Installed capacity of solar exceeding coal in China

[Old Rocks]

That is installed capacity, not actual generation. However, what is even more significant is that the increase in solar has put China ahead of demand. It is noted that they are still building coal plants that will obviously be not needed for present need. However, I think China is regarding these as security, in case they get into a protracted non-nuclear war with the US.

MSN

 

[1srelluc]

Chi-Com propaganda, of course they want to perpetuate a hoax that weakens America and the leftist UK rag is more than happy to help.

 

[Old Rocks]

Chi-Com propaganda, of course they want to perpetuate a hoax that weakens America and the leftist UK rag is more than happy to help.

Well dumb ****, solar and wind clearly visible from space, and I have seen no one suggesting that China is fudging the data. Other than the senile old child rapist. "How come China has no windmills" Trump. LOL

 

[frigidweirdo]

That is installed capacity, not actual generation. However, what is even more significant is that the increase in solar has put China ahead of demand. It is noted that they are still building coal plants that will obviously be not needed for present need. However, I think China is regarding these as security, in case they get into a protracted non-nuclear war with the US.

MSN

That should hopefully be good. When I was in Xi'an every direction you took there were coal power plants which made the pollution super bad.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Well dumb ****, solar and wind clearly visible from space, and I have seen no one suggesting that China is fudging the data. Other than the senile old child rapist. "How come China has no windmills" Trump. LOL

Lol
No way no how

China fudges almost all of its data. Jesus christ, how f****** ignorant Can you be?

How big is your trailer park you dopey hick

 

[toobfreak]

Well dumb ****, solar and wind clearly visible from space,

Well, if it is visible from space, then it must be good. Being visible from space is the mark of any good, successful idea.

 

[Stryder50]

That is installed capacity, not actual generation. However, what is even more significant is that the increase in solar has put China ahead of demand. It is noted that they are still building coal plants that will obviously be not needed for present need. However, I think China is regarding these as security, in case they get into a protracted non-nuclear war with the US.

MSN

From your link;
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The crossover does not mean China will immediately generate more electricity from solar than from coal. Installed capacity describes how much power could be produced under ideal conditions. While coal plants can operate continuously, solar output fluctuates with daylight and weather. However, the scale and direction of new capacity additions show China’s power buildout is now led by wind and solar rather than fossil fuels.
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Meanwhile, those coal fueled power plants don't have scrubbers to clean their flue emissions. Something that would be a better investment on PRChina's part.;
Flue Gas Desulfurization
Flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) is a set of technologies used to remove sulfur dioxide (SO2) from exhaust flue gases of fossil-fuel power plants, and from the emissions of other sulfur oxide emitting processes such as waste incineration, petroleum refineries, cement and lime kilns.
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Flue-gas desulfurization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Note that SO2 in the atmosphere is source for acid rain, and real pollution, where as CO2 is an essential element for life for all the plants on this planet and the animals that life off of such.
Earth biology depends upon CO2.

FYI, my last employment (before retiring) was with a firm that manufactured key components for FGD systems at coal power plants.

 

[Anomalism]

That is installed capacity, not actual generation. However, what is even more significant is that the increase in solar has put China ahead of demand. It is noted that they are still building coal plants that will obviously be not needed for present need. However, I think China is regarding these as security, in case they get into a protracted non-nuclear war with the US.

MSN

I don't trust centralized power, but it sure can get work done sometimes. China is very impressive when they get focused on something. There's no deliberation. They just go.

 

[toobfreak]

It is noted that they are still building coal plants that will obviously be not needed for present need. However, I think China is regarding these as security,

And that speaks volumes when a country like China builds coal plants as their emergency back up, not solar nor wind, as their "sure thing" to cover their ass in a crisis.

 

[Anomalism]

And that speaks volumes when a country like China builds coal plants as their emergency back up, not solar nor wind, as their "sure thing" to cover their ass in a crisis.

Having multiple options is just smart planning in my opinion. I don't think it's any deeper than that.

 

[toobfreak]

Having multiple options is just smart planning in my opinion.

And yet Joe Biden tried to kill our most certain and reliable ones, without any proven, tested system in place to replace it.

There are no multiple options, power must be certain and reliable, and for that we have nuclear, coal, hydro and NG. Solar and wind are just nice bonuses, nice when you can get them for as long as you can, but not by any means certain nor reliable 24/7/365.

 

[Anomalism]

And yet Joe Biden tried to kill our most certain and reliable ones, without any proven, tested system in place to replace it.

There are no multiple options, power must be certain and reliable, and for that we have nuclear, coal, hydro and NG. Solar and wind are just nice bonuses, nice when you can get them for as long as you can, but not by any means certain nor reliable 24/7/365.

I actually think wind turbines are pretty terrible. Maybe the technology will dazzle us someday, but for now, the graveyards of rotting, abandoned turbines tell the story.

 

[toobfreak]

I actually think wind turbines are pretty terrible. Maybe the technology will dazzle us someday, but for now, the graveyards of rotting, abandoned turbines tell the story.

Not to mention the collection of dead birds at their base. I actually think there is better hope for wind but the current generators are built all wrong. I'd try to design one to be long and narrow, tubular, operating a bit like a jet engine or better still, like a long flag rippling in the wind where the differential friction between two surfaces inside generates an electric charge.

Same with solar panels, big awkward, ugly, clunky things. I see the future of solar being a thin, light, cheap material you can cover most anything with and easily replace.

Problem is, these are the nascent days of green energy, not the golden days. The technology is not mature yet, far from it.

 

[Anomalism]

Not to mention the collection of dead birds at their base. I actually think there is better hope for wind but the current generators are built all wrong. I'd try to design one to be long and narrow, tubular, operating a bit like a jet engine or better still, like a long flag rippling in the wind where the differential friction between two surfaces inside generates an electric charge.

Same with solar panels, big awkward, ugly, clunky things. I see the future of solar being a thin, light, cheap material you can cover most anything with and easily replace.

Problem is, these are the nascent days of green energy, not the golden days. The technology is not mature yet, far from it.

You're right. Much of the technology is still in its infancy. Infants grow though, a lot. That doesn't mean we should prematurely upend our energy infrastructure though. On this much, we are in alignment.

 

[Hafar1014]

Having multiple options is just smart planning in my opinion. I don't think it's any deeper than that.

Having unreliable high cost energy like wind and solar is always bad idea.

 

[Anomalism]

Having unreliable high cost energy like wind and solar is always bad idea.

I'm not convinced wind energy will ever be efficient. Solar is rapidly improving every year though, and shows no signs of slowing down.

 

[Hafar1014]

I'm not convinced wind energy will ever be efficient. Solar is rapidly improving every year though, and shows no signs of slowing down.

Solar cant exist without subsidies and they are being canceled. Small modular nuclear reactors are the future.

 

[Anomalism]

Solar cant exist without subsidies and they are being canceled. Small modular nuclear reactors are the future.

You're missing the point. Solar is improving rapidly. In 10 years it will be profoundly more efficient than it is right now.

 

[Hafar1014]

You're missing the point. Solar is improving rapidly. In 10 years it will be profoundly more efficient than it is right now.

Solar cant improve because it cant work at night. ITs has to be backed up with toxic expensive batteries that create severe pollution in their construction and disposal. Batteries have to be replaced every 10 years and their ability to hold charge declines with age. Nuclear always works does not need back up and is clean and safe. Its a no brainer. Cover millions of acres of land with solar panels or small areas with nuclear power. Need more power just a module.

 

[Anomalism]

Solar cant improve

Easily refuted by reality.