In re: Orlando : The Pachyderm in the Room

[flacaltenn]

Flacaltenn

I really appreciate it you letting me broadcast this urgent message. We must protect AMERICAN LIVES FIRST. WE MUST EXPOSE OFFICIAL CORRUPTION.

Muslims are killing each other just fine fine in Syria and Libya and Yemen WITHOUT any help from the US or Israel. You should focus on the immense mistakes made by both parties trying to make over the MidEast as an open democratic region.

 

[Contumacious]

The Guardian - UK

. Indeed, a number of key figures in the Syrian opposition movement are long-term exiles who were receiving US government funding to undermine the Assad government long before the Arab spring broke out

Though it is not yet stated US government policy to oust Assad by force, these spokespeople are vocal advocates of foreign military intervention in Syria and thus natural allies of well-known US neoconservatives who supported Bush's invasion of Iraq and are now pressuring the Obama administration to intervene.


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[MisterBeale]

In fact --- the Israelis were TOO SMART to listen to PNAC. Unfortunately, Clinton/Bush were not.

You really should just stick to the chronic shitty US decisions that were made for decades on Mid-East policy. A guy like you shouldn't have ANY problem realizes how inept OUR leadership has been...............

Obama wants to destroy Syria for Israel .

But he does NOT want to send ground troops to fight there, So contrary to his assertions he needs ISIS.ISIS is doing the dirty bloody work there

Syrian Opposition’s Amazing CIA Credentials

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I'm not sure I agree.

Ever since the Russians have been getting involved, the American establishment/Deep State would love to get American troops in there to cut the Syrian regime off at the knees as quickly as possible.

Now it seems, the first major power with a large troop build up of BOOTS ON THE GROUND, will be the winner.


The major powers can't ever come into direct conflict, or, well, that will mean WWIII. SO basically, it comes down to who can get more force there the quickest, and more control more quickly. It's been washing back and forth for years now.


The west is now losing, and badly. Major cities are now falling to Assad, he is taking his nation back, and the only way for the west to win at this point is for them to send in their own advisors and their own troops. Something they have been wanting to do all along. Now they will increase the number of terror attacks via Gladio B (like in Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino, Orlando, etc.) so there will be less popular resistance to this plan, as already seems to be the case. The propaganda is elevated. Once election season is over, look for this to happen. Already, troops are moving in from Europe and the U.S.


The more attacks are staged, the more support for force will be available.

 

[Contumacious]

Flacaltenn

I really appreciate it you letting me broadcast this urgent message. We must protect AMERICAN LIVES FIRST. WE MUST EXPOSE OFFICIAL CORRUPTION.

Muslims are killing each other just fine fine in Syria and Libya and Yemen WITHOUT any help from the US or Israel. You should focus on the immense mistakes made by both parties trying to make over the MidEast as an open democratic region.

Please read the Article from the Guardian.


Muslims are killing each others while being manipulated by US interests


ISIS is populated by former Sunni officers from Iraq.

They want to remove Al Assad because he is not a Sunni. Saudi Arabia is funding the operation.

Israel wants Syrian real state, and to disarm that country. They never expected Putin to get involved.


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[Contumacious]

In fact --- the Israelis were TOO SMART to listen to PNAC. Unfortunately, Clinton/Bush were not.

You really should just stick to the chronic shitty US decisions that were made for decades on Mid-East policy. A guy like you shouldn't have ANY problem realizes how inept OUR leadership has been...............

Obama wants to destroy Syria for Israel .

But he does NOT want to send ground troops to fight there, So contrary to his assertions he needs ISIS.ISIS is doing the dirty bloody work there

Syrian Opposition’s Amazing CIA Credentials

.

I'm not sure I agree.

Ever since the Russians have been getting involved, the American establishment/Deep State would love to get American troops in there to cut the Syrian regime off at the knees as quickly as possible.

Now it seems, the first major power with a large troop build up of BOOTS ON THE GROUND, will be the winner.


