Is ICE Conducting "Roving Patrols?"

[Seymour Flops]

Sen. Baldwin says ending ‘roving patrols,’ masked agents must be part of DHS funding bill

Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin believes immigration enforcement and border patrol agencies have gone "rogue" and she is calling for greater oversight and accountability.

www.wpr.org

Senator Baldwin (D) Wisconsin says they are and it should stop. She believes apparently that it is worth shutting the government down over that question. Partially anyway.

“We have to put an end to these roving patrols,” she said. “They’re just combing the streets, going door to door, outside our schools.”

I strongly agree - if such roving patrols are actually happening. That does not sound like the American way at all. Law enforcement should be aimed at those known or legitimately suspected to be breaking the law.

“Instead, they should be getting warrants, having targeted arrests, working with local law enforcement around those operations,” she continued.

Wait, what?

As far as I know, that is exactly what they are doing - or trying to do in some locations. they absolutely are getting warrants. I know Democrats are trying to draw a distinction based on who
Issues the warrants, but they have warrants.

i have lost track of how many times i've seen Tom Homan pleading with local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE so that they can safely arrest the criminals in jaI and can leave communities alone. It seems now he is finally getting some cooperation from Minnesota.

Still I am plenty mistrustful of government. so if anyone has any actual evidence of these roving patrols, please post it. Maybe first define what you mean by "roving patrols."

To clarify in advance, claims by lawyers or other advocates would not be evidence. Neither would claims by anonymous sources. Obviously not claims by people who were arrested and then announced that they are completely innocent victims of random arrest.

 

[1srelluc]

I certainly hope so. I hope they are also doing transport hub checks too....Like bus stops and train stations.

 

[JGalt]

Sen. Baldwin says ending ‘roving patrols,’ masked agents must be part of DHS funding bill

Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin believes immigration enforcement and border patrol agencies have gone "rogue" and she is calling for greater oversight and accountability.

www.wpr.org

Senator Baldwin (D) Wisconsin says they are and it should stop. She believes apparently that it is worth shutting the government down over that question. Partially anyway.

“We have to put an end to these roving patrols,” she said. “They’re just combing the streets, going door to door, outside our schools.”

I strongly agree - if such roving patrols are actually happening. That does not sound like the American way at all. Law enforcement should be aimed at those known or legitimately suspected to be breaking the law.

“Instead, they should be getting warrants, having targeted arrests, working with local law enforcement around those operations,” she continued.

Wait, what?

As far as I know, that is exactly what they are doing - or trying to do in some locations. they absolutely are getting warrants. I know Democrats are trying to draw a distinction based on who
Issues the warrants, but they have warrants.

i have lost track of how many times i've seen Tom Homan pleading with local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE so that they can safely arrest the criminals in jaI and can leave communities alone. It seems now he is finally getting some cooperation from Minnesota.

Still I am plenty mistrustful of government. so if anyone has any actual evidence of these roving patrols, please post it. Maybe first define what you mean by "roving patrols."

To clarify in advance, claims by lawyers or other advocates would not be evidence. Neither would claims by anonymous sources. Obviously not claims by people who were arrested and then announced that they are completely innocent victims of random arrest.

The best way is "snatch and grab." Get intel on where the illegals are, show up in the middle of the night, grab them, and get the **** out.

That way, the protesters don't know what's happening and they have no time to deploy.

 

[WorldWatcher]

As far as I know, that is exactly what they are doing - or trying to do in some locations. they absolutely are getting warrants. I know Democrats are trying to draw a distinction based on who
Issues the warrants, but they have warrants.

They have "administrative warrants" issued by DHS employees. Those allow DHS Agents to detain the subject of the warrant.

That is different than a judicial warrant which allows DHS Agents to enter and search a home, vehicle, business, etc. Such searches have to be based on propable cause and issued via an Article III Judge, not an administrative employee.

So just using the term "warrant" lacks clarity.

WW
.
.
Amendment the 4th – Search and Seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

 

[White 6]

Sen. Baldwin says ending ‘roving patrols,’ masked agents must be part of DHS funding bill

Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin believes immigration enforcement and border patrol agencies have gone "rogue" and she is calling for greater oversight and accountability.

www.wpr.org

Senator Baldwin (D) Wisconsin says they are and it should stop. She believes apparently that it is worth shutting the government down over that question. Partially anyway.

