Is banning guns to save lives even logical?

[miketx]

What a load of shit. An AR-15 is functionally no different than a .223 semi-auto hunting rifle. Are you one of those retarded loons who think the color black with plastic and composite parts make a firearm some kind of doomsday device ?

That is true if the 'hunting rifle' will take large capacity interchangeable magazines. Over 5 is large capacity in this scenario. If the 'hunting rifle' won't take those magazines it is definitely functionally dissimilar to an AR15.

Okay, here is a refresher course of why an AR is an AR. We go through this about every other month or so. Seems the gunnutters think the rest of us forget.

Why was the AR-15 invented?

It was invented so that an 18 year old kid with very little training, right out of basic, can kill at a high rate as many people as he can, reload quickly and effortlessly, carry many times the ammo of the previous combat rifles, carry his rifle for hours, days and weeks on end without fatigue. Nothing was included for cosmetics. It's design is function only. And it's function is to kill other people. It's design is the best design in the world and all others successful combat rifles have copied the AR in functions.

Being black doesn't make it more lethal. It would be just as lethal if it were pink but it's black because it's hard to see at night, another function. The Mag drops straight down without having to even place a hand on it so that you can drop it while reaching for a replacement mag. Another feature. You can operate it without taking your finger out of the trigger guard. Another feature. You don't have to rotate the rifle to reload or recharge it. Another feature. It has almost zero barrel jump. Another feature. It's simple to operate for a novice shooter or a new combat shooter under extreme pressure under fire. Another feature. It's just deadly enough to get the job done against a human sized target. Another feature. There are methods to add rails to it to add combat related accessories to increase it's deadliness. Another feature.

There are no features that don't apply to killing human beings. No features to make it look pretty. No features to apply lip gloss or anything else that doesn't have anything to do with killing humans. Just because it can be used to kill a groundhog doesn't means it's designed as a great varmint rifle. If I need to hammer something and the hammer is in the shop, I've been know to use a crescent wrench in a pinch. Does that make my crescent wrench a hammer?

The fact remains that the AR is designed for one thing and one thing only, to wholesale kill a large group of people in the most efficient method possible. And even the M-16 and the M-4 is normally operated in combat in the semi auto mode because that is the most efficient mode. The Full Auto of the old A-1 and A-2 wasted way too much ammo and missed the target most of the time and the 3 shot burst, only the first round hits the target anyway and you just wasted 2 rounds. So in combat, most are shot in the semi auto setting because that is the setting where it is the most useful. So the AR-15 Model 750 and various clones are just as deadly as the M-16 and the M-4 and the M-16 and the M-4 are the premier Combat Rifles in the world because they are designed to be. Not one ounce of design for anything other than that of a combat rifle.

So what is an AR-15? A Combat Rifle and if it's not the best, it's one of the best ever made.

Lol
ARs make for great hunting rifles, After all they just sporting rifles is nothing more nothing less. And they certainly are not military grade.
Buy more guns and ammo...
The Most Versatile Semi-Automatic Rifles

Great alternatives for people that don’t want to buy something like this piece of shit...

That piece of Shit is a wonderful rifle that will shoot circles around an AR. I can light matches at 250 yds with it in almost any caliber. And it looks damned good. Especially waxed and polished up.

Fake news.

 

[Rustic]

What a load of shit. An AR-15 is functionally no different than a .223 semi-auto hunting rifle. Are you one of those retarded loons who think the color black with plastic and composite parts make a firearm some kind of doomsday device ?

That is true if the 'hunting rifle' will take large capacity interchangeable magazines. Over 5 is large capacity in this scenario. If the 'hunting rifle' won't take those magazines it is definitely functionally dissimilar to an AR15.

Okay, here is a refresher course of why an AR is an AR. We go through this about every other month or so. Seems the gunnutters think the rest of us forget.

Why was the AR-15 invented?

It was invented so that an 18 year old kid with very little training, right out of basic, can kill at a high rate as many people as he can, reload quickly and effortlessly, carry many times the ammo of the previous combat rifles, carry his rifle for hours, days and weeks on end without fatigue. Nothing was included for cosmetics. It's design is function only. And it's function is to kill other people. It's design is the best design in the world and all others successful combat rifles have copied the AR in functions.

