Indigenous Palestinians Were JEWS

[Indeependent]

The blacks in South Africa had less education and less technology than the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. Christians care about their fellow Christians in Palestine. Christians are slowly turning against Israel. In a generation or two, Israeli Jews, already a minority in the territory they have control over, will have difficulty maintaining their police state.

Christians don't give a shit about each other.
I don't see the money or military flying in to help Christians in the Mideast.
Some Christians hate Jews. They hate Jews in France, Germany, Great Britain.
Don't confuse Jew Hatred with Christians loving each other.
When I see Christians paying each other's mortgages the way Jews do for each other, MAYBE I'll believe it.

God is with us because we put our money where our mouths are.
The only thing that hurts a Jew more than giving someone else money is seeing another Jew being attacked simply BECAUSE he's a Jew.

Now where are those 3 guys with beards?

 

[montelatici]

Christians do "give a shit" about each other. Russians are Christians, and they are supporting the secular Syrian state that has always protected the Christian minority in Syria, for example. God is not with you at all. Your history should tell you as much. Some Christians are confused at the moment and are supporting Israel at the expense of fellow Palestinian Christians, but that is changing.

You obviously haven't heard of our Catholic charity organizations that pay mortgage payments for the needy:

Saint Vincent de Paul Society
The Saint Vincent de Paul Society provides direct assistance to anyone suffering or in need. The society's motto is “No act of charity is foreign to the Society.” In addition to providing cash grants to help with a mortgage or other housing needs, the charity offers medical aid, shelter, food and clothing, and runs a proactive homeless prevention program. The mission is to alleviate the immediate need and work toward creating a long-term solution for the homeowner. Along with employment services, the program provides transportation assistance in the form of gas vouchers and bus tokens.

Catholic Charities
Catholic Charities provides emergency financial assistance to help cover housing expenses, including mortgage payments. Help is available regardless of religion. Catholic Charities is one of the leading charities in the Family Eviction Prevention Collaborative of California. Housing specialists meet one on one with homeowners seeking assistance to determine eligibility and explore options to prevent foreclosure.

Charities that Help with Mortgage Payments

 

[Indeependent]

Christians do "give a shit" about each other. Russians are Christians, and they are supporting the secular Syrian state that has always protected the Christian minority in Syria, for example. God is not with you at all. Your history should tell you as much. Some Christians are confused at the moment and are supporting Israel at the expense of fellow Palestinian Christians, but that is changing.

You obviously haven't heard of our Catholic charity organizations that pay mortgage payments for the needy:

Saint Vincent de Paul Society
The Saint Vincent de Paul Society provides direct assistance to anyone suffering or in need. The society's motto is “No act of charity is foreign to the Society.” In addition to providing cash grants to help with a mortgage or other housing needs, the charity offers medical aid, shelter, food and clothing, and runs a proactive homeless prevention program. The mission is to alleviate the immediate need and work toward creating a long-term solution for the homeowner. Along with employment services, the program provides transportation assistance in the form of gas vouchers and bus tokens.

Catholic Charities
Catholic Charities provides emergency financial assistance to help cover housing expenses, including mortgage payments. Help is available regardless of religion. Catholic Charities is one of the leading charities in the Family Eviction Prevention Collaborative of California. Housing specialists meet one on one with homeowners seeking assistance to determine eligibility and explore options to prevent foreclosure.

Charities that Help with Mortgage Payments

It has NOTHING to do with religion, it has EVERYTHING to do with oil and keeping control of the region away from the US.
So how many Christians do you know who pay the mortgage for their less fortunate neighbors.

 

[montelatici]

I pay for mortgages for less fortunate neighbors. I give 500 bucks a week to my local church/diocese and the diocese makes mortgage payments for less fortunate neighbors. You really haven't a clue about Christians, do you.

The Russian Christians disagree with you.

"Russia is waging a "holy war" in Syria to protect innocent Christians against the "tyranny of terrorism," the powerful Russian Orthodox Church declared in a statement on Wednesday as Russian warplanes began pounding targets in Syria."

Russian Orthodox Church supports Putin's 'holy war' in Syria to protect Christians | Christian News on Christian Today

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, this is very nearly true; as far as you take it.

Because the creation of the Palestine refugees was a direct consequence of a foolish (and immoral if not illegal) action of the U.N. a Palestinian refugee is defined differently. But you knew this, you were just trying to slip something by us, as usual.