“We have to put an end to these roving patrols,” she said. “They’re just combing the streets, going door to door, outside our schools.”

I strongly agree - if such roving patrols are actually happening. That does not sound like the American way at all. Law enforcement should be aimed at those known or legitimately suspected to be breaking the law.

“Instead, they should be getting warrants, having targeted arrests, working with local law enforcement around those operations,” she continued.

Wait, what?

As far as I know, that is exactly what they are doing - or trying to do in some locations. they absolutely are getting warrants. I know Democrats are trying to draw a distinction based on who
Issues the warrants, but they have warrants.

i have lost track of how many times i've seen Tom Homan pleading with local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE so that they can safely arrest the criminals in jaI and can leave communities alone. It seems now he is finally getting some cooperation from Minnesota.

Still I am plenty mistrustful of government. so if anyone has any actual evidence of these roving patrols, please post it. Maybe first define what you mean by "roving patrols."

To clarify in advance, claims by lawyers or other advocates would not be evidence. Neither would claims by anonymous sources. Obviously not claims by people who were arrested and then announced that they are completely innocent victims of random arrest.

Yes, ICE has been conducting operations in Minnesota that include increased visibility and enforcement actions, which can resemble roving patrols, particularly in areas with significant immigrant populations. This has raised concerns among community members about the impact on undocumented individuals and their families.
MPR News ilcm.org

We thought you knew!

 

[JGalt]

They have "administrative warrants" issued by DHS employees. Those allow DHS Agents to detain the subject of the warrant.

That is different than a judicial warrant which allows DHS Agents to enter and search a home, vehicle, business, etc. Such searches have to be based on propable cause and issued via an Article III Judge, not an administrative employee.

So just using the term "warrant" lacks clarity.

WW
.
.
Amendment the 4th – Search and Seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

Illegal aliens are not "the people" and are not "citizens" of this country. While inside a home they do receive some measure of 4th Amendment protection, in public, all ICE agents need is a "reasonable suspicion" to stop and "probable cause" to arrest.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, ICE has been conducting operations in Minnesota that include increased visibility and enforcement actions, which can resemble roving patrols, particularly in areas with significant immigrant populations. This has raised concerns among community members about the impact on undocumented individuals and their families.
MPR News ilcm.org

We thought you knew!

I knew that advocacy groups have been saying that ICE is conducting roving patrols.

I'm asking if there is evidence of that.

A claim is not evidence. From your link:

The Immigrant Law Center of Minnesota (ILCM) strongly condemns the horrific violence perpetuated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that continues to ripple across Minnesota.

That kind of sophomoric prose has little credibility.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They have "administrative warrants" issued by DHS employees. Those allow DHS Agents to detain the subject of the warrant.

That is different than a judicial warrant which allows DHS Agents to enter and search a home, vehicle, business, etc. Such searches have to be based on propable cause and issued via an Article III Judge, not an administrative employee.

So just using the term "warrant" lacks clarity.

WW
.

Is an administrative warrant not legal?

If ICE agents have a warrant to detain a specic person, seeking him or her is not a "roving patrol," it is targeted law enforcement.

.
Amendment the 4th – Search and Seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

It says "Warrants" not "judicial warrants."

 

[mudwhistle]

The best way is "snatch and grab." Get intel on where the illegals are, show up in the middle of the night, grab them, and get the **** out.

That way, the protesters don't know what's happening and they have no time to deploy.

They posted on X that they're sending out decoys to distract the commies from their actual operations.

I would be happier if they just arrested everyone that's involved in those SIGNAL chats.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes, ICE has been conducting operations in Minnesota that include increased visibility and enforcement actions, which can resemble roving patrols, particularly in areas with significant immigrant populations. This has raised concerns among community members about the impact on undocumented individuals and their families.
MPR News ilcm.org

We thought you knew!

Yeah.....evil federal officers are going after your illegal voters...THE BASTARDS.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Is an administrative warrant not legal?

If ICE agents have a warrant to detain a specic person, seeking him or her is not a "roving patrol," it is targeted law enforcement.

It says "Warrants" not "judicial warrants."

Administrative warrant allows for the detention of an individual.

They are not judicial warrants issued under probable cause to enter and search a home, vehicle, or business. Judicial warrants, for federal purposes are issued under the authority of Article III judges based on probable cause.