Being black doesn't make it more lethal. It would be just as lethal if it were pink but it's black because it's hard to see at night, another function. The Mag drops straight down without having to even place a hand on it so that you can drop it while reaching for a replacement mag. Another feature. You can operate it without taking your finger out of the trigger guard. Another feature. You don't have to rotate the rifle to reload or recharge it. Another feature. It has almost zero barrel jump. Another feature. It's simple to operate for a novice shooter or a new combat shooter under extreme pressure under fire. Another feature. It's just deadly enough to get the job done against a human sized target. Another feature. There are methods to add rails to it to add combat related accessories to increase it's deadliness. Another feature.

There are no features that don't apply to killing human beings. No features to make it look pretty. No features to apply lip gloss or anything else that doesn't have anything to do with killing humans. Just because it can be used to kill a groundhog doesn't means it's designed as a great varmint rifle. If I need to hammer something and the hammer is in the shop, I've been know to use a crescent wrench in a pinch. Does that make my crescent wrench a hammer?

The fact remains that the AR is designed for one thing and one thing only, to wholesale kill a large group of people in the most efficient method possible. And even the M-16 and the M-4 is normally operated in combat in the semi auto mode because that is the most efficient mode. The Full Auto of the old A-1 and A-2 wasted way too much ammo and missed the target most of the time and the 3 shot burst, only the first round hits the target anyway and you just wasted 2 rounds. So in combat, most are shot in the semi auto setting because that is the setting where it is the most useful. So the AR-15 Model 750 and various clones are just as deadly as the M-16 and the M-4 and the M-16 and the M-4 are the premier Combat Rifles in the world because they are designed to be. Not one ounce of design for anything other than that of a combat rifle.

So what is an AR-15? A Combat Rifle and if it's not the best, it's one of the best ever made.

Lol
ARs make for great hunting rifles, After all they just sporting rifles is nothing more nothing less. And they certainly are not military grade.
Buy more guns and ammo...
The Most Versatile Semi-Automatic Rifles

Great alternatives for people that don’t want to buy something like this piece of shit...

That piece of Shit is a wonderful rifle that will shoot circles around an AR. I can light matches at 250 yds with it in almost any caliber. And it looks damned good. Especially waxed and polished up.

Lol
You don’t even know what it is

 

[Brain357]

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And the right has an irrational fear of being without them. Vegas proved liberals right.

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Tell me more about "irrational fear".

Completely irrational. Many countries have few guns and no tyranny. We have checks and balances for tyranny.

 

[Brain357]

Don't forget the premise of the thread. There are far more people dying from smoking, alcohol use and drug abuse than gun violence by legal gun owners. Deaths from guns in inner cities are the result of criminals that get their hands on guns illegally.

It is illogical to argue that taking away guns will have any negligible effect on avoidable deaths in the US or anywhere else. The underlying reason for taking away guns is to disarm the public.

Arguing about gun semantics is just a distraction.

High rates of legal gun ownership guarantees high rates of illegal ownership. Hundreds of thousands of guns stolen each year.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a fraction of ours.

 

[Rustic]

Don't forget the premise of the thread. There are far more people dying from smoking, alcohol use and drug abuse than gun violence by legal gun owners. Deaths from guns in inner cities are the result of criminals that get their hands on guns illegally.

It is illogical to argue that taking away guns will have any negligible effect on avoidable deaths in the US or anywhere else. The underlying reason for taking away guns is to disarm the public.

Arguing about gun semantics is just a distraction.

High rates of legal gun ownership guarantees high rates of illegal ownership. Hundreds of thousands of guns stolen each year.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a fraction of ours.

Irrelevant

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Don't forget the premise of the thread. There are far more people dying from smoking, alcohol use and drug abuse than gun violence by legal gun owners. Deaths from guns in inner cities are the result of criminals that get their hands on guns illegally.