"Palestinian refugees do not fall under the legal regime of refugee protection of the 1951 Refugee Convention, its companion instrument the 1967 Refugee Protocol, and the Statute of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) which is eligible to all other refugees. For the Palestinian refugees a special legal regime was created. This regime comprises two special UN agencies - the United Nations Conciliation Commission on Palestine (UNCCP) and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) as well as certain provisions of the 1951 Refugee Convention and the UNHCR statute. UNRWA was established in December 1948 with the dual mission of providing direct relief and establishing a “works program” for the approximately 700.000 refugees that fled what is now known as Israel in 1948. These services have been provided to those meeting UNRWA’s operational definition of “Palestine refugees”: persons whose normal place of residence was in Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948 and who lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. UNRWA’s mandate today includes also provision of basic needs to those refugees and internally displaced people (IDP) that had to flee their homes in the 1967 war as well as the descendants of the original male Palestinian refugees from 1948 and 1967 under the precondition that they live in one of UNRWA’s five fields of operations, whether in a camp or not. Only one third of the registered refugees still live in refugee camps. "

The legal Situation of Palestinian Refugees, Palestinian Territories

(REFERENCE)

There is a backlash developing where the major contributors are considering a review of just how the UNRWA has demonstrated any measure of success.

Time to Reconsider U.S. Support of UNRWA --- 5 March 2015
By Brett D. Schaefer and James Phillips

Six Decades of Failure

UNRWA has required enormous financial support from the international community—support that increases as the population served by UNRWA increases. Although UNRWA receives some resources from the U.N. regular budget, most of its funding is provided through voluntary contributions. The U.S. is the largest single-state donor to UNRWA, providing $294 million (24 percent of UNRWA contributions) to support the regular and non-regular budgets in 2013. Cumulatively, the U.S. has provided roughly $4.9 billion in contributions to UNRWA since 1950. Despite this generous support, the U.S. has been unable to address a number of concerns about UNRWA’s mandate, operations, and impact.​

--- --- ---

A Counterproductive Definition of Refugee.

UNRWA was set up to address a temporary crisis involving over 600,000 refugees defined as “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.” Many of these original refugees are deceased, but the refugee population has expanded to 5.09 million individuals because UNRWA redefined and expanded its definition of refugee. Today, UNRWA has made refugee status eligible to the “descendants of Palestine refugee males, including legally adopted children.” Under UNRWA, even if a Palestinian lives in the West Bank or Gaza—territory governed by Palestinians—or earns citizenship in another country, he is still considered a refugee. Moreover, some registered persons receiving UNRWA assistance are “economic refugees” who resided on the Arab side of the armistice line or were nomads or seasonal workers who were not displaced by the 1948 conflict.
​

(COMMENT)

Under current UNRWA Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) --- the definition of a Refugee is a one-of-a-kind nature. Only the Palestinians are allowed to define themselves and demand compensation. But I don't see the

Nothing you have said is wrong; but, it is not likely that in the next decade, the UNRWA will survive. There will be virtually no one that would match the international legal definition of a refugee in any other situation.

While the current situation generally favors the Palestinians, it is almost certain that in the long run, the Palestinians will not be allowed to takeover, overrun, or corrupt the State of Israel, the only country in the region which the world will never have to be worried about becoming a radical Islamic State.

Most Respectfully,
R

You can't really say that UNRWA has failed. It was to provide relief for Palestinian refugees. It was not to resolve the issues.

The United Nations Conciliation Commission on Palestine (UNCCP) was to address the problems. As far as I can tell, they held a few meeting until about 1951, flopped, and went home.

The UN has done nothing since.

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

No, I suppose not. We often disagree.

(COMMENT)

As to derailing and diverting the thread, I was directly responding to your Post #410 concerning the Palestinian "right to defend itself against the continued European Zionist colonisation of their land, by any means available to them."

Actually, you are not disagreeing with me at all, in the Proper Context. You are disagreeing with the Mandatory who expressed the opinion and their understanding in 1939. We often try to apply 21st Century interpretations on pre-WWII decisions; which leads to an incorrect understanding of the actions taken. In this case, you are (and of course you are free to do this) ignoring the 1939 intentions and misinterpreting the actions.

