe eating disorders exist?

 

[Connery]

"Women and body image" begin when the person is a child. It is up to the parents to develop a healthy sense of self, self esteem and accurate and well thought out perspective regarding the world and not leave it up to the people who manufacture and market the Barbie doll.

Aaaaaand you had to attack me to make that point?

Attack? I made an assessment, just like you did....madam... mine was based on the fact that you made assertions about two people who you know nothing about and were incorrect on both counts. As such, your comment is merely a mirror reflection of your own jaundiced perspective.