WW

 

[White 6]

I knew that advocacy groups have been saying that ICE is conducting roving patrols.

I'm asking if there is evidence of that.

A claim is not evidence. From your link:

The Immigrant Law Center of Minnesota (ILCM) strongly condemns the horrific violence perpetuated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that continues to ripple across Minnesota.

That kind of sophomoric prose has little credibility.

How many more reports would you need, to recognize reality.
When Trump administration won decision on Roving Patrols in California (149 days Plus ago) from the Supreme Court, did you think the would not use it in other Democrat cities and states to terrorize the local? Or did you think communities would not be terrorized by the masked combat troops, simply because of the Supremes? Jus because somebody says you can, does not make it a good idea, or lessen the impact on normal American citizens. Now 2 are dead in lest than a month.

 

[Oddball]

Sen. Baldwin says ending ‘roving patrols,’ masked agents must be part of DHS funding bill

Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin believes immigration enforcement and border patrol agencies have gone "rogue" and she is calling for greater oversight and accountability.

www.wpr.org

Senator Baldwin (D) Wisconsin says they are and it should stop. She believes apparently that it is worth shutting the government down over that question. Partially anyway.

“We have to put an end to these roving patrols,” she said. “They’re just combing the streets, going door to door, outside our schools.”

I strongly agree - if such roving patrols are actually happening. That does not sound like the American way at all. Law enforcement should be aimed at those known or legitimately suspected to be breaking the law.

“Instead, they should be getting warrants, having targeted arrests, working with local law enforcement around those operations,” she continued.

Wait, what?

As far as I know, that is exactly what they are doing - or trying to do in some locations. they absolutely are getting warrants. I know Democrats are trying to draw a distinction based on who
Issues the warrants, but they have warrants.

i have lost track of how many times i've seen Tom Homan pleading with local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE so that they can safely arrest the criminals in jaI and can leave communities alone. It seems now he is finally getting some cooperation from Minnesota.

Still I am plenty mistrustful of government. so if anyone has any actual evidence of these roving patrols, please post it. Maybe first define what you mean by "roving patrols."

To clarify in advance, claims by lawyers or other advocates would not be evidence. Neither would claims by anonymous sources. Obviously not claims by people who were arrested and then announced that they are completely innocent victims of random arrest.

The "roving patrols" are to address and roll up the roving illegal invaders.

 

[White 6]

Yeah.....evil federal officers are going after your illegal voters...THE BASTARDS.

I don't have any illegal voters. You and I are in TN. Try to keep up.

 

[mudwhistle]

I don't have any illegal voters. You and I are in TN. Try to keep up.

I'm not in TN anymore

I moved to KS.

 

[White 6]

I'm not in TN anymore

I moved to KS.

I didn't know. Must be recent. Hope you like it there.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Administrative warrant allows for the detention of an individual.

Yes, to belabour a point not in dispute.

They are not judicial warrants issued under probable cause to enter and search a home, vehicle, or business. Judicial warrants, for federal purposes are issued under the authority of Article III judges based on probable cause.

ICE legal team disagrees. sorry for the redneck screenshot:

I am sure that you disagree with ICE Legal counsel which is fine. But do you have a court case to back up your disagreement?

Have you read Abel v. U.S. (1960)?

 

[Seymour Flops]

How many more reports would you need, to recognize reality.

It's not the number of the reports, it's the credibility of the sources.

When Trump administration won decision on Roving Patrols in California (149 days Plus ago) from the Supreme Court, did you think the would not use it in other Democrat cities and states to terrorize the local? Or did you think communities would not be terrorized by the masked combat troops, simply because of the Supremes?

The california supreme court ruled that of course ICE is allowed to conduct its operations in los angeles as in any other city.

I doubt they did that because they suddenly all became MAGA Trumpers.

Researching your response, it seems that the los angeles district judge was the one to use the phrase roving patrols in regards to the ice operations.

I don't know what he or she meant by that and I don't know what you mean by that.

To me it sounds as if they are driving around either randomly or on a route or area assigned to them looking for people who might be breaking the law. Local cops in patrol cars do that, but not ice, as far as I know, based on any evidence.

Arresting people with a warrant for their arrest is not conducting a roving patrol. The fact that they are doing - not some roving patrol - that is likely why even the california supreme court could not uphold that district court judge's ruling.