The idea was, and this was the interpretation put upon it at the time, that a Jewish State was not to be set up immediately by the Peace Treaty without reference to the wishes of the majority of the inhabitants. On the other hand, it was contemplated that when the time arrived for according representative institutions to Palestine, if the Jews had meanwhile responded to the opportunity afforded them by the idea of a national home and had become a definite majority of the inhabitants, then PaIestine would thus become a Jewish Commonwealth. ’ ’
​

This was the interpretation expressed by Right Honorable Sir Earl Peel (Chairman) and the Palestine Royal Commission (AKA Peel Commission Report).

Finally, the Jihadist Tactics, especially that with regard to HAMAS, are a bit complex. (I recommend you read the Naval Postgraduate School,Center for Contemporary Conflict Report titled Hamas: A Further Exploration of Jihadist Tactics as a start.) Understanding that HAMAS, at the organizational level, "does not conceal its intentions or methodology for exercising control over the Palestinian population." (This is very important, the intention is to control the Palestinian people.) Jihadist tactics evolve with time relative to the goals and objectives.

• In the beginning, Hamas (1988 thru early 1990's) slowly creates a society that is ripe to adopt the suicide tactics of that similar to Hezbollah (Lebanon).
• Hamas begins the early process of galvanizing a segment of the Palestinian people to never accept peace, and only recognize PLO negotiations and settlements as temporary.
• Hamas leaders study Arab modern history, carefully selecting dates to energize resistance and acts of violence in Gaza.
• Isolating and attacking "soft targets."
• Launching attacks from large stand-off areas and within "densely populated areas."

HAMAS, as anti-Israeli Jihadist, fired thousands of Qassam rockets from Gaza into southern Israeli cities and villages, vowing to turn them into "ghost town." HAMAS activities embedded their infrastructure inside schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings – thereby taking cover behind “human shields.”

Jihadists change tactics to target Egypt Achilles heel: analysts
By Tony Gamal-Gabriel June 10, 2015
​

Most Respectfully,
R

So what does all this have to do with the Palestinian's right to defend themselves?

Defend themselves not fire illegal rockets at Israeli children. Doing that is instigating violence and means that then Israel is defending against that violence. If 2000 Palestinians get killed in the process the blame lies with the Palestinians for instigating the violence in the first place.

Do you understand yet that you defend against attacks you don't defend by instigating attacks.

It's just unfortunate that your blind, zionut brain cannot see the truth...

Do you understand that 'Freedom fighters' will always fight for their freedom!

And they never fire illegal weapons at the enemies children as that is a war crime that will result in their children becoming targets. If someone targeted your children from Palestine would you still say " well they are only fighting for their freedom" or would you demand they be bombed into submitting ?

Let me give you a clue...

I would certainly NOT have been voting for Netanyahu in the last elections!

And yes, they are 'only'(?) fighting for their freedom!

If you were living under constant threat and oppression would you not "fight for your freedom"?

I would not fire illegal weapons at children to strike terror into the minds of their parents. They still have to abide by the IHL, Geneva conventions and UN charter. This means they can only oppose the occupation through the courts and by refusing to assist the occupying forces. They have to act within the laws of the occupied land as they stood at the time it was occupied. What the Palestinian are doing is a war crime and a crime against humanity and you are defending the terrorism used.

WHAT DOES THIS MAKE YOU

 

[Phoenall]

Because the creation of the Palestine refugees was a direct consequence of a foolish (and immoral if not illegal) action of the U.N. a Palestinian refugee is defined differently. But you knew this, you were just trying to slip something by us, as usual.

"Palestinian refugees do not fall under the legal regime of refugee protection of the 1951 Refugee Convention, its companion instrument the 1967 Refugee Protocol, and the Statute of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) which is eligible to all other refugees. For the Palestinian refugees a special legal regime was created. This regime comprises two special UN agencies - the United Nations Conciliation Commission on Palestine (UNCCP) and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) as well as certain provisions of the 1951 Refugee Convention and the UNHCR statute. UNRWA was established in December 1948 with the dual mission of providing direct relief and establishing a “works program” for the approximately 700.000 refugees that fled what is now known as Israel in 1948. These services have been provided to those meeting UNRWA’s operational definition of “Palestine refugees”: persons whose normal place of residence was in Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948 and who lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. UNRWA’s mandate today includes also provision of basic needs to those refugees and internally displaced people (IDP) that had to flee their homes in the 1967 war as well as the descendants of the original male Palestinian refugees from 1948 and 1967 under the precondition that they live in one of UNRWA’s five fields of operations, whether in a camp or not. Only one third of the registered refugees still live in refugee camps. "

