Is China a threat to world peace?

[GHook93]

They are too busy kicking the West's ass in the Trade War! This year China official surpassed the US in the manufactured goods sector, how long before the surpass our GDP?

We should be less afraid of China's military and more afraid of their US killing economy!

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[dilloduck]

They are too busy kicking the West's ass in the Trade War! This year China official surpassed the US in the manufactured goods sector, how long before the surpass our GDP?

We should be less afraid of China's military and more afraid of their US killing economy!

Economyincrisis.org - America's Economic Report - Daily

I thought economic disasters were the biggest threat to world peace .

 

[GHook93]

I thought economic disasters were the biggest threat to world peace .

Definitely a cause! And I guess I know where your going with that. If China has an economic disaster they will for some reason pick a fight with Europe! Can't see it happening. I think China will be on a boom for another 20-30 years!

Note: I also heard theory with the male-female ratios very male oriented and with the ever increasing male population to ever decreasing female population, that a nation of a billion virgins is going to be very frustrated and it will boil over into war with someone somewhere. I don't buy it!

 

[chloe]

yes China "the dragon" is a threat

 

[mightypeon]

That may sound alarmist, but I am more worried about the US. At the moment, Chinas economy is stronger than its military, so China will now and in the near future use economic force to further their aims. With the US its different, still strong military but the economic base is breaking apart. This may tempt the US to use its military before they can no longer afford it.

China has the Taiwan issue, but at the moment it seems that Taiwan is going the way of Hongkong, which is propably the best thing for everyone.
Tibet, well, the Dalai Lama and friends are getting serious since the Chinese are quite close to succesfully "sinificate" the province, time is working for them which means they wont turn aggressive.

China could mean trouble for Russia, as a matter of fact there were armed border clashes in the 1970s, however they now joined together in their own Nato equivalent.
Besides China propably made the wise decision that paying Russia for its resources is smarter than fighting them for it.

I can see them flexing their muscles, but I would not know why they should start a war anytime soon.


P.S. Regarding the Iran issue:
China sees it like that: Iran does not like Israel. Israel is seen as something akin to an American Vasall. Precisly why should China forfeit their interests in the Iran trade to accomodate Israel? They may do so, but only for a price.

P.P.S.
In the last 10 years, the USA conducted major military operations in Jugoslavia, Afghanistan and Irak. The last time China went to war was against Vietnam (leading to the Vietnamese increasing their count of recently defeated major powers to 3) was shortly after the USA left. Ho Chi Minhs gouverment allied with the USSR (historically, relations between China and Dai Viet/Vientaine were quite hostile, and an alliance with the USA was out of the question), when Vietnam invaded Cambodia with the goal of overthrowing the Red Khmer (which they did), China in response invaded Vietnam, failed to make any inroads against heavily outnumbered Vietnamese militias and quickly ran away when the Vietnamese regular troops began to appear on the scene.

 

[AllieBaba]

I think many would ask the very same questions in 1900 about USA. So why are you so worried?

And no i dont see China as a bigger threat to stablity so i cant understand why you are so worried.

Thank you for speaking, village idiot.

Yes, China is a threat.

The difference between a communist country and a republic is the overweening desire of communism to spread and conquer. In the name of "the people" of course, they march into villages, kill off those who oppose them and arm children telling them "either fight with us or die with your family".

 

[editec]

China has never traditionally been very imperialistic.

They are occupying pretty much everything (except Taiwan) that they think is historically China.

So I would not be worried too much about them becoming another United States of America sending troops willynilly all over the globe.

China actually depends on America continuing to bankrupt its working class so that their economic system doesn't start to unravel, I suspect.

Of course, they'll become the dominant economic power if things don't change, and they WILL use that power to continue helping their people, too.

Given that, we might want to consider oursourcing our government, since at least their leadership understanda that their role is to serve their people.

Our leadership seems to have forgotten that's why they're in power.

 

[AllieBaba]

Spoken like a true idiot.

 

[AllieBaba]

"As weaponry gets more and more sophisticated . . . I think we'll find ourselves more vulnerable for parts that are being manufactured by an adversary. It's really something the Pentagon needs to look at seriously," said commission member Bill Reinsch, also president of the National Foreign Trade Council, which promotes free trade on behalf of businesses.

"Commission members said the group had never delved so deeply into national security issues.

