ColonelAngus
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Doesnt one need to show ID to get government assistance? For example....welfare?
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Seems odd there aren't hundreds of reports documenting tens of thousands of instances of disenfranchisement the way Dimwingers wail about it.BINGO!Does anyone on this board know anyone who wants to vote, but cannot because they cannot obtain an ID?
Have they ever read about someone who wants to vote, but cannot obtain an ID?
Have they ever seen on TV someone who wants to vote, bit cannot obtain an ID?
I have challenged these idiots to link me up to a single instance of disenfranchisement, and I have yet to get one.
I have never ever ever seen a report about these ficticious people.
Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
figures,, more excuses why not to secure the most important thing we do as a society,,Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
The only people who say they aren't secure are on the internet. It isn't claimed be you know... Those charged with conducting, investigating, litigating, judging elections. And contrary to what you say I want secure elections, I also want INCLUSIVE elections. You only want one of those.figures,, more excuses why not to secure the most important thing we do as a society,,Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
wheres there a strawman involved???The only people who say they aren't secure are on the internet. It isn't claimed be you know... Those charged with conducting, investigating, litigating, judging elections. And contrary to what you say I want secure elections, I also want INCLUSIVE elections. You only want one of those.figures,, more excuses why not to secure the most important thing we do as a society,,Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
But hey go right ahead and put up the strawman.
All forms of.,....*gasp* .... ID's.a birth certificate works. A social security card help....A utility bill with yer name and address on it.and what would those be??A picture ID is not the only form of ID you can use.
and how can we help the stupid to get them??
A secure election IS an INCLUSIVE election.The only people who say they aren't secure are on the internet. It isn't claimed be you know... Those charged with conducting, investigating, litigating, judging elections. And contrary to what you say I want secure elections, I also want INCLUSIVE elections. You only want one of those.figures,, more excuses why not to secure the most important thing we do as a society,,Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
But hey go right ahead and put up the strawman.
Provide a list for me all the names of people who have been disenfranchised because of Voter ID laws.Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!
BINGO!Does anyone on this board know anyone who wants to vote, but cannot because they cannot obtain an ID?
Have they ever read about someone who wants to vote, but cannot obtain an ID?
Have they ever seen on TV someone who wants to vote, bit cannot obtain an ID?
I have challenged these idiots to link me up to a single instance of disenfranchisement, and I have yet to get one.
Derp.....BINGO!
I have challenged these idiots to link me up to a single instance of disenfranchisement, and I have yet to get one.
BINGO!Does anyone on this board know anyone who wants to vote, but cannot because they cannot obtain an ID?
Have they ever read about someone who wants to vote, but cannot obtain an ID?
Have they ever seen on TV someone who wants to vote, bit cannot obtain an ID?
I have challenged these idiots to link me up to a single instance of disenfranchisement, and I have yet to get one.
I have never ever ever seen a report about these ficticious people.
Because they’re listed under “in-person voter fraud”. The file is empty.I have never ever ever seen a report about these ficticious people.
It's the only one worth a shit.A picture ID is not the only form of ID you can use.
the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Derp.....the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a country
an ID is to confirm you are the one voting under your name,,,the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.Derp.....the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a country
Isn’t the ID meant to stop fraud?
Oh, really maybe the fact that millions of ELIGIBLE voter dont have an ID can be construed as a reason?the discussion is about voter iDs not fraud,,, so its understandable you wont waste time on it because there is no logical reason not to require an ID for one of the most important things we do as citizens of a countryI'm not gonna waste my time in debunking all the myths you subject yourself to in your bubble, I will only say that NO claim of fraud or procedural objection was ruled favorable on by the courts.but who watches the watchers when the watchers wont let anyone watch them??Actually, I think what you where trying to say isn't there. Kind of critical in this context.just because you cant see something doesnt mean its there,,Thats a much better solution than all this bullshit...but leftists wont go for it because they do not want people to have to show ID to vote.
MLB and Delta can get together and start a project...”IDs for all”. They can make sure everyone who wants to vote gets an ID.
Advertise on TV, radio, podcasts...Say, “Cant afford an ID?” You or a friend call this toll free number. We will come to your house and take you to get an ID.
Problem solved!The GOP has yet to show it to be a problem anywhere despite years of crying.Problem solved!
Here's the thing, unlike for instance the existence of God. The existence of massive voter fraud can be verified. Unlike God, there are active safeguards to make sure elections are honest. From recounts to ballot watchers, audits, to bipartisan election officials, to the DOJ who investigates fraud, to lawyers from both parties who litigate suspected fraud, to the bipartisan judicial system that rules onnthis litigation.
Saying that not seeing something doesn't mean it isn't there is a cliché that doesn't work in this context.
Or the fact that EVERY single state has a procedure to identify a voter and not all of them rely on a picture ID is a reason?
Or the fact that you nor anybody on the right can establish fraud to an extent that would warrant extra measures that would limit voting in any way?
I understand that to your narrative its better that you can detach what you would call voter security measures from actually being able to show they are necessary. But it is very relevant.
If the government wants to spend 1 trillion so they can arm against aliens I think you would require more than, "it's a possibility" as a justification.
So glad by the way you find voting the most important thing a citizen can do. Why wouldn't you want all eligible voters to do so than?
Can you give some examples of people who want to vote, but are being disenfranchised because they cannot obtain an ID?
Students.Can you give some examples of people who want to vote, but are being disenfranchised because they cannot obtain an ID?