The legal Situation of Palestinian Refugees, Palestinian Territories

And when we read further we come across this


The definition of refugees used by UNRWA is limited to needy persons only. Till today, the beneficiaries that fall under the UNWRA mandate do receive only basic subsistence, like food, clothing and shelter, but are not granted the human rights and fundamental freedoms that are guaranteed by the 1951 Refugee Convention, its accompanying Protocol and the UNHCR statute. These rights and freedoms include freedom of religion (Art.4), rights in property (Art. 13), access to courts (Art. 16) freedom from undue restrictions on employment (Art. 17), primary education (Art. 22) and identity papers (Art. 27) but also the facilitation of a voluntary durable solution, such as repatriation, resettlement and integration. As the legal regime for Palestinian refugees does not give comprehensive protection and not all Palestinian refugees and IDPs are eligible for UNRWA services, it is discussed controversially if, and to which degree the general refugee regulations as guaranteed in the 1951 Refugee Convention and the Statute of the UNHCR can be applied to Palestinian refugees as well.



So in effect they have less rights for being Palestinian refugees because they did not hit the criteria for legal refugee status being recent arrivals to the lands. In other words they were not Palestinians but illegal immigrants from other areas.

 

[Humanity]

So what does all this have to do with the Palestinian's right to defend themselves?

Defend themselves not fire illegal rockets at Israeli children. Doing that is instigating violence and means that then Israel is defending against that violence. If 2000 Palestinians get killed in the process the blame lies with the Palestinians for instigating the violence in the first place.

Do you understand yet that you defend against attacks you don't defend by instigating attacks.

It's just unfortunate that your blind, zionut brain cannot see the truth...

Do you understand that 'Freedom fighters' will always fight for their freedom!

And they never fire illegal weapons at the enemies children as that is a war crime that will result in their children becoming targets. If someone targeted your children from Palestine would you still say " well they are only fighting for their freedom" or would you demand they be bombed into submitting ?

Let me give you a clue...

I would certainly NOT have been voting for Netanyahu in the last elections!

And yes, they are 'only'(?) fighting for their freedom!

If you were living under constant threat and oppression would you not "fight for your freedom"?

I would not fire illegal weapons at children to strike terror into the minds of their parents. They still have to abide by the IHL, Geneva conventions and UN charter. This means they can only oppose the occupation through the courts and by refusing to assist the occupying forces. They have to act within the laws of the occupied land as they stood at the time it was occupied. What the Palestinian are doing is a war crime and a crime against humanity and you are defending the terrorism used.

WHAT DOES THIS MAKE YOU

And israel doesn't have to abide by any conventions or laws...

That just makes you a bigoted, racist zionut you idiot!

 

[Kondor3]

...The UN has done nothing since.

And will do nothing in future, either...

Very few people outside the Arab world really and truly give two shits about the Palestinians...

Mad Dogs don't elicit much sympathy...

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

No, I suppose not. We often disagree.

It will come as no surprise for you to learn that I disagree with your assertion and interpretation, however I have no intention of derailing and diverting the thread towards yet another interminable discussion on interpretations of international law.

Out of curiousity, however, care to define what you mean by "jihadist tactics"?

(COMMENT)

As to derailing and diverting the thread, I was directly responding to your Post #410 concerning the Palestinian "right to defend itself against the continued European Zionist colonisation of their land, by any means available to them."

Actually, you are not disagreeing with me at all, in the Proper Context. You are disagreeing with the Mandatory who expressed the opinion and their understanding in 1939. We often try to apply 21st Century interpretations on pre-WWII decisions; which leads to an incorrect understanding of the actions taken. In this case, you are (and of course you are free to do this) ignoring the 1939 intentions and misinterpreting the actions.

The idea was, and this was the interpretation put upon it at the time, that a Jewish State was not to be set up immediately by the Peace Treaty without reference to the wishes of the majority of the inhabitants. On the other hand, it was contemplated that when the time arrived for according representative institutions to Palestine, if the Jews had meanwhile responded to the opportunity afforded them by the idea of a national home and had become a definite majority of the inhabitants, then PaIestine would thus become a Jewish Commonwealth. ’ ’
​

This was the interpretation expressed by Right Honorable Sir Earl Peel (Chairman) and the Palestine Royal Commission (AKA Peel Commission Report).

