Is college really worth it as a conservative?

[Unkotare]

I've... heard differently, honestly. I wanted to go to BYU for a long time on the understanding that they have an outstanding language program. I reconsidered when I realized that, if that was the name on my resume, then every future employer would assume I was Mormon. I'm not, but I have several close friends who are and I'm friendly enough to the church as a whole. I've already seen the level of prejudice people have against them throughout the years. I considered an Orthodox school for the same reason - an excellent humanities program that wouldn't be dominated by nutjobs and freshly released Marxist terrorists. I dropped that consideration for the same reason.

Sounds like some chickenshit decision making.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well Pedro, take it from this old blue collar liberal, if you are that afraid of everything, don't even bother with an education. For you will meet many people of differant nationalities, religions, and cultures in doing so. You might even find yourself having to acknowledge that they are actually human beings.

As for the rest of the silliness, I have never met a communist integral, or a socialistic center of momentum. Not even a capitalistic center of mass. Nor any fascist strata, or nazi magma. Guess I am going to the wrong university.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Well Pedro, take it from this old blue collar liberal, if you are that afraid of everything, don't even bother with an education. For you will meet many people of differant nationalities, religions, and cultures in doing so. You might even find yourself having to acknowledge that they are actually human beings.

As for the rest of the silliness, I have never met a communist integral, or a socialistic center of momentum. Not even a capitalistic center of mass. Nor any fascist strata, or nazi magma. Guess I am going to the wrong university.

See, this is what I was talking about. If you don't hold the same opinions on everything they do, then well... obviously you don't think anyone else is a human being and you're probably racist, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, and racist. This is exactly why I'm trying to find alternatives to having to be around your kind of people for four years just to continue my career as a civilian. -.-

 

[daveman]

So I didn't really get a good education back home. It was honestly mostly my fault. (I showed up pretty much when I wanted throughout senior year and graduated high school with something like a 1.7 GPA). Now that I have a decent job in the military and a place to live I've been thinking a lot about trying to further my education. That just seems like the next logical step after escaping from backwards Southern poverty, you know? It's just... I've been weighing the pros and cons of it...

On the one hand, it'd be an interesting experience and I've always been in love with learning. (Seriously, despite the above I taught myself Latin in art class and spent my personal time reading Cicero and learning genetics and history.) That a degree is basically mandatory for any civilian job worth having also helps. On the other, even liberals I know tell me the rumors of censorship and intolerance are, in many cases, more true than not. I don't really want to waste the tax payers' money (my GI Bill) learning and pretending to go along with why some nutjob professor thinks Hamas is a misunderstood social justice organization just to get a degree in Arabic, and I really don't think I could handle having to pick between endorsing left wing causes (especially the more extreme elements like abortion, feminism, and Communism) or shutting up and keeping my head down.

Is it really worth four years of total marginalization/indoctrination just to have a shot at any kind of quality standard of living? Are there any schools actually about teaching students how to think rather than what to believe? How could someone go about enrolling there?

Trade school. Get a technical education in a skilled trade.

You can start to work immediately after graduation. You won't struggle to find a job as an Engineer of Womyn's Studies.

I used my GI Bill bennies to go to the local technical college for welding classes. A kid a couple semesters ahead of me asked the instructor if he knew of any jobs. He made a call to a buddy and found that a company welding gas pipeline in Eastern KY was hiring certified welders -- starting out at $70K + housing allowance + per diem. If they had their own welding truck, it was $100K.

No liberal arts major is gonna start out at that kind of money.

The skilled trades gap is real, and getting worse.

America s Skilled Trades Dilemma Shortages Loom As Most-In-Demand Group Of Workers Ages - Forbes

Caterpillar Skills Gap

Mike Rowe is pointing out the gap, and his foundation is offering scholarships to kids who want to get into skilled trades.

Profoundly Disconnected

A four-year-degree is increasingly useless. Get a skill in half the time that pays twice the money, and do something satisfying.

And best of all, you won't have to put up with progressive bullshit.

 

[daveman]

Conservatives need college more than liberals. Being forced to live with other people with different ideas, other skin colors, etc. benefits conservatives more than liberals.

Uh huh. Ask a sociology professor that if diversity is go great, how many conservatives are on staff.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, since I have more than 50 years in the work force, and there are a lot of people out there like myself, guess you better go on welfare and stay out of the workforce. Just rent yourself a single wide south of the Mason-Dixon line, go on welfare, and get supported like the rest of your kind by we working folks. And, before you say it, my dd214 states Honorable. You see, you are coming across as bigoted, racist, and ignorant by what you post, not what anyone is saying about you.

Education involves learning new things, absorbing new concepts, hard to do if you already know everything. People like you go into an educational institution with a chip on your shoulder, and a determination not to let anyone show you anything, then wonder why you fail. And you blame the 'liberal' institution.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Well, since I have more than 50 years in the work force, and there are a lot of people out there like myself, guess you better go on welfare and stay out of the workforce. Just rent yourself a single wide south of the Mason-Dixon line, go on welfare, and get supported like the rest of your kind by we working folks. And, before you say it, my dd214 states Honorable. You see, you are coming across as bigoted, racist, and ignorant by what you post, not what anyone is saying about you.

