Iran or Israel: The Democrat Party Has Chosen

[surada]

Time for what, you windbag?????


Time for the 12th Imam to scrample out of the well, and lead Iran to attack everyone else and gain the world wide conflagration they seek?????????????




"Iran: Their foreign policy is aimed at world domination under the leadership of the 12th Imam.

The Hidden Imam, as he is also known by his followers, will only return after a period of cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed – what Christians call the Apocalypse –


“ The hidden Imam who is expected to return....
....beware of doubting, for to doubt the order of God, the Mighty, the Sublime, is apostasy (Kufr). Ibn Khaldun also states that “ When imprisoned with his mother in the house, he entered a sort of well or pit in the house that his family occupies at Samarrah, Iraq, and there he disappeared, but he is to come forth at the end of the age to fill the earth with justice”.
The Twelfth Imam, Muhammad ibn al-Hasan (Al-Mahdi-Sahibuz Zaman) (The hidden Imam who is expected to return)
12th Imam
12th Imam



"IRANIAN CLERIC EBAD MOHAMMADTABAR: WHEN THE HIDDEN IMAM ARRIVES, THE WHOLE WORLD WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM OR DIE; WE WILL CONFRONT, DEFEAT THE JEWS, ZIONISM
October 07, 2019
Iranian Cleric Ebad Mohammadtabar: When the Hidden Imam Arrives, The Whole World Will Convert to Islam or Die; We Will Confront, Defeat the Jews, Zionism


The maniacs look forward to a world conflagration.




These are the people that Hussein Obama insisted need be guaranteed a nuclear bomb.

The rulers of Iran want a world-wide nuclear holocaust.....and Democrats insist on giving them nuclear weapons.

L are you also worried about the rapture?

 

[surada]

Iran should get access to international market of crude oil and natural gas. Under some conditions. And replace Russian energy supplies with their production.

Iran is exporting a million bpd to China.

 

[ESay]

Ideally, wouldn't regional cooperation be more preferable -
with Iran and Russia divided between independent nation states?

What do you mean? That Iran and Russia should be divided on national sovereign states? I am not sure it is possible in the near future.

 

[ESay]

Iran is exporting a million bpd to China.

When/if embargo on Russian oil will be imposed, China will be getting enough additional amounts of oil on a decreased price.

 

[surada]

When/if embargo on Russian oil will be imposed, China will be getting enough additional amounts of oil on a decreased price.

Appears that way. Can the US stop Russian oil exports to China?

 

[ESay]

Appears that way. Can the US stop Russian oil exports to China?

I think that no. As it wasn't done with Iranian oil.

 

[PoliticalChic]

L are you also worried about the rapture?

Sorry, a truly vapid attempt to change the subject from one you cannot defend.

But....as usual, you work up to your ability.

 

[rylah]

What do you mean? That Iran and Russia should be divided on national sovereign states? I am not sure it is possible in the near future.

Let's not limit the discussion to current events and narrow perceptions.
In the context of the last 150, even 20 years, what seems impossible,
or least expected is the most likely outcome.
That's why I've used 'ideally'.


Suggesting giving Iran access to key global markets eventually
strengthens the positions of Iran and Russia in their alliance.

As an alternative, I suggest that economic cooperation
on the basis of sovereign nation states, rather than
strengthening empires - is preferable.

Don't You see the merit in that?

 

[ESay]

Let's not limit the discussion to current events and narrow perceptions.
In the context of the last 150, even 20 years, what seems impossible,
or least expected is the most likely outcome.
That's why I've used 'ideally'.


Suggesting giving Iran access to key global markets eventually
strengthens the positions of Iran and Russia in their alliance.

As an alternative, I suggest that economic cooperation
on the basis of sovereign nation states, rather than
strengthening empires - is preferable.

Don't You see the merit in that?

Of course, in the course of say 100 or 150 years everything is possible. But we should understand what we can do in the near 5 or 10 or 20 years.

What do you mean by sovereign nation states and what are empires today? Are the US, EU, Russia, Iran, UK empires? And how you can develop cooperation with nation states inside an empire if the empire doesn't want this?

 

[USAF 2023]

Think. You claim you have a brain.

It’s obvious you don’t. Under what “ theory “ would the US have to attack Iran unless we were attacked first?!

 

[surada]

It’s obvious you don’t. Under what “ theory “ would the US have to attack Iran unless we were attacked first?!

Like attacking Iraq for Clean Break Strategy.

 

[USAF 2023]

Like attacking Iraq for Clean Break Strategy.

Link? What Rationale is there that the US will initiate a attack on a foreign Country? Only in your distorted diluted “ mind”.

 

[rylah]

Of course, in the course of say 100 or 150 years everything is possible. But we should understand what we can do in the near 5 or 10 or 20 years.