I am having to guess here because the media isn't telling the whole story, and so far, no one on this thread has been able to produce the evidence requested.

Since we're all just guessing, my guess is that in executing a warrant to arrest a particular illegal alien, they found other people who they suspected of being illegal aliens znd asked for/demanded ID. That is what the california supreme court ruled is perfectly legal.

Jus because somebody says you can, does not make it a good idea, or lessen the impact on normal American citizens.

if I find out that your guess is correct and they are simply accosting people with brown skin or with accents, then, I would absolutely agree with you.

As soon as I see the evidence of that.

Now 2 are dead in lest than a month.

Neither one of which had brown skin or an accent as far as I know. what those two had in common is that they violently attacked law enforcement officers. One of them using a deadly weapon and one of them carrying a deadly weapon.

So the lesson from their deaths is not "don't be brown" or "law enforcement is evil," but rather "do not attack law enforcement officers with deadly weapons."

If you disagree with what they are doing then peacefully protest, write your congressman, and be sure to vote.

 

[White 6]

It's not the number of the reports, it's the credibility of the sources.

The california supreme court ruled that of course ICE is allowed to conduct its operations in los angeles as in any other city.

I doubt they did that because they suddenly all became MAGA Trumpers.

Researching your response, it seems that the los angeles district judge was the one to use the phrase roving patrols in regards to the ice operations.

I don't know what he or she meant by that and I don't know what you mean by that.

To me it sounds as if they are driving around either randomly or on a route or area assigned to them looking for people who might be breaking the law. Local cops in patrol cars do that, but not ice, as far as I know, based on any evidence.

Arresting people with a warrant for their arrest is not conducting a roving patrol. The fact that they are doing - not some roving patrol - that is likely why even the california supreme court could not uphold that district court judge's ruling.

I am having to guess here because the media isn't telling the whole story, and so far, no one on this thread has been able to produce the evidence requested.

Since we're all just guessing, my guess is that in executing a warrant to arrest a particular illegal alien, they found other people who they suspected of being illegal aliens znd asked for/demanded ID. That is what the california supreme court ruled is perfectly legal.



if I find out that your guess is correct and they are simply accosting people with brown skin or with accents, then, I would absolutely agree with you.

As soon as I see the evidence of that.

Neither one of which had brown skin or an accent as far as I know. what those two had in common is that they violently attacked law enforcement officers. One of them using a deadly weapon and one of them carrying a deadly weapon.

So the lesson from their deaths is not "don't be brown" or "law enforcement is evil," but rather "do not attack law enforcement officers with deadly weapons."

If you disagree with what they are doing then peacefully protest, write your congressman, and be sure to vote.

I never thought they "all became MAGA Trumpers". Some definitely, but not all.

 

[citygator]

Sen. Baldwin says ending ‘roving patrols,’ masked agents must be part of DHS funding bill

Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin believes immigration enforcement and border patrol agencies have gone "rogue" and she is calling for greater oversight and accountability.

www.wpr.org

Senator Baldwin (D) Wisconsin says they are and it should stop. She believes apparently that it is worth shutting the government down over that question. Partially anyway.

“We have to put an end to these roving patrols,” she said. “They’re just combing the streets, going door to door, outside our schools.”

I strongly agree - if such roving patrols are actually happening. That does not sound like the American way at all. Law enforcement should be aimed at those known or legitimately suspected to be breaking the law.

“Instead, they should be getting warrants, having targeted arrests, working with local law enforcement around those operations,” she continued.

Wait, what?

As far as I know, that is exactly what they are doing - or trying to do in some locations. they absolutely are getting warrants. I know Democrats are trying to draw a distinction based on who
Issues the warrants, but they have warrants.

i have lost track of how many times i've seen Tom Homan pleading with local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE so that they can safely arrest the criminals in jaI and can leave communities alone. It seems now he is finally getting some cooperation from Minnesota.

Still I am plenty mistrustful of government. so if anyone has any actual evidence of these roving patrols, please post it. Maybe first define what you mean by "roving patrols."

To clarify in advance, claims by lawyers or other advocates would not be evidence. Neither would claims by anonymous sources. Obviously not claims by people who were arrested and then announced that they are completely innocent victims of random arrest.

ICE is a piece of shit. Defund ICE.