Is gay marriage the most important issue in the USA?

[thanatos144]

OK, one more time

If gays can enter into a civil union that gives them the exact same rights and benefits as a man/woman marriage get, where is the unequal treatment?

Ahhh...

One more time.

Many of the States that banned SSCM's a decade ago also banned Civil Unions. For example from Virginia:

"Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."​

It wasn't the gays that voted against Civil Unions, it was those opposed to ANY legal recognition for same-sex couples that did that.

Only now that SSCM has been winning in the courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box is suddenly Civil Unions supposed to be an acceptable alternative. An alternative that wasn't acceptable 10 years ago when the anti-gay crowed was in power.

There is a saying, something about reaping what you sow.


>>>>

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

The last 4 times the people have voted, they voted in favor of gay marriage. Gay marriage would pass in California right now- but luckily, the courts led the way- because courts decide Constitutional issues- like the courts have decided the constitutionality of state marriage laws three times before.

The homophobes are so desperate to attack homosexuals that they are willing to ignore the Constitution to do so.

I am not so sure about California...To many Latins and blacks for gay marriage to pass.

 

[thanatos144]

OK, one more time

If gays can enter into a civil union that gives them the exact same rights and benefits as a man/woman marriage get, where is the unequal treatment?

Ahhh...

One more time.

Many of the States that banned SSCM's a decade ago also banned Civil Unions. For example from Virginia:

"Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."​

It wasn't the gays that voted against Civil Unions, it was those opposed to ANY legal recognition for same-sex couples that did that.

Only now that SSCM has been winning in the courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box is suddenly Civil Unions supposed to be an acceptable alternative. An alternative that wasn't acceptable 10 years ago when the anti-gay crowed was in power.

There is a saying, something about reaping what you sow.


>>>>

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

 

[Syriusly]

The one demanding special treatment is you

Name this "special treatment".

You know- they think being treated equally is 'special treatment'.

Some of them are still upset at the special treatment women get by being allowed to vote.

OK, one more time

If gays can enter into a civil union that gives them the exact same rights and benefits as a man/woman marriage get, where is the unequal treatment?.

There is a word for that kind of arrangement- and that is marriage.

That is equal.

so in your mind its only equal if the same word is used to describe it?

As I said, the issue with you on the left is NOT equal treatment, its all about the word and using the government to mandate societal acceptance of homosexuality as normal.


That is what this is about and anyone with a minimal amount of common sense knows it.

I have yet to see any of you bigots display any common sense at all.

No one is offering 'civil unions' with the exact same rights and benefits as marriage. That is entirely your 'offer' on the eve of the Supreme Court deciding the issue.

States like Georgia specifically banned recognition of any 'civil unions' which had the same rights as marriage.

There is no Constitutional right to 'civil unions'- but there is a Constitutional right to equal treatment before the law. That is why there are successful civil cases against bans on same gender marriage.

Equal is equal- marriage is marriage.

 

[thanatos144]

gay couples can have the bennies, gay couples can make a legally binding commitment contract to each other, but a gay union is not a marriage, it is a gay union.

What you are trying to do by insisting on using the word "marriage" is to force societal acceptance of your sexual orientation as normal---------------but its not and never will be.

equal treatment under the law has nothing to do with the words used to describe your union.

Marriage is what is on the license. Want it changed, change it for everyone. That wouldn't satisfy Chickenfish though. He needs to feel special and set apart from "those people".

The one demanding special treatment is you

Name this "special treatment".

You want a exemption from law just because you are homosexual.....Thats special treatment.

LOL- now that is original- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

You do know that the law is applied equally to ALL right? What you are asking for is a special exception so homosexuals can feel normal. Same sex marrige is not recognized in many states no matter if you are homosexual OR heterosexual thus the law is equally applied....

 

[Syriusly]

OK, one more time

If gays can enter into a civil union that gives them the exact same rights and benefits as a man/woman marriage get, where is the unequal treatment?

Ahhh...

One more time.

Many of the States that banned SSCM's a decade ago also banned Civil Unions. For example from Virginia:

"Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."​

It wasn't the gays that voted against Civil Unions, it was those opposed to ANY legal recognition for same-sex couples that did that.

Only now that SSCM has been winning in the courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box is suddenly Civil Unions supposed to be an acceptable alternative. An alternative that wasn't acceptable 10 years ago when the anti-gay crowed was in power.

There is a saying, something about reaping what you sow.


>>>>

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

The 14th Amendment does not say anything about 'except for homosexuals'

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Person- any person.

Not just the persons you personally approve of.

 

[Syriusly]

Marriage is what is on the license. Want it changed, change it for everyone. That wouldn't satisfy Chickenfish though. He needs to feel special and set apart from "those people".

The one demanding special treatment is you

Name this "special treatment".

You want a exemption from law just because you are homosexual.....Thats special treatment.

LOL- now that is original- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

You do know that the law is applied equally to ALL right? What you are asking for is a special exception so homosexuals can feel normal. Same sex marrige is not recognized in many states no matter if you are homosexual OR heterosexual thus the law is equally applied....