What do you mean by sovereign nation states and what are empires today? Are the US, EU, Russia, Iran, UK empires? And how you can develop cooperation with nation states inside an empire if the empire doesn't want this?

Look even at the recent 5 years, and compare it to the pace 10 years ago.
When trying to understand what is possible, we shouldn't define it by
the limits of a specific amount of action in a time frame,
rather by absolute goals.

"If You will it, it ain't a legend" - B. Z. Herzl
"Not upon You the finishing of the craft,
and ain't You a free man to drift out from it" - Rabbi Tarfon
​

By sovereign nation-states, for example, Ukraine comes to mind.
By empires, states holding entire nations and countries under their governance,
with a clear policy to expand its rule and influence further, by war or protectorates.

The US is an empire in a typical crisis, the EU though by enertia enacting an imperialist
foreign policy, however, the goal of expansion and influence is not there, it's closer to,
"families of the land" in that despite giving up on certain aspects of national
sovereignty, these are neither really autonomies, recognize each other
as nations, the whole discourse and tension are about that.
The UK has ceased to be and abandoned any ambitions
for its position as a global leader, though politically
still a strong country, unlike its EU counterparts.

Russia is a classic example of an empire.
And I think we should take Russian expressed fears,
without cynicism but not literally, in that each empire, upon its fall,
knowingly or not, prefers to direct its struggle outwards, counterintuitive.
It's the wrong thing to do, in that ignites the fall within and from the outside.
But despite the wrong conclusion, and how they act on it, the basic intuition is correct.

Iran is in the same category,
their revolution can only expand,
as they are trying to further establish
influence and presence on the ground,
either through conflict and as protectorates,
while ideologically competing for global leadership.

China, of course, enacts a clearly imperialist policy, leveraging conflicts
to challenge the Western domination of economic structures,
and to leverage their position as the alternative for,
the mainstream of global ideology overall.

How do we develop cooperation
with sovereign nation-states
within empires?

By recognizing their title to sovereignty, and cooperating with them
i.e. "giving them freedom", but in a manner that ideologically
counters the imperialist attitude. Go on the offensive.

They fight outside to take over other countries,
we can fight inside by motivating cooperation
on the basis of national sovereignty, taking
responsibility for their actions and future.

And the best players to do it, are indeed the smallest nations,
that have clearly no chance to challenge an entire empire, or seeking likely control.
It's the counter dynamics to Russian and Iranian actions. Who on average, are the bigger polities, comprising of a variety of larger nations, focusing their expansion efforts on smaller states outside.
Ukraine, for example, can't be anyone's protectorate, it's an advantage to motivate cooperation, and
help likely nations establish their position focusing entirely on ideological, culturally-universal means.

There're more nations, actual distinct civilizations, than empires,
leverage empires against empires, and only strike when
needed just once, in cooperation with others
seeking likely sovereignty and liberty.

It's not even an effort, but rather a process, if a nation represents something true,
its existence itself says something fundamentally true, and relevant to human
progress, it will be free even by mere natural circumstance.
Whether they currently want it or not, however, if their
collective mission is done, nothing relevant to say,
like with empires, no matter the effort,
remain but history.

 

[surada]

Link? What Rationale is there that the US will initiate a attack on a foreign Country? Only in your distorted diluted “ mind”.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Google Arts & Culture

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Neta...

artsandculture.google.com

 

[rylah]

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Google Arts & Culture

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Neta...

artsandculture.google.com

Is that a bad strategy for independent states?
Empires rely on mass, we prefer quality.

Empires should fight each other,
nations to gain independence.

"Arab world", same process.
Look at al-Jazeera and the
"Arab spring", or winter...

Abraham Accords.

 

[rylah]

 

[USAF 2023]

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Google Arts & Culture

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Neta...

artsandculture.google.com

Thank You for admitting it was rejected by Netanyahu!! Re; Nuclear weapons I have read the US did not havre “ free reign “ when they were looking under the Clinton administration

 

[surada]

Thank You for admitting it was rejected by Netanyahu!! Re; Nuclear weapons I have read the US did not havre “ free reign “ when they were looking under the Clinton administration

The PNAC presented the same plan in 1998 and many of the signatories were dual citizens.

 

[rylah]

The PNAC presented the same plan in 1998 and many of the signatories were dual citizens.

And those who didn't all worked for PM Netanyahu,
or thought he was a wise leader with a plan?

Anyway, you picture the rest
not as smart or agile.

 

[USAF 2023]

The PNAC presented the same plan in 1998 and many of the signatories were dual citizens.

So what?? Point is; It’s never going to happen, Israel wouldn’t want it and anyone with a IQ over 50 would know it