The report said that China's military advances "have surprised U.S. defense and intelligence officials, and raised questions about the quality of our assessments of China's military capabilities."
China's spying poses threat to US technology secrets, panel says - The Boston Globe

Some scholars fear that democracy can unleash strong nationalism and popular nationalism can make China even more aggressive toward the United States. Third, the collapse of China. Opposed to the previous two perspectives, some people are concerned that if China suffers a Soviet-style sudden-death syndrome and spins out of control, it can create an even worse scenario. The sheer size of the population makes refuge problem, the failed state and the followed crises (warlordism, civil war, crime, proliferation of nuclear weapons, etc) impossible for the world to deal with. "
"China Threat" or a "Peaceful Rise of China"? - New York Times

"China is I think the first example of a country which has done astonishingly well in this international system, but challenges its basic foundations.

"And its challenge is welcomed by autocracies which are a lot less successful, for example, dictatorships in Africa," he said."
BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | 'China is a threat to democracy'

China's intelligence services are mounting wide-ranging efforts to acquire U.S. technology and are among the most active of nearly 100 nations whose spying has undermined U.S. military advantages, according to a senior U.S. counterintelligence official.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2005/sep/28/20050928-112003-8646r/
Having a Chinese wife, tutoring a Chinese scholar, and having visited China last year, I agree with you that America is in mortal danger.

Maybe we cannot elect a president who sees this, but we can try to awaken more people to speak up to the politicians.
Newsmax.com - China Threat Resonates With American Public

 

[AllieBaba]

"As weaponry gets more and more sophisticated . . . I think we'll find ourselves more vulnerable for parts that are being manufactured by an adversary. It's really something the Pentagon needs to look at seriously," said commission member Bill Reinsch, also president of the National Foreign Trade Council, which promotes free trade on behalf of businesses.

"Commission members said the group had never delved so deeply into national security issues.

The report said that China's military advances "have surprised U.S. defense and intelligence officials, and raised questions about the quality of our assessments of China's military capabilities."
China's spying poses threat to US technology secrets, panel says - The Boston Globe

Some scholars fear that democracy can unleash strong nationalism and popular nationalism can make China even more aggressive toward the United States. Third, the collapse of China. Opposed to the previous two perspectives, some people are concerned that if China suffers a Soviet-style sudden-death syndrome and spins out of control, it can create an even worse scenario. The sheer size of the population makes refuge problem, the failed state and the followed crises (warlordism, civil war, crime, proliferation of nuclear weapons, etc) impossible for the world to deal with. "
"China Threat" or a "Peaceful Rise of China"? - New York Times

"China is I think the first example of a country which has done astonishingly well in this international system, but challenges its basic foundations.

"And its challenge is welcomed by autocracies which are a lot less successful, for example, dictatorships in Africa," he said."
BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | 'China is a threat to democracy'

China's intelligence services are mounting wide-ranging efforts to acquire U.S. technology and are among the most active of nearly 100 nations whose spying has undermined U.S. military advantages, according to a senior U.S. counterintelligence official.
Washington Times - China a 'central' spying threat
Having a Chinese wife, tutoring a Chinese scholar, and having visited China last year, I agree with you that America is in mortal danger.

Maybe we cannot elect a president who sees this, but we can try to awaken more people to speak up to the politicians.
Newsmax.com - China Threat Resonates With American Public

 

[mightypeon]

I agree that China likes to control stuff which it considers to be China.
Does anyone here live in Tibet or Taiwan?
And as I said, China is propably more fond of returning Taiwan Hongkong style than waging a war there.
Regarding Chinese Spying: Yes, they spy a lot. If I would be Hu Jintao I would spy even more. One can estimate that the current technological disadvantadge leads to soem 300.000 deaths per year (due to excess exological poisoning, poor health care and surveilliance etc), so of course they spy. I would rather sell them the technologies for hard cash though.

 

[editec]

If China's economy is dependent of America buying their crap, and I think it is, and if their governments stability is dependent on the Chinese people continuing to become more affluent, and I think that is true, too, then the Chinese government might actually be in MORE TROUBLE than ours is.

China has never had the opportunity to be very imperialistic.

When it was a world power it was isolationist.

If it suddenly finds it's having trouble feeding its people, again, I expect they'll be too busy dealing with than to go after the West.

Certainly not a long as we've got tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, at least.