Education involves learning new things, absorbing new concepts, hard to do if you already know everything. People like you go into an educational institution with a chip on your shoulder, and a determination not to let anyone show you anything, then wonder why you fail. And you blame the 'liberal' institution.

I come across as bigoted because I don't want to be marginalized or harassed for my political persuasion and won't pay you for the privilege? You would prefer I throw my life away moving back into the Alabama trailer parks when I just got done scraping my way out of there? And you have a DD 214? Jesus Christ that's depressing...

 

[Old Rocks]

So I didn't really get a good education back home. It was honestly mostly my fault. (I showed up pretty much when I wanted throughout senior year and graduated high school with something like a 1.7 GPA). Now that I have a decent job in the military and a place to live I've been thinking a lot about trying to further my education. That just seems like the next logical step after escaping from backwards Southern poverty, you know? It's just... I've been weighing the pros and cons of it...

On the one hand, it'd be an interesting experience and I've always been in love with learning. (Seriously, despite the above I taught myself Latin in art class and spent my personal time reading Cicero and learning genetics and history.) That a degree is basically mandatory for any civilian job worth having also helps. On the other, even liberals I know tell me the rumors of censorship and intolerance are, in many cases, more true than not. I don't really want to waste the tax payers' money (my GI Bill) learning and pretending to go along with why some nutjob professor thinks Hamas is a misunderstood social justice organization just to get a degree in Arabic, and I really don't think I could handle having to pick between endorsing left wing causes (especially the more extreme elements like abortion, feminism, and Communism) or shutting up and keeping my head down.

Is it really worth four years of total marginalization/indoctrination just to have a shot at any kind of quality standard of living? Are there any schools actually about teaching students how to think rather than what to believe? How could someone go about enrolling there?

Trade school. Get a technical education in a skilled trade.

You can start to work immediately after graduation. You won't struggle to find a job as an Engineer of Womyn's Studies.

I used my GI Bill bennies to go to the local technical college for welding classes. A kid a couple semesters ahead of me asked the instructor if he knew of any jobs. He made a call to a buddy and found that a company welding gas pipeline in Eastern KY was hiring certified welders -- starting out at $70K + housing allowance + per diem. If they had their own welding truck, it was $100K.

No liberal arts major is gonna start out at that kind of money.

The skilled trades gap is real, and getting worse.

America s Skilled Trades Dilemma Shortages Loom As Most-In-Demand Group Of Workers Ages - Forbes

Caterpillar Skills Gap

Mike Rowe is pointing out the gap, and his foundation is offering scholarships to kids who want to get into skilled trades.

Profoundly Disconnected

A four-year-degree is increasingly useless. Get a skill in half the time that pays twice the money, and do something satisfying.

And best of all, you won't have to put up with progressive bullshit.

Well, Daveman, on this, you are correct. I am 71 years old, about 50 years experiance as a millwright. 6 of the last seven years, my gross income has been right at 100K, + or - a couple. And I avoid overtime. Our electricians make more. And we need both millwrights and electricians, and are having a hard time finding qualified people to fill the vacancies.

 

[sealybobo]

So I didn't really get a good education back home. It was honestly mostly my fault. (I showed up pretty much when I wanted throughout senior year and graduated high school with something like a 1.7 GPA). Now that I have a decent job in the military and a place to live I've been thinking a lot about trying to further my education. That just seems like the next logical step after escaping from backwards Southern poverty, you know? It's just... I've been weighing the pros and cons of it...

On the one hand, it'd be an interesting experience and I've always been in love with learning. (Seriously, despite the above I taught myself Latin in art class and spent my personal time reading Cicero and learning genetics and history.) That a degree is basically mandatory for any civilian job worth having also helps. On the other, even liberals I know tell me the rumors of censorship and intolerance are, in many cases, more true than not. I don't really want to waste the tax payers' money (my GI Bill) learning and pretending to go along with why some nutjob professor thinks Hamas is a misunderstood social justice organization just to get a degree in Arabic, and I really don't think I could handle having to pick between endorsing left wing causes (especially the more extreme elements like abortion, feminism, and Communism) or shutting up and keeping my head down.

Is it really worth four years of total marginalization/indoctrination just to have a shot at any kind of quality standard of living? Are there any schools actually about teaching students how to think rather than what to believe? How could someone go about enrolling there?

Just go get your degree. Your experience should be worth some college credits. Dantes I think its called? And you can CLEP test out of 30 credits. Humanities math English social sciences electives stuff like this. Save time and money this way.

I'm a liberal and went to college with a lot of conservatives. They survived it. Most of the classes in college are bullshit but you gotta play the game.