Finally, the Jihadist Tactics, especially that with regard to HAMAS, are a bit complex. (I recommend you read the Naval Postgraduate School,Center for Contemporary Conflict Report titled Hamas: A Further Exploration of Jihadist Tactics as a start.) Understanding that HAMAS, at the organizational level, "does not conceal its intentions or methodology for exercising control over the Palestinian population." (This is very important, the intention is to control the Palestinian people.) Jihadist tactics evolve with time relative to the goals and objectives.

• In the beginning, Hamas (1988 thru early 1990's) slowly creates a society that is ripe to adopt the suicide tactics of that similar to Hezbollah (Lebanon).
• Hamas begins the early process of galvanizing a segment of the Palestinian people to never accept peace, and only recognize PLO negotiations and settlements as temporary.
• Hamas leaders study Arab modern history, carefully selecting dates to energize resistance and acts of violence in Gaza.
• Isolating and attacking "soft targets."
• Launching attacks from large stand-off areas and within "densely populated areas."

HAMAS, as anti-Israeli Jihadist, fired thousands of Qassam rockets from Gaza into southern Israeli cities and villages, vowing to turn them into "ghost town." HAMAS activities embedded their infrastructure inside schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings – thereby taking cover behind “human shields.”

Jihadists change tactics to target Egypt Achilles heel: analysts
By Tony Gamal-Gabriel June 10, 2015
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Hi, I wasn't accusing you of trying to derail the thread, but had I responded the effect would have been to derail the thread.

Interesting article by Youssef H. Aboul-Enein, who has been promoted to full Commander since he wrote it. I found the article disturbing on several levels, not least of which was Aboul-Enein's lack of understanding of the difference between "Fard 'ain" and "Fard kifayah", something I'd expect a Muslim to grasp. The article seems to be a pre-able towards a theme he later expounds upon at great length in his later book "Militant Islamist Ideology: Understanding the Global Threat". Regarding the content, I suspect he's read Robert Taber's "War of the flea", because most of the "tactics" used by Islamist resistance groups have previously been used by the various guerilla groups of the 1960's onwards including the Malayan Rebels, Viet Minh and Viet Cong to name but three. Bizarrely he states Hamas are copying Hezbullah's tactics and vice versa; like regular armies don't learn from each other's experience and apply best practice?

Basicaly nothing Hamas does hasn't already been done by national resistance movements against foreign occupiers, so to refer to them as specifically "Jihadist tactics" is perhaps a bit disingenuous.

 

[Challenger]

Seems obvious to me.

"Invasion" = an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity;
an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

Legality however, is more a grey area, and depends where one believes ultimate sovereignty to reside.

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

Only in your fantasy world of planet Phoney. There are less than 600 Muslims, mainly from Pakistan where you live, an area that's 99% WASP, which probably explains why you are a card carrying fascist. I doubt you've ever seen a Muslim close up, unless it's the person behind the counter at your corner shop when you buy your beer and ciggies.

Phoney is hypocrite, sound like he confused too.

Phoney is an internet troll and really not worth bothering with most of the time.

 

[Challenger]

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

The only people who ever massacred Palesinians were Zionist Israel and it's allies and proxies.

Zionist are actually jews and jews are very good under cove or use other name instead.

Well no, Zionists come in many forms, not all of them are Jewish by any stretch of the imagination. Christian Zionism is quite commonplace in the USA and Europe and, like it or not, there are also Muslim Zionists, each pursuing their own nasty agendas. Zionism was invented in England in the 17th century by Puritan Protestants, some of whom took it to America. Herzl was a latecomer to Zionism, but he created a mass movement from what were up to then whacky, fringe, ideas.

 

[Challenger]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I would have expected this as a response.

• Demonstrated their willingness or determined to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbors.​

​

Israel is not a neighbor. It is an occupation.

Your post is based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

There have been several "Occupations" that took place that were not belligerent. And they all ended on a successful note. The intentional violent nature of the Arab Palestinians has prolonged the "Occupation."

But that is water under the bridge.