It is illogical to argue that taking away guns will have any negligible effect on avoidable deaths in the US or anywhere else. The underlying reason for taking away guns is to disarm the public.

Arguing about gun semantics is just a distraction.

Far more people are dying from old age. Maybe we should do something about that. Maybe we should ban old age while we are at it. I am 68. I'm for that one.

But we do what we can even if it's just for one thing at a time. Saving one life at a time.

Well, nothing fights old age like dying early from slow poison.

Old age IS slow poison. But we all have to understand, none of us are getting out of this alive.

 

[cnm]

It is illogical to argue that taking away guns will have any negligible effect on avoidable deaths in the US or anywhere else. The underlying reason for taking away guns is to disarm the public.

Your arguments are as confused as your premises.

 

[cnm]

And what makes the LMT a contender?

Completely ambidextrous.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And what makes the LMT a contender?

Completely ambidextrous.

Those damned Left Handers should be Jailed.

 

[cnm]

That piece of Shit is a wonderful rifle that will shoot circles around an AR. I can light matches at 250 yds with it in almost any caliber. And it looks damned good. Especially waxed and polished up.

I've spent an awful lot of time on rifle ranges. That just is not the case.

 

[Rustic]

They want to ban 'assault weapons' which are competely legal typical semi-auto rifles that look 'scary.'

They look like they do because every inch of them has the function of killing humans. Not one ounce is to look scary, sexy or anything else. They could have included a lip gloss applicator on a hand grenade but didn't since a lip gloss applicator had no function in killing humans. Same goes for the AR. It's designed for a scared shitless 18 year old fresh out of basic, pumped up on adrenaline, under heavy fire, very little training and being able to kill at a very high rate very quickly. Every piece of the AR is designed for this. Nothing is left over for anything else. So if it looks scary that's because it is. And it is scary for a damned good reason.

Intelligent people laugh at your theory that guns can be made safe.

There is only one way that an AR Variant can be made safe. Don't have one in open public. Simple as that. Meaning, if you see a person walking down the street packing it, consider them already unhinged to begin with and react accordingly. That reaction may be wrong 99% of the time but that 1% of the times will be correct. And an unhinged person walking down the street with an AR Variant needs to be taken down fast BEFORE they get to where they are going to use it. Actually, the figure is a lot lower than 99% but let's just use that as the base figure. Leave your AR variant home or society takes roads to prevent them from even being in the home. It's your choice.

I just told you there is no way guns can be made safe. A "safe" gun is a useless gun. If it can't kill the people who you're defending yourself against, then what's the point of having it?

You're trying to tell me that I have to get all the crazies off the street or you and your ilk will cancel the 2nd Amendment?

Go fuck yourself, you Stalinist asshole.

No, you are telling me that. You seem to tell me what I say way too much. I am getting ready to go to breakfast. Tell me what I am thinking of having for breakfast. I can't decide yet. But since you are telling me what I am thinking, maybe you can tell me what I am going to order at Denny's.

I already stated that carrying an AR down the street is abnormal as all get out. And anyone that finds the absolute need to do so is probably unhinged to begin with. Or is such a small child in mentality we all should reassess if they should even have firearms in the first place. the old "You can't tell me what to do" only goes so far. Now, if you want to walk down the street with a CCW permit and a hideaway gun, I don't have a problem with that. Those with CCWs are generally not a problem. Only one recorded shooting has occurred by a CCW permit holder. Out of about 3 million CCW carriers at any one time, that's a percentage I can live with. But the percentage of those carrying an AR down the street that is up to no good is way out of whack. Leave your AR home and you can keep it. Don't leave it and society will have to do something about it. And in many areas, they already have. Pick something else to play "You can't tell me what to do". You are right, I am not your Father. Otherwise, your butt would be cherry red from the spankings.

 

[miketx]

What a load of shit. An AR-15 is functionally no different than a .223 semi-auto hunting rifle. Are you one of those retarded loons who think the color black with plastic and composite parts make a firearm some kind of doomsday device ?

That is true if the 'hunting rifle' will take large capacity interchangeable magazines. Over 5 is large capacity in this scenario. If the 'hunting rifle' won't take those magazines it is definitely functionally dissimilar to an AR15.

