Is gay marriage the most important issue in the USA?

[George Costanza]

yeah, we have been guilty of that, but its so much fun to watch the libs dodge, lie, and deflect as their ideology is destroyed by facts and logical thought.

I guess there is no room for tolerance in the conservative's definition of "logical thought."

 

[Seawytch]

Come on people. We have some real problems in this country

18 trillion in debt
half the country on some form of govt handout
deficit spending every year
no confidence in congress or the president
the mid east burning
radical islam killing thousands because or religion
more americans in poverty than ever before
hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities
racial violence in our cities

and we spend hours arguing about gay marriage???? WTF is wrong with us? And yes, I am guilty of it too.

I have made my last post on a gay thread. I hope many of you will follow suit. Let the court do its job and live with the rulings

We have much more important issues to deal with than whether two gays or lesbians can call their union a marriage.

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

You got one thing right, it's not about how YOU feeeeeeel about gays marrying, it's about equal application of the law.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

And if CC permits were treated exactly like marriage licenses, you'd have a point. They aren't so you don't.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

Do the Jews "need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings"? They are less than 2% of the population...

 

[Redfish]

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket.

Do any state allow CC permits from other states but restrict which ones they honor nor not based on the gender of the person that holds the permit?


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nope, they discriminate against all CC permit holders regardless of race, sex, or gayness. Would you support a SC decision to allow CC permits from any state to be valid in all states?

Why are you on the left afraid of letting the people decide this at the polling place?

 

[Redfish]

yeah, we have been guilty of that, but its so much fun to watch the libs dodge, lie, and deflect as their ideology is destroyed by facts and logical thought.

I guess there is no room for tolerance in the conservative's definition of "logical thought."

your post above is an intolerant post. You on the left are intolerant of anyone who dares disagree with your far left socialist marxist collectivist agenda.

there are no variables in logical thought. Logic is logic, it is based an unbiased study of the facts, without emotion or empathy or preconceived bias.

 

[Redfish]

Redfish, you are one person, and the right thinking America does not give a shit if you throw a fit about this. It is going to happen.

it may happen, and if it does I will accept the will of the people, but I will not change my thinking because some government asshole tells me that I must.

Now, if the SC rules against you, will you accept that ruling and STFU about this? yes or no.

 

[Seawytch]

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket.

Do any state allow CC permits from other states but restrict which ones they honor nor not based on the gender of the person that holds the permit?


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nope, they discriminate against all CC permit holders regardless of race, sex, or gayness. Would you support a SC decision to allow CC permits from any state to be valid in all states?

Why are you on the left afraid of letting the people decide this at the polling place?

Why do you keep bringing up completely unrelated things in your threads? If you think CC permits should be treated like Marriage Licenses, start a thread on THAT.

Would you like to have to get a new marriage license each time you move to a new state like you do a CC permit?

 

[bodecea]

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket.

Do any state allow CC permits from other states but restrict which ones they honor nor not based on the gender of the person that holds the permit?


>>>>

nope, they discriminate against all CC permit holders regardless of race, sex, or gayness. Would you support a SC decision to allow CC permits from any state to be valid in all states?

Why are you on the left afraid of letting the people decide this at the polling place?

Well, there you do. You just proved Seawytch's point for her...Well done.

 

[WorldWatcher]

nope, they discriminate against all CC permit holders regardless of race, sex, or gayness. Would you support a SC decision to allow CC permits from any state to be valid in all states?

Yes, I support peoples rights to keep and bear arms.

Why are you on the left afraid of letting the people decide this at the polling place?

I'm not a member of the left, I'm a right of center Republican and have been so since I first registered to vote in 1978.


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[JakeStarkey]

Redfish: "Now, if the SC rules against you, will you accept that ruling and STFU about this? yes or no." Of course, but I would not shut up anymore than you. But, yes, it is going to happen.

 

[RicO'Shea]

Come on people. We have some real problems in this country

18 trillion in debt
half the country on some form of govt handout
deficit spending every year
no confidence in congress or the president
the mid east burning
radical islam killing thousands because or religion
more americans in poverty than ever before
hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities
racial violence in our cities

and we spend hours arguing about gay marriage???? WTF is wrong with us? And yes, I am guilty of it too.

I have made my last post on a gay thread. I hope many of you will follow suit. Let the court do its job and live with the rulings

We have much more important issues to deal with than whether two gays or lesbians can call their union a marriage.

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

Come on people. We have some real problems in this country

18 trillion in debt
half the country on some form of govt handout
deficit spending every year
no confidence in congress or the president
the mid east burning
radical islam killing thousands because or religion
more americans in poverty than ever before
hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities
racial violence in our cities

and we spend hours arguing about gay marriage???? WTF is wrong with us? And yes, I am guilty of it too.

I have made my last post on a gay thread. I hope many of you will follow suit. Let the court do its job and live with the rulings

We have much more important issues to deal with than whether two gays or lesbians can call their union a marriage.

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

So much for the OP being the last gay thread post he makes.....once a liar always a liar, it would appear. He just can't quit the gay.

 

[RicO'Shea]

Come on people. We have some real problems in this country

18 trillion in debt
half the country on some form of govt handout
deficit spending every year
no confidence in congress or the president
the mid east burning
radical islam killing thousands because or religion
more americans in poverty than ever before
hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities
racial violence in our cities

and we spend hours arguing about gay marriage???? WTF is wrong with us? And yes, I am guilty of it too.