No I don't know that the law is equally applied to all. Multiple courts have ruled that it is not.

And that is the issue before the Supreme Court.


Once again- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

 

[Syriusly]

OK, one more time

If gays can enter into a civil union that gives them the exact same rights and benefits as a man/woman marriage get, where is the unequal treatment?

Ahhh...

One more time.

Many of the States that banned SSCM's a decade ago also banned Civil Unions. For example from Virginia:

"Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."​

It wasn't the gays that voted against Civil Unions, it was those opposed to ANY legal recognition for same-sex couples that did that.

Only now that SSCM has been winning in the courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box is suddenly Civil Unions supposed to be an acceptable alternative. An alternative that wasn't acceptable 10 years ago when the anti-gay crowed was in power.

There is a saying, something about reaping what you sow.


>>>>

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

The last 4 times the people have voted, they voted in favor of gay marriage. Gay marriage would pass in California right now- but luckily, the courts led the way- because courts decide Constitutional issues- like the courts have decided the constitutionality of state marriage laws three times before.

The homophobes are so desperate to attack homosexuals that they are willing to ignore the Constitution to do so.

I am not so sure about California...To many Latins and blacks for gay marriage to pass.

Believe what you will.

 

[thanatos144]

The one demanding special treatment is you

Name this "special treatment".

You want a exemption from law just because you are homosexual.....Thats special treatment.

LOL- now that is original- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

You do know that the law is applied equally to ALL right? What you are asking for is a special exception so homosexuals can feel normal. Same sex marrige is not recognized in many states no matter if you are homosexual OR heterosexual thus the law is equally applied....

No I don't know that the law is equally applied to all. Multiple courts have ruled that it is not.

And that is the issue before the Supreme Court.


Once again- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

So ignoring evidence is all you have....Figures.... Now kindly **** off you have been dismissed.

 

[Seawytch]

The tax code rewards people for having children- regardless of whether or not the parents marry.
Regardless of whether or not the children are their biological children.

This thread is just about you wanting your marriage bennies, and having gay couples pay for them, while denying gay couples the same bennies.

gay couples can have the bennies, gay couples can make a legally binding commitment contract to each other, but a gay union is not a marriage, it is a gay union.

What you are trying to do by insisting on using the word "marriage" is to force societal acceptance of your sexual orientation as normal---------------but its not and never will be.

equal treatment under the law has nothing to do with the words used to describe your union.

Marriage is what is on the license. Want it changed, change it for everyone. That wouldn't satisfy Chickenfish though. He needs to feel special and set apart from "those people".

The one demanding special treatment is you

Name this "special treatment".

You want a exemption from law just because you are homosexual.....Thats special treatment.

What exemption from what law?

 

[Seawytch]

Name this "special treatment".

You want a exemption from law just because you are homosexual.....Thats special treatment.

LOL- now that is original- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

You do know that the law is applied equally to ALL right? What you are asking for is a special exception so homosexuals can feel normal. Same sex marrige is not recognized in many states no matter if you are homosexual OR heterosexual thus the law is equally applied....

No I don't know that the law is equally applied to all. Multiple courts have ruled that it is not.

And that is the issue before the Supreme Court.


Once again- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

So ignoring evidence is all you have....Figures.... Now kindly **** off you have been dismissed.

You haven't provided any evidence, just your anti gay opinion (that's losing badly)

 

[RKMBrown]

OK, one more time

If gays can enter into a civil union that gives them the exact same rights and benefits as a man/woman marriage get, where is the unequal treatment?

Ahhh...

One more time.

Many of the States that banned SSCM's a decade ago also banned Civil Unions. For example from Virginia:

"Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."​

It wasn't the gays that voted against Civil Unions, it was those opposed to ANY legal recognition for same-sex couples that did that.

Only now that SSCM has been winning in the courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box is suddenly Civil Unions supposed to be an acceptable alternative. An alternative that wasn't acceptable 10 years ago when the anti-gay crowed was in power.

There is a saying, something about reaping what you sow.


>>>>

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

The right to life is not a choice, it's a right. Get over it. Oh and the SCOTUS has ruled that marriage is a part of that right to life. See right to life in the fourteenth amendment. See SCOTUS rulings on marriage. Sorry, but the constitution is not dictated by the pope.

 

[Syriusly]

Name this "special treatment".

You want a exemption from law just because you are homosexual.....Thats special treatment.

LOL- now that is original- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

You do know that the law is applied equally to ALL right? What you are asking for is a special exception so homosexuals can feel normal. Same sex marrige is not recognized in many states no matter if you are homosexual OR heterosexual thus the law is equally applied....

No I don't know that the law is equally applied to all. Multiple courts have ruled that it is not.

And that is the issue before the Supreme Court.


Once again- asking that the Constitutional guarantees of equal treatment before the law is what you bigots call 'special treatment'

So ignoring evidence is all you have....Figures.... Now kindly **** off you have been dismissed.

You wouldn't know what evidence was if it bit you on you boney ass- all you have are you bigoted opinions.