Okay, here is a refresher course of why an AR is an AR. We go through this about every other month or so. Seems the gunnutters think the rest of us forget.

Why was the AR-15 invented?

It was invented so that an 18 year old kid with very little training, right out of basic, can kill at a high rate as many people as he can, reload quickly and effortlessly, carry many times the ammo of the previous combat rifles, carry his rifle for hours, days and weeks on end without fatigue. Nothing was included for cosmetics. It's design is function only. And it's function is to kill other people. It's design is the best design in the world and all others successful combat rifles have copied the AR in functions.

Being black doesn't make it more lethal. It would be just as lethal if it were pink but it's black because it's hard to see at night, another function. The Mag drops straight down without having to even place a hand on it so that you can drop it while reaching for a replacement mag. Another feature. You can operate it without taking your finger out of the trigger guard. Another feature. You don't have to rotate the rifle to reload or recharge it. Another feature. It has almost zero barrel jump. Another feature. It's simple to operate for a novice shooter or a new combat shooter under extreme pressure under fire. Another feature. It's just deadly enough to get the job done against a human sized target. Another feature. There are methods to add rails to it to add combat related accessories to increase it's deadliness. Another feature.

There are no features that don't apply to killing human beings. No features to make it look pretty. No features to apply lip gloss or anything else that doesn't have anything to do with killing humans. Just because it can be used to kill a groundhog doesn't means it's designed as a great varmint rifle. If I need to hammer something and the hammer is in the shop, I've been know to use a crescent wrench in a pinch. Does that make my crescent wrench a hammer?

The fact remains that the AR is designed for one thing and one thing only, to wholesale kill a large group of people in the most efficient method possible. And even the M-16 and the M-4 is normally operated in combat in the semi auto mode because that is the most efficient mode. The Full Auto of the old A-1 and A-2 wasted way too much ammo and missed the target most of the time and the 3 shot burst, only the first round hits the target anyway and you just wasted 2 rounds. So in combat, most are shot in the semi auto setting because that is the setting where it is the most useful. So the AR-15 Model 750 and various clones are just as deadly as the M-16 and the M-4 and the M-16 and the M-4 are the premier Combat Rifles in the world because they are designed to be. Not one ounce of design for anything other than that of a combat rifle.

So what is an AR-15? A Combat Rifle and if it's not the best, it's one of the best ever made.

Lol
ARs make for great hunting rifles, After all they just sporting rifles is nothing more nothing less. And they certainly are not military grade.
Buy more guns and ammo...
The Most Versatile Semi-Automatic Rifles

Great alternatives for people that don’t want to buy something like this piece of shit...

That piece of Shit is a wonderful rifle that will shoot circles around an AR. I can light matches at 250 yds with it in almost any caliber. And it looks damned good. Especially waxed and polished up.

Lol
You don’t even know what it is

I'm a gun person and I don't even know what it is. Looks like a cheapo entry-level kids rifle. Scope sucks.

 

[Rustic]

That is true if the 'hunting rifle' will take large capacity interchangeable magazines. Over 5 is large capacity in this scenario. If the 'hunting rifle' won't take those magazines it is definitely functionally dissimilar to an AR15.

Okay, here is a refresher course of why an AR is an AR. We go through this about every other month or so. Seems the gunnutters think the rest of us forget.

Why was the AR-15 invented?

It was invented so that an 18 year old kid with very little training, right out of basic, can kill at a high rate as many people as he can, reload quickly and effortlessly, carry many times the ammo of the previous combat rifles, carry his rifle for hours, days and weeks on end without fatigue. Nothing was included for cosmetics. It's design is function only. And it's function is to kill other people. It's design is the best design in the world and all others successful combat rifles have copied the AR in functions.