Pick something specific. Hr or IT or engineering. Don't just get a marketing or communications degree or history major either.

Its the first two years of general studies your referring to. Once you're in your major its not at all political brainwashing liberal stuff. Just the hard stuff. Good luck. Glad I'm done. Wasn't easy for me. I had bad grades in highschool too but loved college life so much I did whatever it took to not move back home with mom and dad. Very controlling Greek parents.

PS. My brother went the extra mile and got a masters from a great school. So get into the best school you can, pick a specific industry or degree and if you can get your masters. He makes over $500k now. But don't get a masters from a generic school unless your job is paying for you to get a degree. If you get a university of phoenix masters degree you'll never be hired by a great company. Your military background should help.

 

[sealybobo]

Opps you said you were in the military. Free school. OSU is a very good school and the city of Columbus is very nice and everybody who comes here loves it. It has the 27th best business/accounting program in the country. It also has one of the best medical programs in the country and we have over 5 hospitals here in columbus alone. Including OSU hospital connected to OSU university. You'll have no issue getting a job. No matter what you go for.

Fuck OSU go to MSU or UofM. Lol

 

[Vigilante]

An Ivy League college is not worth it, unless you have a job lined up as a CommiecRAT politicians assistant...this way, you can claim the seat of your boss when he leaves. You have an already made home in that district that is undoubtedly filled with absolutely CRAZY people!

 

[sealybobo]

Well Pedro, take it from this old blue collar liberal, if you are that afraid of everything, don't even bother with an education. For you will meet many people of differant nationalities, religions, and cultures in doing so. You might even find yourself having to acknowledge that they are actually human beings.

As for the rest of the silliness, I have never met a communist integral, or a socialistic center of momentum. Not even a capitalistic center of mass. Nor any fascist strata, or nazi magma. Guess I am going to the wrong university.

See, this is what I was talking about. If you don't hold the same opinions on everything they do, then well... obviously you don't think anyone else is a human being and you're probably racist, xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, and racist. This is exactly why I'm trying to find alternatives to having to be around your kind of people for four years just to continue my career as a civilian. -.-

You should take conservatives advice and start your own business. Then maybe you'll realize they've rigged the rules so its virtually impossible for a small business to make it unless you got some money to get you started.

Better you go get a good liberal education and then go be a conservative dick in some corporation. You ll fit in nicely. There you can forget everything you learned in college. Lol

If youre going to start a business don't waste the time or money on college. Just start saving your money now cause you'll need it. And good luck finding good help cause as a conservative you'll either pay minimum wage or hire an illegal worker and claim their doing a job americans won't do.

By the way. I thought it was easy to make it in america? You come say it just takes brains and hard work. What's the problem?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

PEDRO DE SAN PATRICIO SAID:

“You're only allowed to have different ideas if they're the right ideas.”

Incorrect.

You're allowed to have any ideas you want, you're also allowed to decide for yourself whether those ideas are right or wrong.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

You should take conservatives advice and start your own business. Then maybe you'll realize they've rigged the rules so its virtually impossible for a small business to make it unless you got some money to get you started.

Better you go get a good liberal education and then go be a conservative dick in some corporation. You ll fit in nicely. There you can forget everything you learned in college. Lol

If youre going to start a business don't waste the time or money on college. Just start saving your money now cause you'll need it. And good luck finding good help cause as a conservative you'll either pay minimum wage or hire an illegal worker and claim their doing a job americans won't do.

By the way. I thought it was easy to make it in america? You come say it just takes brains and hard work. What's the problem?

We've never discussed these issues before, actually. Not minimum wage. Not hiring illegal immigrants. Not corporate power. None of it has ever come up between us until you just attempted to hijack one of my old threads to berate me for beliefs you presume that I have.

 

[sealybobo]

You should take conservatives advice and start your own business. Then maybe you'll realize they've rigged the rules so its virtually impossible for a small business to make it unless you got some money to get you started.

Better you go get a good liberal education and then go be a conservative dick in some corporation. You ll fit in nicely. There you can forget everything you learned in college. Lol

If youre going to start a business don't waste the time or money on college. Just start saving your money now cause you'll need it. And good luck finding good help cause as a conservative you'll either pay minimum wage or hire an illegal worker and claim their doing a job americans won't do.

By the way. I thought it was easy to make it in america? You come say it just takes brains and hard work. What's the problem?

We've never discussed these issues before, actually. Not minimum wage. Not hiring illegal immigrants. Not corporate power. None of it has ever come up between us until you just attempted to hijack one of my old threads to berate me for beliefs you presume that I have.

You seem to have issues with libs. I'm just busting balls. Lol

 

[ScienceRocks]

Depends on what it is...If it is math, science, engineering, doctors, etc. It is without question worth it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Pedro, I would prefer that you go on to get as much education as you can handle. But if you go in with a chip on your shoulder, and a know-it-all attitude, you will fail. And the failure will be on you, not the institution.

Real education is neither conservative or liberal. It is learning the realities of the world. .