 

[geonerd20]

China wants to be recognized as a world superpower, and is doing exactly what the US and the USSR did during the decades of the Cold War. Do you think the US was promoting World Peace when it used the Pakistan military intelligence service to funnel money and arms to the earliest versions of the Taliban and Al Qaida? How was the US stabilizing the world when it provided logistical support for Saddam Hussein to use mustard gas and other chemical weapons during the Gulf War? How was the USSR helping the world when it invaded Afghanistan? This, unfortunately, is the way of this world!

 

[ModernLogic]

China wants to be recognized as a world superpower, and is doing exactly what the US and the USSR did during the decades of the Cold War. Do you think the US was promoting World Peace when it used the Pakistan military intelligence service to funnel money and arms to the earliest versions of the Taliban and Al Qaida? How was the US stabilizing the world when it provided logistical support for Saddam Hussein to use mustard gas and other chemical weapons during the Gulf War? How was the USSR helping the world when it invaded Afghanistan? This, unfortunately, is the way of this world!

are you suggesting that china is also funneling money to various radical causes in an effort to de-stablize the globe?

 

[GHook93]

China has never traditionally been very imperialistic.

They are occupying pretty much everything (except Taiwan) that they think is historically China.

Regardless of their reasoning they have been very imperialistic.

(1) First Chinese-Japanese War: Unlike the 2nd one, this was more of both countries aggression. Here China was forced to relinquish Korea and Taiwan (giving them independence) 1894-1895
(2) 2ns Chinese-Japense War: Without a doubt due to Japense imperalism
(3) Chinese Civil War: 1927-1950
(4) French-Chinese War: 1884-1885. This was French imperalism, but not over Chinese lands, rather in China's sphere of influence.
(5) India-Chinese War: 1962. A clear cut Chinese imperalistic war of aggression. They sought to take lands from China. Plain and simple
(6) China-Soviet Battle: 1929
(7) China-Tibet: 1950-1951. Rather the Chinese invasion, occupation and slaughter
(8) Chinese-Vietnam War: Spartic fighting. The bloodiest in 1979, estimates of dead Chinese range from 6.4K-26K. Lasted until 1988, with China annexing Vietnamese territory - stemming form China's support of Khmer Rouge and desire to take Vietnamese lands
(9) Russia-Chinese War: 1969 - Stemming from China's desire to take Zhenbao Island, which they eventually got after the fall of the USSR.

 

[editec]

Regardless of their reasoning they have been very imperialistic.

(1) First Chinese-Japanese War: Unlike the 2nd one, this was more of both countries aggression. Here China was forced to relinquish Korea and Taiwan (giving them independence) 1894-1895

War of Japanese imperialism AGAINST CHINA? That makes then anti-imperialistic

(2) 2ns Chinese-Japense War: Without a doubt due to Japense imperalism

War of Japanese imperialism AGAINST CHINA. That makes then anti-imperialistic

(3) Chinese Civil War: 1927-1950

Clearly a revolution is NOT imperiaism.

(4) French-Chinese War: 1884-1885. This was French imperalism, but not over Chinese lands, rather in China's sphere of influence.

War of FRENCH imperialism AGAINST CHINA. That makes then anti-imperialistic

(5) India-Chinese War: 1962. A clear cut Chinese imperalistic war of aggression. They sought to take lands from China. Plain and simple

A border dispute is imperialism? Since when?

(6) China-Soviet Battle: 1929

A border dispute is imperialism? Since when?

(7) China-Tibet: 1950-1951. Rather the Chinese invasion, occupation and slaughter

The relationship twix Tibet and China is way more complex that you think it is.

I have attempted to unravel this relationship, and it is so ASIAN, that for the life of me I cannot figure it out. It's too mideval to really grasp.

I think Tibet should be free, too. It has NEVER been free in the way we typically think of a free nation though. .

You need to read more about the long long LONG relationship between these two nations to be as confused as I am about it. You won't unravel it using the WESTERN theory of what makes a nation UNLESS you go back to mideval times and even then it bearly makes sense.

Seriously, if you read enough about this complex relationship, you will understand that you and I will never understand it.

Bear in mind that I think this and STILL BELIEVE that the China should get the fuck out of Tibet.

(8) Chinese-Vietnam War: Spartic fighting. The bloodiest in 1979, estimates of dead Chinese range from 6.4K-26K. Lasted until 1988, with China annexing Vietnamese territory - stemming form China's support of Khmer Rouge and desire to take Vietnamese lands.