Being black doesn't make it more lethal. It would be just as lethal if it were pink but it's black because it's hard to see at night, another function. The Mag drops straight down without having to even place a hand on it so that you can drop it while reaching for a replacement mag. Another feature. You can operate it without taking your finger out of the trigger guard. Another feature. You don't have to rotate the rifle to reload or recharge it. Another feature. It has almost zero barrel jump. Another feature. It's simple to operate for a novice shooter or a new combat shooter under extreme pressure under fire. Another feature. It's just deadly enough to get the job done against a human sized target. Another feature. There are methods to add rails to it to add combat related accessories to increase it's deadliness. Another feature.

There are no features that don't apply to killing human beings. No features to make it look pretty. No features to apply lip gloss or anything else that doesn't have anything to do with killing humans. Just because it can be used to kill a groundhog doesn't means it's designed as a great varmint rifle. If I need to hammer something and the hammer is in the shop, I've been know to use a crescent wrench in a pinch. Does that make my crescent wrench a hammer?

The fact remains that the AR is designed for one thing and one thing only, to wholesale kill a large group of people in the most efficient method possible. And even the M-16 and the M-4 is normally operated in combat in the semi auto mode because that is the most efficient mode. The Full Auto of the old A-1 and A-2 wasted way too much ammo and missed the target most of the time and the 3 shot burst, only the first round hits the target anyway and you just wasted 2 rounds. So in combat, most are shot in the semi auto setting because that is the setting where it is the most useful. So the AR-15 Model 750 and various clones are just as deadly as the M-16 and the M-4 and the M-16 and the M-4 are the premier Combat Rifles in the world because they are designed to be. Not one ounce of design for anything other than that of a combat rifle.

So what is an AR-15? A Combat Rifle and if it's not the best, it's one of the best ever made.

Lol
ARs make for great hunting rifles, After all they just sporting rifles is nothing more nothing less. And they certainly are not military grade.
Buy more guns and ammo...
The Most Versatile Semi-Automatic Rifles

Great alternatives for people that don’t want to buy something like this piece of shit...

That piece of Shit is a wonderful rifle that will shoot circles around an AR. I can light matches at 250 yds with it in almost any caliber. And it looks damned good. Especially waxed and polished up.

Lol
You don’t even know what it is

I'm a gun person and I don't even know what it is. Looks like a cheapo entry-level kids rifle. Scope sucks.

Well, it’s a pre 64 Winchester. I have several for sale in my shop. They are more collectible than anything.
They are quite valuable, and yes that scope does suck....

They are not a real practical hunting rifle, They make better conversation pieces.

 

[miketx]

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And the right has an irrational fear of being without them. Vegas proved liberals right.

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Tell me more about "irrational fear".

Completely irrational. Many countries have few guns and no tyranny. We have checks and balances for tyranny.

We have people like you repeatedly releasing violent criminals to prey on the innocent. That's what we have.

 

[miketx]

Don't forget the premise of the thread. There are far more people dying from smoking, alcohol use and drug abuse than gun violence by legal gun owners. Deaths from guns in inner cities are the result of criminals that get their hands on guns illegally.

It is illogical to argue that taking away guns will have any negligible effect on avoidable deaths in the US or anywhere else. The underlying reason for taking away guns is to disarm the public.

Arguing about gun semantics is just a distraction.

High rates of legal gun ownership guarantees high rates of illegal ownership. Hundreds of thousands of guns stolen each year.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a fraction of ours.

Stop releasing violent criminals.

 

[cnm]

We have people like you repeatedly releasing violent criminals to prey on the innocent. That's what we have.

I had the impression the latest mass shooters had no convictions. No?

 

[miketx]

Okay, here is a refresher course of why an AR is an AR. We go through this about every other month or so. Seems the gunnutters think the rest of us forget.

Why was the AR-15 invented?

It was invented so that an 18 year old kid with very little training, right out of basic, can kill at a high rate as many people as he can, reload quickly and effortlessly, carry many times the ammo of the previous combat rifles, carry his rifle for hours, days and weeks on end without fatigue. Nothing was included for cosmetics. It's design is function only. And it's function is to kill other people. It's design is the best design in the world and all others successful combat rifles have copied the AR in functions.

