Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

[Kondor3]

Except the Nazis weren't returning to their Ethnic and Spiritual Homeland, and that the Poles weren't actively suicide-bombing and rocketing them, when they took-on Poland...

There is no hiding the fact that the Jews of Israel intend on resurrecting a Greater Israel (Eretz Yisrael) which includes all of their present-day territory plus the West Bank and Gaza...

Thereby rounding-out their recapture of the old combined kingdoms of Judea and Israel as 'Jewish' territory...

So far, so good... no 'down-side' in sight...

 

[Hossfly]

Care to provide some coherent drivel for transferring millions of Arabs out of Greater Israel?

You, folks, drivel, of course, the magnificient me talk.

Talk of what, genocide or ethnic cleansing?
What do you have to say about this?

"The Peel Commission of 1937 was the first to propose a two-state solution to the conflict, whereby Palestine would be divided into two states: one Arab state and one Jewish state.

"The Jewish state would include the coastal plain, Jezreel Valley, Beit She'an and the Galilee, while the Arab state would include Transjordan, Judea and Samaria, the Jordan Valley, and the Negev.

"The 2 main Jewish leaders, Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion had convinced the Zionist Congress to approve equivocally the Peel recommendations as a basis for more negotiation. [20] [21] [22]

"The Arab leadership in Palestine rejected the conclusions and refused to share any land in Palestine with the Jewish population.

"The rejection of the Peel Commission's proposal by The Arabs led to the establishment of the Woodhead Commission, which rejected the proposal of the Peel Commission as non-applicable.

"In May 1939 the British government released a new policy paper which sought to implement a one-state solution in Palestine, significantly reduced the number of Jewish immigrants allowed to enter Palestine by establishing a quota for Jewish immigration which was set by the British government in the short-term and which would be set by the Arab leadership in the long-term.

"The quota also placed restrictions on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs, in an attempt to limit the socio-political damage. These restrictions remained until the end of the mandate period, a period which occurred in parallel with World War II and the Holocaust, during which many Jewish refugees tried to escape from Europe.[23]

"As a result, during the 1930s and 1940s the leadership of the Yishuv arranged a couple of illegal immigration waves of Jews to the British Mandate of Palestine (see also Aliyah Bet), which caused even more tensions in the region.

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[24]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal.[25]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."

History of the Israeli?Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What "historic goal" are Jews seeking in Palestine, Drivel, the same one Nazis sought in Poland?

Whereas the Nazis invaded Poland for living space, the Jews owned their land to begin with. God gave it to them. Got any complaints, take it up with Him.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You, folks, drivel, of course, the magnificient me talk.

Talk of what, genocide or ethnic cleansing?
What do you have to say about this?

"The Peel Commission of 1937 was the first to propose a two-state solution to the conflict, whereby Palestine would be divided into two states: one Arab state and one Jewish state.

"The Jewish state would include the coastal plain, Jezreel Valley, Beit She'an and the Galilee, while the Arab state would include Transjordan, Judea and Samaria, the Jordan Valley, and the Negev.

"The 2 main Jewish leaders, Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion had convinced the Zionist Congress to approve equivocally the Peel recommendations as a basis for more negotiation. [20] [21] [22]

"The Arab leadership in Palestine rejected the conclusions and refused to share any land in Palestine with the Jewish population.

"The rejection of the Peel Commission's proposal by The Arabs led to the establishment of the Woodhead Commission, which rejected the proposal of the Peel Commission as non-applicable.

"In May 1939 the British government released a new policy paper which sought to implement a one-state solution in Palestine, significantly reduced the number of Jewish immigrants allowed to enter Palestine by establishing a quota for Jewish immigration which was set by the British government in the short-term and which would be set by the Arab leadership in the long-term.

"The quota also placed restrictions on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs, in an attempt to limit the socio-political damage. These restrictions remained until the end of the mandate period, a period which occurred in parallel with World War II and the Holocaust, during which many Jewish refugees tried to escape from Europe.[23]

"As a result, during the 1930s and 1940s the leadership of the Yishuv arranged a couple of illegal immigration waves of Jews to the British Mandate of Palestine (see also Aliyah Bet), which caused even more tensions in the region.

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[24]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal.[25]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."

History of the Israeli?Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What "historic goal" are Jews seeking in Palestine, Drivel, the same one Nazis sought in Poland?

Whereas the Nazis invaded Poland for living space, the Jews owned their land to begin with. God gave it to them. Got any complaints, take it up with Him.

Yeah but God took it back because they wouldn't behave.

 

[Hossfly]

Talk of what, genocide or ethnic cleansing?
What do you have to say about this?

"The Peel Commission of 1937 was the first to propose a two-state solution to the conflict, whereby Palestine would be divided into two states: one Arab state and one Jewish state.