 

[Redfish]

Ahhh...

One more time.

Many of the States that banned SSCM's a decade ago also banned Civil Unions. For example from Virginia:

"Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."​

It wasn't the gays that voted against Civil Unions, it was those opposed to ANY legal recognition for same-sex couples that did that.

Only now that SSCM has been winning in the courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box is suddenly Civil Unions supposed to be an acceptable alternative. An alternative that wasn't acceptable 10 years ago when the anti-gay crowed was in power.

There is a saying, something about reaping what you sow.


>>>>

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

The right to life is not a choice, it's a right. Get over it. Oh and the SCOTUS has ruled that marriage is a part of that right to life. See right to life in the fourteenth amendment. See SCOTUS rulings on marriage. Sorry, but the constitution is not dictated by the pope.

Hmmm, does your "right to life" argument apply to unborn human beings, or only to gay human beings? Just curious.

 

[RKMBrown]

you may be right, but lets let the people decide at the ballot box.

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

The right to life is not a choice, it's a right. Get over it. Oh and the SCOTUS has ruled that marriage is a part of that right to life. See right to life in the fourteenth amendment. See SCOTUS rulings on marriage. Sorry, but the constitution is not dictated by the pope.

Hmmm, does your "right to life" argument apply to unborn human beings, or only to gay human beings? Just curious.

Yes. IMO when a baby has brain function and a beating heart, the baby is a living human being. As such that baby deserves protection from those that would do the baby harm.

 

[LittleNipper]

The most important issue is that the United States has become anti-Christian and arrogant against proper respect of God. In fact, the Federal government presently expects much more respect for itself.

I somehow missed where the United States banned Christianity and started bulldozing churches.

They will soon enough. At least the ones that know homosexual behavior is just another sin and GOD--- not government, designated what constitutes marriage thousands of years ago.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The most important issue is that the United States has become anti-Christian and arrogant against proper respect of God. In fact, the Federal government presently expects much more respect for itself.

I somehow missed where the United States banned Christianity and started bulldozing churches.

They will soon enough. At least the ones that know homosexual behavior is just another sin and GOD--- not government, designated what constitutes marriage thousands of years ago.

You're a moron, without qualification.

 

[LittleNipper]

The most important issue is that the United States has become anti-Christian and arrogant against proper respect of God. In fact, the Federal government presently expects much more respect for itself.

I somehow missed where the United States banned Christianity and started bulldozing churches.

They will soon enough. At least the ones that know homosexual behavior is just another sin and GOD--- not government, designated what constitutes marriage thousands of years ago.

You're a moron, without qualification.

I'm a Christian and I wasn't reborn yesterday. I've seen many changes through the years and I've noted that some things remain much the same.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The most important issue is that the United States has become anti-Christian and arrogant against proper respect of God. In fact, the Federal government presently expects much more respect for itself.

I somehow missed where the United States banned Christianity and started bulldozing churches.

They will soon enough. At least the ones that know homosexual behavior is just another sin and GOD--- not government, designated what constitutes marriage thousands of years ago.

You're a moron, without qualification.

I'm a Christian and I wasn't reborn yesterday. I've seen many changes through the years and I've noted that some things remain much the same.

Try noticing reality. No one is banning Christianity or closing down churches. The hits the faith is taking is because of morons like you.

 

[Redfish]

That is the true crux of the argument....They dont want the people to decide. They dont even want each states legislation to decide for their own state. What they want is to force their lifestyle and agenda on the whole country as a stepping stone to dismantle freedom of religion. The homosexuals are so desperate to be seen as normal they sold their freedoms to the progressive party to be used as tools.

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

The right to life is not a choice, it's a right. Get over it. Oh and the SCOTUS has ruled that marriage is a part of that right to life. See right to life in the fourteenth amendment. See SCOTUS rulings on marriage. Sorry, but the constitution is not dictated by the pope.

Hmmm, does your "right to life" argument apply to unborn human beings, or only to gay human beings? Just curious.

Yes. IMO when a baby has brain function and a beating heart, the baby is a living human being. As such that baby deserves protection from those that would do the baby harm.

I don't understand how/why you equate right to life with right to gay marriage. Its totally illogical.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Do you want the states to decide if YOU can exercise your rights to life, liberty, speech, religion, gun ownership, and other types of property? If so... then lets throw out the 14th amendment and have at it.

Again mister in the closet homosexual the 14th amendment does not apply because being homosexual is a CHOICE

The right to life is not a choice, it's a right. Get over it. Oh and the SCOTUS has ruled that marriage is a part of that right to life. See right to life in the fourteenth amendment. See SCOTUS rulings on marriage. Sorry, but the constitution is not dictated by the pope.

Hmmm, does your "right to life" argument apply to unborn human beings, or only to gay human beings? Just curious.

Yes. IMO when a baby has brain function and a beating heart, the baby is a living human being. As such that baby deserves protection from those that would do the baby harm.

I don't understand how/why you equate right to life with right to gay marriage. Its totally illogical.

You're correct, there is no right to life but there is about to be to gay marriage.