Being black doesn't make it more lethal. It would be just as lethal if it were pink but it's black because it's hard to see at night, another function. The Mag drops straight down without having to even place a hand on it so that you can drop it while reaching for a replacement mag. Another feature. You can operate it without taking your finger out of the trigger guard. Another feature. You don't have to rotate the rifle to reload or recharge it. Another feature. It has almost zero barrel jump. Another feature. It's simple to operate for a novice shooter or a new combat shooter under extreme pressure under fire. Another feature. It's just deadly enough to get the job done against a human sized target. Another feature. There are methods to add rails to it to add combat related accessories to increase it's deadliness. Another feature.

There are no features that don't apply to killing human beings. No features to make it look pretty. No features to apply lip gloss or anything else that doesn't have anything to do with killing humans. Just because it can be used to kill a groundhog doesn't means it's designed as a great varmint rifle. If I need to hammer something and the hammer is in the shop, I've been know to use a crescent wrench in a pinch. Does that make my crescent wrench a hammer?

The fact remains that the AR is designed for one thing and one thing only, to wholesale kill a large group of people in the most efficient method possible. And even the M-16 and the M-4 is normally operated in combat in the semi auto mode because that is the most efficient mode. The Full Auto of the old A-1 and A-2 wasted way too much ammo and missed the target most of the time and the 3 shot burst, only the first round hits the target anyway and you just wasted 2 rounds. So in combat, most are shot in the semi auto setting because that is the setting where it is the most useful. So the AR-15 Model 750 and various clones are just as deadly as the M-16 and the M-4 and the M-16 and the M-4 are the premier Combat Rifles in the world because they are designed to be. Not one ounce of design for anything other than that of a combat rifle.

So what is an AR-15? A Combat Rifle and if it's not the best, it's one of the best ever made.

Lol
ARs make for great hunting rifles, After all they just sporting rifles is nothing more nothing less. And they certainly are not military grade.
Buy more guns and ammo...
The Most Versatile Semi-Automatic Rifles

Great alternatives for people that don’t want to buy something like this piece of shit...

That piece of Shit is a wonderful rifle that will shoot circles around an AR. I can light matches at 250 yds with it in almost any caliber. And it looks damned good. Especially waxed and polished up.

Lol
You don’t even know what it is

I'm a gun person and I don't even know what it is. Looks like a cheapo entry-level kids rifle. Scope sucks.

Well, it’s a pre 64 Winchester. I have several for sale in my shop. They are more collectible than anything.
They are quite valuable, and yes that scope does suck....

They are not a real practical hunting rifle, They make better conversation pieces.

Here's what Darryl probably has.

 

[Brain357]

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And the right has an irrational fear of being without them. Vegas proved liberals right.

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Tell me more about "irrational fear".

Completely irrational. Many countries have few guns and no tyranny. We have checks and balances for tyranny.

We have people like you repeatedly releasing violent criminals to prey on the innocent. That's what we have.

We have the fullest jails in the world.

 

[Rustic]

Don't forget the premise of the thread. There are far more people dying from smoking, alcohol use and drug abuse than gun violence by legal gun owners. Deaths from guns in inner cities are the result of criminals that get their hands on guns illegally.

It is illogical to argue that taking away guns will have any negligible effect on avoidable deaths in the US or anywhere else. The underlying reason for taking away guns is to disarm the public.

Arguing about gun semantics is just a distraction.

High rates of legal gun ownership guarantees high rates of illegal ownership. Hundreds of thousands of guns stolen each year.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a fraction of ours.

Stop releasing violent criminals.

Yep,
The vast majority of violence in this country is done in progressive controlled urban America, By repeat offenders with extremely strict gun control laws. If we would execute violent criminals that would change the whole narrative on the subject

firearms have nothing to do with the situation...

 

[Rustic]

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And the right has an irrational fear of being without them. Vegas proved liberals right.

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Tell me more about "irrational fear".

Completely irrational. Many countries have few guns and no tyranny. We have checks and balances for tyranny.

We have people like you repeatedly releasing violent criminals to prey on the innocent. That's what we have.

We have the fullest jails in the world.

Lol
We have no criminal control, execute violent criminals… Problem solved