It is not likely that the contemporary (post-1948 forward) Arab Palestinians will, in their lifetime, see a successful, prosperous and free State of Palestine in their lifetime. The minimum age of of a true refugee born in what is now Israel would be nearly 68 years old. An 18 year old adult from that time (1948) would be approaching 85 years old. It is estimated that the people aged 65 or more constituted 2.9% of the total population – 3.2% in the West Bank and 2.4% in the Gaza Strip.

The Estimated Life expectancy:

• Total Population: 75.01 years

• Male: 72.97 years
• Female: 77.17 years (2011 est.)
​

Very soon, there will be no remaining Arab Palestinian that even lived in Israel in 1948 and can claim to be a true refugee; or that will meet the criteria under Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.

Most respectfully,
R

Israel has always been a settler colonial project. The Palestinians were to be replaced by foreign settlers. Belligerent occupation is merely a means to that end. Whether the Palestinians and Israelis got along or not would not change that ultimate goal. In fact if the Palestinians were more docile there would be nothing left of Palestine to fight over.

The Palestinians have been defending themselves with whatever little they have for a hundred years.

You are stating that the Arab nomads of Israel were the ONLY Arabs to have no weapons since 1915?
Everybody else got weapons BEFORE 1948 but NOBODY, including their OWN brethren, would supply them with arms?
You better have a talk with the rest of the Arab world; unfeeling assholes.

The Muslim and Christian population of Palestine expected the LoN and U.N. to follow their own rules and allow them self-determination, instead they got another dose of foreign colonialism via the Mandate system. Right up until the Jewish colonists effectively seceded from Palestine to create their own state, most Palestinians were expecting a negotiated settlement allowing the majority of the population their sovereign rights. The only people planning for war were the Jewish colonists. The neighbouring Muslim states had no weapons to supply to the Palestinians when the war broke out in 1948, and both Jordan and Lebanon colluded with the Zionists to some extent. So unprepared for war were the Arab states, they all but ran out of ammunition towards the end of the conflict.

 

[Challenger]

Because the creation of the Palestine refugees was a direct consequence of a foolish (and immoral if not illegal) action of the U.N. a Palestinian refugee is defined differently. But you knew this, you were just trying to slip something by us, as usual.

"Palestinian refugees do not fall under the legal regime of refugee protection of the 1951 Refugee Convention, its companion instrument the 1967 Refugee Protocol, and the Statute of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) which is eligible to all other refugees. For the Palestinian refugees a special legal regime was created. This regime comprises two special UN agencies - the United Nations Conciliation Commission on Palestine (UNCCP) and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) as well as certain provisions of the 1951 Refugee Convention and the UNHCR statute. UNRWA was established in December 1948 with the dual mission of providing direct relief and establishing a “works program” for the approximately 700.000 refugees that fled what is now known as Israel in 1948. These services have been provided to those meeting UNRWA’s operational definition of “Palestine refugees”: persons whose normal place of residence was in Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948 and who lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. UNRWA’s mandate today includes also provision of basic needs to those refugees and internally displaced people (IDP) that had to flee their homes in the 1967 war as well as the descendants of the original male Palestinian refugees from 1948 and 1967 under the precondition that they live in one of UNRWA’s five fields of operations, whether in a camp or not. Only one third of the registered refugees still live in refugee camps. "

The legal Situation of Palestinian Refugees, Palestinian Territories

Well duh, reading your own link, who the hell made the Palestinians "refugees" between 1948 & 1967 during the Arab/Israeli wars?

The Zionists did.

 

[Challenger]

The blacks in South Africa had less education and less technology than the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. Christians care about their fellow Christians in Palestine. Christians are slowly turning against Israel. In a generation or two, Israeli Jews, already a minority in the territory they have control over, will have difficulty maintaining their police state.

Christians don't give a shit about each other.
I don't see the money or military flying in to help Christians in the Mideast.
Some Christians hate Jews. They hate Jews in France, Germany, Great Britain.
Don't confuse Jew Hatred with Christians loving each other.
When I see Christians paying each other's mortgages the way Jews do for each other, MAYBE I'll believe it.

God is with us because we put our money where our mouths are.
The only thing that hurts a Jew more than giving someone else money is seeing another Jew being attacked simply BECAUSE he's a Jew.

Now where are those 3 guys with beards?

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

The only people who ever massacred Palesinians were Zionist Israel and it's allies and proxies.

Zionist are actually jews and jews are very good under cove or use other name instead.

They hate Jews in France, Germany, Great Britain.