"The Jewish state would include the coastal plain, Jezreel Valley, Beit She'an and the Galilee, while the Arab state would include Transjordan, Judea and Samaria, the Jordan Valley, and the Negev.

"The 2 main Jewish leaders, Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion had convinced the Zionist Congress to approve equivocally the Peel recommendations as a basis for more negotiation. [20] [21] [22]

"The Arab leadership in Palestine rejected the conclusions and refused to share any land in Palestine with the Jewish population.

"The rejection of the Peel Commission's proposal by The Arabs led to the establishment of the Woodhead Commission, which rejected the proposal of the Peel Commission as non-applicable.

"In May 1939 the British government released a new policy paper which sought to implement a one-state solution in Palestine, significantly reduced the number of Jewish immigrants allowed to enter Palestine by establishing a quota for Jewish immigration which was set by the British government in the short-term and which would be set by the Arab leadership in the long-term.

"The quota also placed restrictions on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs, in an attempt to limit the socio-political damage. These restrictions remained until the end of the mandate period, a period which occurred in parallel with World War II and the Holocaust, during which many Jewish refugees tried to escape from Europe.[23]

"As a result, during the 1930s and 1940s the leadership of the Yishuv arranged a couple of illegal immigration waves of Jews to the British Mandate of Palestine (see also Aliyah Bet), which caused even more tensions in the region.

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[24]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal.[25]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."

History of the Israeli?Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What "historic goal" are Jews seeking in Palestine, Drivel, the same one Nazis sought in Poland?

Whereas the Nazis invaded Poland for living space, the Jews owned their land to begin with. God gave it to them. Got any complaints, take it up with Him.

Yeah but God took it back because they wouldn't behave.

They're behaving now so all is forgiven And that's a fact, Jack.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whereas the Nazis invaded Poland for living space, the Jews owned their land to begin with. God gave it to them. Got any complaints, take it up with Him.

Yeah but God took it back because they wouldn't behave.

They're behaving now so all is forgiven And that's a fact, Jack.

I thought the Messiah was to call his people back to the promised land not a bunch of criminals out of Europe.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Yeah but God took it back because they wouldn't behave."

Much like He did for the Palestinians in 1948... and gave it back to the Jews at the same time.

 

[georgephillip]

Except the Nazis weren't returning to their Ethnic and Spiritual Homeland, and that the Poles weren't actively suicide-bombing and rocketing them, when they took-on Poland...

There is no hiding the fact that the Jews of Israel intend on resurrecting a Greater Israel (Eretz Yisrael) which includes all of their present-day territory plus the West Bank and Gaza...

Thereby rounding-out their recapture of the old combined kingdoms of Judea and Israel as 'Jewish' territory...

So far, so good... no 'down-side' in sight...

You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land their ancestors pillaged thousands of years ago. Hint: it has nothing to do with scary Jews with painted faces or big guns; it has a great deal to do with Jews serving western imperial interests at least as devoutly as some of them serve their slave-like god. Maybe it's Original Sin?

 

[Kondor3]

"...You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land..."

Right of Conquest, with the covert, tacit approval of The West, allowing it to stand, because we like them better than you. No further explanation is necessary.

 

[Hossfly]

Except the Nazis weren't returning to their Ethnic and Spiritual Homeland, and that the Poles weren't actively suicide-bombing and rocketing them, when they took-on Poland...

There is no hiding the fact that the Jews of Israel intend on resurrecting a Greater Israel (Eretz Yisrael) which includes all of their present-day territory plus the West Bank and Gaza...

Thereby rounding-out their recapture of the old combined kingdoms of Judea and Israel as 'Jewish' territory...

So far, so good... no 'down-side' in sight...

You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land their ancestors pillaged thousands of years ago. Hint: it has nothing to do with scary Jews with painted faces or big guns; it has a great deal to do with Jews serving western imperial interests at least as devoutly as some of them serve their slave-like god. Maybe it's Original Sin?

Once upon a time, in a land far, far away, lived a prince named Moses.............

 

[georgephillip]

"...You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land..."

Right of Conquest, with the covert, tacit approval of The West, allowing it to stand, because we like them better than you. No further explanation is necessary.

The right of conquest expired with your pal Hitler.
Maybe you should tell Bibi?

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip, et al,

This sounds really special, but I still don't know what it means.

You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land their ancestors pillaged thousands of years ago. Hint: it has nothing to do with scary Jews with painted faces or big guns; it has a great deal to do with Jews serving western imperial interests at least as devoutly as some of them serve their slave-like god. Maybe it's Original Sin?

(COMMENT)

So make it clear for an old man. What is your theory and allegation?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

This sounds really special, but I still don't know what it means.