I have made my last post on a gay thread. I hope many of you will follow suit. Let the court do its job and live with the rulings

We have much more important issues to deal with than whether two gays or lesbians can call their union a marriage.

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

So much for the OP being the last gay thread post he makes.....once a liar always a liar, it would appear. He just can't quit the gay.

Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important to gays. Comparing your CC permit to gsy marriage is really fucked up, unless of course you want to give it a blow job. Ist Americans today approve of gay marriage, so a vote would be fine with me. You're the one that needs to grow the **** up and realize that it's a civil rights issue, and that your homophobic issues need to be dealt with through psychological therapy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I have enjoyed watching the reactionary far right "dodge, lie, and deflect as their ideology is destroyed by facts and logical thought." The facts of the situation are simple, the courts overwhelmingly agree, the last half dozen elections have fallen to the majority, which supports marriage equality. Particularly the millennials.

 

[Redfish]

nope, they discriminate against all CC permit holders regardless of race, sex, or gayness. Would you support a SC decision to allow CC permits from any state to be valid in all states?

Yes, I support peoples rights to keep and bear arms.

Why are you on the left afraid of letting the people decide this at the polling place?

I'm not a member of the left, I'm a right of center Republican and have been so since I first registered to vote in 1978.


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my comment was addressed to snake snarkey, not you.

 

[Redfish]

Redfish: "Now, if the SC rules against you, will you accept that ruling and STFU about this? yes or no." Of course, but I would not shut up anymore than you. But, yes, it is going to happen.

Yes, I will. because to do otherwise would be a waste of time and effort.

But you never answered, if they rule against you will you STFU about it? Will you accept the ruling of the highest court in the land in accordance with the constitution? yes or no.

 

[Redfish]

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

So much for the OP being the last gay thread post he makes.....once a liar always a liar, it would appear. He just can't quit the gay.

Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important to gays. Comparing your CC permit to gsy marriage is really fucked up, unless of course you want to give it a blow job. Ist Americans today approve of gay marriage, so a vote would be fine with me. You're the one that needs to grow the **** up and realize that it's a civil rights issue, and that your homophobic issues need to be dealt with through psychological therapy.

the majority does not approve of it. The very blue state of california voted it down twice.

BTW, its not homophobic to be opposed to gay marriage.

In this country we still have freedom of thought and belief, do we not?

 

[bodecea]

yeah, we have been guilty of that, but its so much fun to watch the libs dodge, lie, and deflect as their ideology is destroyed by facts and logical thought.

I guess there is no room for tolerance in the conservative's definition of "logical thought."

1996 GOP Convention in San Diego, a popular sales item was a t-shirt with "Intolerance is a Beautiful Thing".

 

[Redfish]

It IS an important issue because it calls into question the way the first amendment is defined. Since there is no definition of marriage in the constitution it cannot be interpreted to be solely between a man and a woman. Constitutionally, marriage is all inclusive, it has no limitations and the SCOTUS justices who stupidly question the "age old" definition of marriage need to recuse themselves out of sheer stupidity. This Supreme Court is a joke, but that's par for the course when rightists hold the majority.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

your post is a study in contradictions. you first admit that marriage is not addressed in any of our founding documents, and then like most leftists, try to create something that you admit does not exist.

marriage is not a constitutional right, it is a permit issued by each state, not the federal government. The constitution leaves such things to the states, therefore, the voters of each should decide.

It is an issue for the federal government to decide on. If a same sex couple is married in one state, and they need to relocate to another state that doesn't recognize their marriage it's not fair for them. This is too difficult for the simpleton right wing mind to comprehend, but it's a very distinct possibility and it gives the federal government due cause to rule on it.

Oh, its not faaaaaaaaaair, it might hurt their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings------well tough shit. Stay in a state that recognizes your gay hook up as a marriage.

My CC permit is not recognized in New Jersey or New York, so I don't go to those states with my gun in my pocket. BFD.

you gays need to grow the **** up and realize that you are less than 2% of the population and the rest of us don't have to cater to your feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

So much for the OP being the last gay thread post he makes.....once a liar always a liar, it would appear. He just can't quit the gay.

Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important to gays. Comparing your CC permit to gsy marriage is really fucked up, unless of course you want to give it a blow job. Ist Americans today approve of gay marriage, so a vote would be fine with me. You're the one that needs to grow the **** up and realize that it's a civil rights issue, and that your homophobic issues need to be dealt with through psychological therapy.

Its NOT a civil rights issue. Its a societal issue whether this society wants to sanction a gay union and call it a marriage. It has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights. That is a bullshit failed argument.

 

[WorldWatcher]

nope, they discriminate against all CC permit holders regardless of race, sex, or gayness. Would you support a SC decision to allow CC permits from any state to be valid in all states?

Yes, I support peoples rights to keep and bear arms.

Why are you on the left afraid of letting the people decide this at the polling place?

I'm not a member of the left, I'm a right of center Republican and have been so since I first registered to vote in 1978.


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my comment was addressed to snake snarkey, not you.

Go back and check, you replied to a post I made.


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[Soggy in NOLA]

Considering gays make up about 2% of the population and not 100% of that number care about gay marriage, I'd say it is of no real consequence. What this is really about is chipping away at tradition. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[bodecea]

Considering gays make up about 2% of the population and not 100% of that number care about gay marriage, I'd say it is of no real consequence. What this is really about is chipping away at tradition. Nothing more, nothing less.

So....what does being about 2% of the population have to do with this?