Do they? Is that why Israelis are emigrating to settle permanently in Berlin? Is that why the majority of the French Jewish population told Bibi where to stuff his invitation for them to leave and come to Israel, the Zionist paradise. Is thay why most of the British government belong to "Friends of Israel" and the UK has the second largest Jewish population in Europe, 5th largest in the world?

Gosh, those poor people, experiencing all that hatred...

 

[Rehmani]

Rehmani, et al,

This is something I don't understand.

Well I can see that how you are supporting the illegal invasion by jews.

(COMMENT)

Many pro-Palestinians make this remark that it was:

• An "invasion."
• It was "illegal."

I would like to know what definition you use for invasion?

I would like to know what law was broken that makes it illegal?

Most Respectfully,
R

Please see Montelatici post or may be you already have that I think he explain well.

Monte's posts are wonderful. So little left for us to laugh at these days while those you support are killing us infidels all over the world.

This world base on logic and Monte's making sense to me, it doesn't matter who Monte's is.

Wasn't that one of the concepts you stole from the Assyrians because you had no intelligent people of your own ?

I should agree with Challenger that should not wast time on phoney comments because you are here to pass time or complete the number of post assign by the boss means propagandist.

 

[Rehmani]

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

The only people who ever massacred Palesinians were Zionist Israel and it's allies and proxies.

Well then, damn those Zionists for giving the noble peace loving, life loving Palestinians Black September. Don't you agree?

Well should accept the fact that Zionist are jews too otherwise they can not go along with jews because jews don't mix up with others. How many of you know jew personally.

 

[Rehmani]

Rehmani, et al,

This is something I don't understand.

(COMMENT)

Many pro-Palestinians make this remark that it was:

• An "invasion."
• It was "illegal."

I would like to know what definition you use for invasion?

I would like to know what law was broken that makes it illegal?

Most Respectfully,
R

Seems obvious to me.

"Invasion" = an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity;
an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

Legality however, is more a grey area, and depends where one believes ultimate sovereignty to reside.

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

MJB what if you through from these problem, palestinian people are facing from Jews. I am sure then you would think properly instead.

 

[montelatici]

Sound just like the arab muslim invasion of Jewish Palestine then.

And now the muslim invasion of Europe that will be turned back as more and more nations are rising up against them

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

Only in your fantasy world of planet Phoney. There are less than 600 Muslims, mainly from Pakistan where you live, an area that's 99% WASP, which probably explains why you are a card carrying fascist. I doubt you've ever seen a Muslim close up, unless it's the person behind the counter at your corner shop when you buy your beer and ciggies.

Phoney is hypocrite, sound like he confused too.

Phoney is an internet troll and really not worth bothering with most of the time.

Yes, that is why I put it (not sure it's human) on ignore months ago.

 

[MJB12741]

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

Sound like you are here just for the argument sack not for the peace as you already got answer in previous post.

I live in Europe and I see the invasion of muslim scum every day, I see them throwing rocks and petrol bombs. I see them using holy places as toilets and destroying the contents of churches. I see them demanding more and more or they will turn very violent.
So don't talk to me about peace as the only peace you scum understand is when you are beaten down and kept down. Expect Europe to rise up against islam and start pushing the muslims back towards their own countries, Nationalism is on the rise and the people are speaking through the ballot box now.

I got LIES that will never be the answer to the muslim problem, Jordan and Lebanon showed the only way to reach agreement with the Palestinians, mass killings in retaliation for terrorism and violence.

It is sad but true that the only way to establish peace from Palestinians has been for Arab countries to massacre them by the tens of housands. Hopefully the Palestinains will learns to leave Israel some better option.

The only people who ever massacred Palesinians were Zionist Israel and it's allies and proxies.

Zionist are actually jews and jews are very good under cove or use other name instead.

Well no, Zionists come in many forms, not all of them are Jewish by any stretch of the imagination. Christian Zionism is quite commonplace in the USA and Europe and, like it or not, there are also Muslim Zionists, each pursuing their own nasty agendas. Zionism was invented in England in the 17th century by Puritan Protestants, some of whom took it to America. Herzl was a latecomer to Zionism, but he created a mass movement from what were up to then whacky, fringe, ideas.

It is true that Zionism began with Christians. What I don't understand is how Chrisitans can refer to Jews as God's chosen people when we consider what he gave them for neighbors in Israel.