The Chinese actions here were heroic, not imperialistic.

Who did they crush? A freaking monster, that's who. I aplaude the Chinese for stepping in to settle the madness that had griped that society. (which the USA actually cased, BTW)

(9) Russia-Chinese War: 1969 - Stemming from China's desire to take Zhenbao Island, which they eventually got after the fall of the USSR.

Where is Mocow in relation to that Island?

Where is Peking in relation to that island?

 

[GHook93]

Funny how the left is so willing to protect China, Russia, Iran or other tyranical regimes, but jump all over America if the President farts in public!

War of Japanese imperialism AGAINST CHINA? That makes then anti-imperialistic




War of Japanese imperialism AGAINST CHINA. That makes then anti-imperialistic



Clearly a revolution is NOT imperiaism.



War of FRENCH imperialism AGAINST CHINA. That makes then anti-imperialistic



A border dispute is imperialism? Since when?



A border dispute is imperialism? Since when?



The relationship twix Tibet and China is way more complex that you think it is.

I have attempted to unravel this relationship, and it is so ASIAN, that for the life of me I cannot figure it out. It's too mideval to really grasp.

I think Tibet should be free, too. It has NEVER been free in the way we typically think of a free nation though. .

You need to read more about the long long LONG relationship between these two nations to be as confused as I am about it. You won't unravel it using the WESTERN theory of what makes a nation UNLESS you go back to mideval times and even then it bearly makes sense.

Seriously, if you read enough about this complex relationship, you will understand that you and I will never understand it.

Bear in mind that I think this and STILL BELIEVE that the China should get the fuck out of Tibet.




The Chinese actions here were heroic, not imperialistic.

Who did they crush? A freaking monster, that's who. I aplaude the Chinese for stepping in to settle the madness that had griped that society. (which the USA actually cased, BTW)




Where is Mocow in relation to that Island?

Where is Peking in relation to that island?

 

[AllieBaba]

ANy country that sees its own children as disposable is a threat to everyone.

 

[Kenny]

China is probably the biggest threat to world peace. Not so much on what they might do in the future, but on what they do not do now. They could easily step up pressure on countries like North Korea and Iran to stop all the bullshit that is going on, but no, they stop any efforts to harm these destabilizing governments. Its disgusting how the world media treats the U.S. as if everything is our fault and we are the villians of the world (with our "torture policies"), yet China gets a free pass when it could be doing much more to keep the world's tyrants in check(nevermind their own human rights records).

China being non-interventionist in regards to North Korea and Iran is not a sign of a threat to world peace. If anything, it shows that China believes in securing their own nation's future rather then threatening the future of others. As for Tibet, it would be no different in the United State if for instance, the Native Americans and Mexicans decided they wanted their land back to start their own nation or even their own state exempt from federal law.

Thank you for speaking, village idiot.

Yes, China is a threat.

The difference between a communist country and a republic is the overweening desire of communism to spread and conquer. In the name of "the people" of course, they march into villages, kill off those who oppose them and arm children telling them "either fight with us or die with your family".

Your comments are pretty short sighted. Firstly, China is not communist. You can yell it to the top of your lungs, but communism would not be in China's economic interest. A better argument would be that China is authoritarian. As for the "republic" not having a desire to spread, that is ridiculous. The United States and Western Europe has pretty much forced the "republic" on every single nation under their influence. We have used military, political, and economic power to force our government force on other nations. We have gone as far as used government sponsored terrorism to overthrow differing government forces, particularly those with economies based on full socialism.

 

[mightypeon]

Pardon editec, but as far as I got it, the Chinese Vietnamese War went like that:
1. Red Khmer start to include ethnic Vietnamese in their general killing spree
2. Vietnam is suitably pissed and sends its regular army
3. Vietnamese regular army shows that fighting and defeating the USA is a better way of gaining military experience than shooting everyone who wears glasses, and beats the snot out of the Red Khmer
4. China invades Northern Vietnam as a "punishment" expedition due to the Vietnamese intervention in Khambodia
5. China fails to make any headway against Vietnamese militieas
6. China declares its "punishment expedition" a success and quickly runs away when Vietnamese regulars turn up.

Mind you, any nation is aggressive if it is lead by someone like Mao.