The major powers can't ever come into direct conflict, or, well, that will mean WWIII. SO basically, it comes down to who can get more force there the quickest, and more control more quickly. It's been washing back and forth for years now.


The west is now losing, and badly. Major cities are now falling to Assad, he is taking his nation back, and the only way for the west to win at this point is for them to send in their own advisors and their own troops. Something they have been wanting to do all along. Now they will increase the number of terror attacks via Gladio B (like in Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino, Orlando, etc.) so there will be less popular resistance to this plan, as already seems to be the case. The propaganda is elevated. Once election season is over, look for this to happen. Already, troops are moving in from Europe and the U.S.


The more attacks are staged, the more support for force will be available.

A newly-released Hilary Clinton email confirmed that the Obama administration has deliberately provoked the civil war in Syria as the “best way to help Israel.”

If Putin doesn't back down then we will have WWIII. If Putin loses well, he is already a billionaire, so like Trump he has nothing to lose.


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[Contumacious]

LA Times

U.S. policy on Israel key motive for effort

By Terry McDermott

KHALID Shaikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with American support for Israel, said the final report of the Sept. 11 commission.


.PS 09/11 Commission Report page 147

 

[Contumacious]

LA Times


"After he was captured in Pakistan in early 2003, he told his interrogators that although he had developed no special complaint about America in his years here, he [ Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ] felt strongly that U.S. support of Israel was wrong and could be corrected by attacking the United States,"" reports Los Angeles Times writer Terry McDermott.*

 

[Contumacious]

The goal of “disappearing” the indigenous Arab population points to a virtual truism buried beneath a mountain of apologetic Zionist literature: what spurred Palestinians’ opposition to Zionism was not anti-Semitism in the sense of an irrational hatred of Jews but rather the prospect—very real—of their expulsion. In his magisterial study of Palestinian nationalism, Yehoshua Porath suggests that the “major factor nourishing” Arab anti-Semitism “was not hatred for the Jews as such but opposition to Jewish settlement in Palestine”.7

NORMAN G. FINKELSTEIN
Renown American Historian

 

[Contumacious]

Across the mainstream Zionist spectrum, it was understood from the outset that Palestine’s indigenous Arab population would not acquiesce in its dispossession. “Contrary to the claim that is often made, Zionism was not blind to the presence of Arabs in Palestine,” Zeev Sternhell observes. “If Zionist intellectuals and leaders ignored the Arab dilemma, it was chiefly because they knew that this problem had no solution within the Zionist way of thinking … [I]n general both sides understood each other well and knew that the implementation of Zionism could be only at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs.”1 “There is no example in history,” David Ben-Gurion declared, succinctly framing the core problem, “that a nation opens the gates of its country, not because of necessity … but because the nation which wants to come in has explained its desire to it.”2

 

[Contumacious]

An Interview with Benny Morris
by ARI SHAVIT

Note: Benny Morris is the dean of Israeli ‘new historians’, who have done so much to create a critical vision of Zionism–its expulsion and continuing oppression of the Palestinians, its pressing need for moral and political atonement. His 1987 book, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, chronicled the Zionist murders, terrorism, and ethnic cleansing that drove 600,000-750,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, thus refuting the myth that they fled under the orders of Arab leaders. A second edition of this book is due out this month, chronicling even more massacres, and a previously unsuspected number of rapes and murders of Palestinian women. Thus Morris continues to provide crucial documentation for Palestinians fighting the heritage of Al-Nakba, “The Catastrophe.”

 

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It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration. But, with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. That Palestine was not to be converted into a Jewish State might be held to be implied in the passage from the Command Paper of 1922 which reads as follows

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

British Government

 

[Contumacious]

“Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full well that my son, my family, this nation and this world were betrayed by George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agendas after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy … not for the real reason, because the Arab Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy.”