You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land their ancestors pillaged thousands of years ago. Hint: it has nothing to do with scary Jews with painted faces or big guns; it has a great deal to do with Jews serving western imperial interests at least as devoutly as some of them serve their slave-like god. Maybe it's Original Sin?

(COMMENT)

So make it clear for an old man. What is your theory and allegation?

Most Respectfully,
R

This old man remembers how the daily violence between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland in 1969 sometimes trumped the daily body count in South Vietnam; the Irish mayhem began in 1609 when an English king evicted two large Catholic clans from north Ireland and replaced them with 20,000 Protestants from England and Scotland, founding the Plantation of Ulster.

My allegation is confirmed by the first British Governor of Jerusalem:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

British Capitalists used the power of the state to pit one religion against another in Ireland and Palestine. I don't know that I would call it "special" or not, Rocco, but it's certainly obvious to this old man how the English invented the tactic of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between colonial rulers and an indigenous population, be it Arab or Irish.

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip, et al,

So as I understand it, the allegation is that the UK used the Balfour Declaration as a tool to introduce British Colonial power (English imperial ambitions) to the Middle East. And you are using a single comment by Sir Ronald Storrs ("a little loyal Jewish Ulster") as the foundation for that allegation.

georgephillip, et al,

This sounds really special, but I still don't know what it means.

You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land their ancestors pillaged thousands of years ago. Hint: it has nothing to do with scary Jews with painted faces or big guns; it has a great deal to do with Jews serving western imperial interests at least as devoutly as some of them serve their slave-like god. Maybe it's Original Sin?

(COMMENT)

So make it clear for an old man. What is your theory and allegation?

Most Respectfully,
R

This old man remembers how the daily violence between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland in 1969 sometimes trumped the daily body count in South Vietnam; the Irish mayhem began in 1609 when an English king evicted two large Catholic clans from north Ireland and replaced them with 20,000 Protestants from England and Scotland, founding the Plantation of Ulster.

My allegation is confirmed by the first British Governor of Jerusalem:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

British Capitalists used the power of the state to pit one religion against another in Ireland and Palestine. I don't know that I would call it "special" or not, Rocco, but it's certainly obvious to this old man how the English invented the tactic of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between colonial rulers and an indigenous population, be it Arab or Irish.

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I see any evidence for Post WWII "English imperial ambitions."

But you are sure getting your monies worth from of this one comment out of Sir Ronald.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

georgephillip, et al,

So as I understand it, the allegation is that the UK used the Balfour Declaration as a tool to introduce British Colonial power (English imperial ambitions) to the Middle East. And you are using a single comment by Sir Ronald Storrs ("a little loyal Jewish Ulster") as the foundation for that allegation.

georgephillip, et al,

This sounds really special, but I still don't know what it means.


(COMMENT)

So make it clear for an old man. What is your theory and allegation?

Most Respectfully,
R

This old man remembers how the daily violence between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland in 1969 sometimes trumped the daily body count in South Vietnam; the Irish mayhem began in 1609 when an English king evicted two large Catholic clans from north Ireland and replaced them with 20,000 Protestants from England and Scotland, founding the Plantation of Ulster.

My allegation is confirmed by the first British Governor of Jerusalem:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

British Capitalists used the power of the state to pit one religion against another in Ireland and Palestine. I don't know that I would call it "special" or not, Rocco, but it's certainly obvious to this old man how the English invented the tactic of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between colonial rulers and an indigenous population, be it Arab or Irish.

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I see any evidence for Post WWII "English imperial ambitions."

But you are sure getting your monies worth from of this one comment out of Sir Ronald.

Most Respectfully,
R

BTW, what was Churchill's position before he became prime minister?

 

[docmauser1]

Care to provide some coherent drivel for transferring millions of Arabs out of Greater Israel?

You, folks, drivel, of course, the magnificient me talk.

Talk of what, genocide or ethnic cleansing? What do you have to say about this?
"The Peel Commission of 1937 was the first to propose a two-state solution to the conflict, whereby Palestine would be divided into two states: one Arab state and one Jewish state.
"The Jewish state would include the coastal plain, Jezreel Valley, Beit She'an and the Galilee, while the Arab state would include Transjordan, Judea and Samaria, the Jordan Valley, and the Negev.
"The 2 main Jewish leaders, Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion had convinced the Zionist Congress to approve equivocally the Peel recommendations as a basis for more negotiation. [20] [21] [22]
"The Arab leadership in Palestine rejected the conclusions and refused to share any land in Palestine with the Jewish population.
"The rejection of the Peel Commission's proposal by The Arabs led to the establishment of the Woodhead Commission, which rejected the proposal of the Peel Commission as non-applicable.
"In May 1939 the British government released a new policy paper which sought to implement a one-state solution in Palestine, significantly reduced the number of Jewish immigrants allowed to enter Palestine by establishing a quota for Jewish immigration which was set by the British government in the short-term and which would be set by the Arab leadership in the long-term.