Cindy Sheehan

 

[Contumacious]

President Obama Cites Terrorism and Gun Control in Orlando Shooting

, the president says it appears that the shooter, Omar Mateen, was inspired by "extremist information" disseminated via the internet, but the massacre was not part of a larger plot.


I see, so the fact that Truman stole Palestine from 1.3 million Palestinians is "extremist information"


The fact that the US has subsidized the Palestinian Holocaust since 1949 to the tune of $125 BBBillions is "extremist information"

The fact that the US invaded Iraq to help Israel and remained there for 18 years is "extremist information"


The fact that the US has destroyed Syria to defend Israel is "extremist information"

 

[Contumacious]

Remember the Golan Heights?

After the 1967 war, Israel ethnically cleansed Golan, leveling the capital, Kuneitra, with bulldozers and expelled almost all Golan’s 130,000 Druze and Arab inhabitants. Jewish settlers were brought in to replace them. The US shielded Israel from UN action and world-wide protests.

Before 2011, Israel hinted that it would return Golan to Syria as part of a comprehensive peace agreement – provided Damascus ceased supporting Palestinian claims to their lost lands. But once the Syrian civil war conveniently began, there was no more talk of Golan.

In fact, it’s pretty much clear that Israel has been quietly fueling the Syrian conflict by discreet arms and logistics support to so-called “moderate” Syrian rebels and lobbying for the war in Washington and with the US media. Netanyahu has even said – with a straight face – that Israel cannot return Golan or even negotiate, until calm returns to Syria and Iraq.

 

[Tehon]

Oh so destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, and Somalia wasn't enough? Had to toss in Syria to see if Democracy would bloom like a rose there huh?

We did not HAVE a "Libya policy" or a "Syria policy".. THAT'S the reality. This Admin has been winging it from day one. In fact PUTIN had to back the spinaless duo of Obama/Kerry from the bombing the shit out of Syria for "WMDs".. How ironic was that?

You got nothing really.. Just an intense hatred of Israel's existence.

Oh but powerful American Likudnicks did develop a Syria policy back in 1996.


"This doctrine was prefigured in a 1996 paper prepared for then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a working group consisting of several individuals who are now in top spots in the Bush administration. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" recommended that Israel set itself free from its embarrassing and debilitating dependence on U.S. military and diplomatic support: no matter how unconditional, this support constrained Israel and prevented it from pursuing its true interests. The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert,Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq."

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right? They wrote LOTS of papers and Benny Netanyahu gets a lot of fan mail..

You got nothing.. EXCEPT a bunch of disgraced advisors who got Bush into trouble...

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right?

They didn't vanish, they have been hiding in plain sight right under your nose. Everything Contumacious has said is spot on, we ignore it at our own peril.

Hillary Clinton's Project For A New American Century
Here we go again. Earlier this year, some were surprised to see Project For The New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and longtime DC fixture Robert Kagan endorse former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for president.

They shouldn’t have been. As is now clear from a policy paper [PDF] published last month, the neoconservatives are going all-in on Hillary Clinton being the best vessel for American power in the years ahead.

The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy. Flournoy served in the Obama Administration under Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the next secretary of defense, should Hillary Clinton become president.

The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.

 

[Contumacious]

Oh so destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, and Somalia wasn't enough? Had to toss in Syria to see if Democracy would bloom like a rose there huh?

We did not HAVE a "Libya policy" or a "Syria policy".. THAT'S the reality. This Admin has been winging it from day one. In fact PUTIN had to back the spinaless duo of Obama/Kerry from the bombing the shit out of Syria for "WMDs".. How ironic was that?

You got nothing really.. Just an intense hatred of Israel's existence.

Oh but powerful American Likudnicks did develop a Syria policy back in 1996.


"This doctrine was prefigured in a 1996 paper prepared for then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a working group consisting of several individuals who are now in top spots in the Bush administration. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" recommended that Israel set itself free from its embarrassing and debilitating dependence on U.S. military and diplomatic support: no matter how unconditional, this support constrained Israel and prevented it from pursuing its true interests. The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert,Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq."