Arab fault, indeed! But they didn't forget to drop in on jewish development, of course, and with appetites growing decided to redistribute jewish stuff.

...History of the Israeli?Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That leftista-mccarthyista Sternhell et.al..

What "historic goal" are Jews seeking in Palestine, Drivel, the same one Nazis sought in Poland?

Drivelaggio.

 

[Hossfly]

"...You still haven't explained why Jews alone are entitled to land..."

Right of Conquest, with the covert, tacit approval of The West, allowing it to stand, because we like them better than you. No further explanation is necessary.

The right of conquest expired with your pal Hitler.
Maybe you should tell Bibi?

Does anyone think that Georgie Boy is brave enough to tell China to get out of Tibet or to Turkey to stop occupying part of Cyprus. Maybe he can get Calypso Louis Farrakhan to help him.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

For much of the conflict between the Arabs-Palestinians and the Israelis, there has been a series of discussions, from nearly every quarter, of a totally counterproductive nature. These discussions cover nearly every facet and aspect of the historical, legal, economic, military, political, and moral arguments that can be made. Nothing said today is anything new. Nothing said today, is original thought. And clearly nothing said today is a viable effort towards peace and reconciliation.

BTW, what was Churchill's position before he became prime minister?

(COMMENT)

Nothing that thought, or did not think, makes a difference more than a half century later. It is merely another platform from which to stage another argument that will circle around to the same positions that have been argued many times. Each side blaming someone else for the failure to achieve peace.

Neither side, especially on the part of the Arab-Palestinian, tried in any fashion to achieve peace. Neither side was willing to compromise. Any hardship endured in the last six decades were equally caused by the waring factions.

The question here, about Sir Winston Churchill, is totally irrelevant. Everyone knows that the remaining Mandate Powers had been totally transferred to the UNPC on the morning of the termination. The Jewish Agency declared its independence under the watch of the UNPC; holding the Mandatory reigns. And it is also well known that the UNPC, reported to the UNSC.

Each side knows that in some way, they each aggravated the conditions that propelled the continuation of the conflict; especially over the last six (+) decades.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

So as I understand it, the allegation is that the UK used the Balfour Declaration as a tool to introduce British Colonial power (English imperial ambitions) to the Middle East. And you are using a single comment by Sir Ronald Storrs ("a little loyal Jewish Ulster") as the foundation for that allegation.

This old man remembers how the daily violence between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland in 1969 sometimes trumped the daily body count in South Vietnam; the Irish mayhem began in 1609 when an English king evicted two large Catholic clans from north Ireland and replaced them with 20,000 Protestants from England and Scotland, founding the Plantation of Ulster.

My allegation is confirmed by the first British Governor of Jerusalem:

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'”

British Capitalists used the power of the state to pit one religion against another in Ireland and Palestine. I don't know that I would call it "special" or not, Rocco, but it's certainly obvious to this old man how the English invented the tactic of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between colonial rulers and an indigenous population, be it Arab or Irish.

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I see any evidence for Post WWII "English imperial ambitions."

But you are sure getting your monies worth from of this one comment out of Sir Ronald.

Most Respectfully,
R

BTW, what was Churchill's position before he became prime minister?

Winnie was racist bigot and anti-Semite with both drunken eyes fixed firmly on Empire. He supported a Jewish homeland in Palestine because he believed it undercut Socialism's appeal to many European Jews:

"The British ruling class, which was rabidly anti-Semitic, had its own reasons for this support.

"Out of the First World War, Arab nationalism had emerged as a major threat to domination of the Middle East and Britain hoped that Zionists could be a useful force for policing the Arabs.

"But Winston Churchill gave another reason for supporting Zionism-defeat of the left wing 'International Jews.' In an astoundingly anti-Semitic article titled 'Zionism versus Bolshevism,' Churchill wrote,

"First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them....

"In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews....

"This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus...to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing ...

"It becomes, therefore, specially important to foster and develop any strongly-marked Jewish movement which leads directly away from these fatal associations. And it is here that Zionism has such a deep significance for the whole world at the present time....

"hould there be created in our own life rime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire."

The Hidden Roots of Zionism

 

[MHunterB]

Yeah but God took it back because they wouldn't behave.

They're behaving now so all is forgiven And that's a fact, Jack.

I thought the Messiah was to call his people back to the promised land not a bunch of criminals out of Europe.

Then you thought wrong about it, as you always do.

 

[MHunterB]

I'm thinking that the whole reason for this thread is that Georgie boy want to fantasize about himself being like Nelson Mandela.....

I understand that G-boy is a male of African ancestry: I think that's as far as it goes, isn't it????