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right? They wrote LOTS of papers and Benny Netanyahu gets a lot of fan mail..

You got nothing.. EXCEPT a bunch of disgraced advisors who got Bush into trouble...

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right?

They didn't vanish, they have been hiding in plain sight right under your nose. Everything Contumacious has said is spot on, we ignore it at our own peril.

Hillary Clinton's Project For A New American Century
Here we go again. Earlier this year, some were surprised to see Project For The New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and longtime DC fixture Robert Kagan endorse former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for president.

They shouldn’t have been. As is now clear from a policy paper [PDF] published last month, the neoconservatives are going all-in on Hillary Clinton being the best vessel for American power in the years ahead.

The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy. Flournoy served in the Obama Administration under Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the next secretary of defense, should Hillary Clinton become president.

The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.

Yes, indeed .


Hillary Is a Dangerous Neocon Warhawk -


So, Clinton made clear – both at the debate and in her recent AIPAC speech – that she is fully in line with the neocon reverence for Israel and eager to take out any government or group that Israel puts on its enemies list. While waxing rhapsodic about the U.S.-Israeli relationship – promising to take it “to the next level” – Clinton vows to challenge Syria, Iran, Russia and other countries that have resisted or obstructed the neocon/Israeli “wish list” for “regime change

 

[flacaltenn]

Oh so destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, and Somalia wasn't enough? Had to toss in Syria to see if Democracy would bloom like a rose there huh?

We did not HAVE a "Libya policy" or a "Syria policy".. THAT'S the reality. This Admin has been winging it from day one. In fact PUTIN had to back the spinaless duo of Obama/Kerry from the bombing the shit out of Syria for "WMDs".. How ironic was that?

You got nothing really.. Just an intense hatred of Israel's existence.

Oh but powerful American Likudnicks did develop a Syria policy back in 1996.


"This doctrine was prefigured in a 1996 paper prepared for then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a working group consisting of several individuals who are now in top spots in the Bush administration. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" recommended that Israel set itself free from its embarrassing and debilitating dependence on U.S. military and diplomatic support: no matter how unconditional, this support constrained Israel and prevented it from pursuing its true interests. The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert,Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq."

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right? They wrote LOTS of papers and Benny Netanyahu gets a lot of fan mail..

You got nothing.. EXCEPT a bunch of disgraced advisors who got Bush into trouble...

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right?

They didn't vanish, they have been hiding in plain sight right under your nose. Everything Contumacious has said is spot on, we ignore it at our own peril.

Hillary Clinton's Project For A New American Century
Here we go again. Earlier this year, some were surprised to see Project For The New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and longtime DC fixture Robert Kagan endorse former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for president.

They shouldn’t have been. As is now clear from a policy paper [PDF] published last month, the neoconservatives are going all-in on Hillary Clinton being the best vessel for American power in the years ahead.

The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy. Flournoy served in the Obama Administration under Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the next secretary of defense, should Hillary Clinton become president.

The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.

Pfffft.. The link actually says that some discredited jerk from PNAC endorsed her. That's it. You can't control your endorsements. Obama gets the Communists, Trump gets the racist morons, and Libertarians sometime get YOU guys who think that because we endorse a sounder foreign policy that we will abandon a working relationship with Israel and send the Zionists packing.

Decided over six dinners?? Oooowwwwww. That sounds nefarious. All these jerks do these days is have dinners and write papers. You know ANYONE stupid enough to keep pushing Democracy in a regions that REQUIRES ruthless, tyrannical, theocratic leadership to keep the peace? Nawww.

 

[Tehon]

Oh so destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, and Somalia wasn't enough? Had to toss in Syria to see if Democracy would bloom like a rose there huh?

We did not HAVE a "Libya policy" or a "Syria policy".. THAT'S the reality. This Admin has been winging it from day one. In fact PUTIN had to back the spinaless duo of Obama/Kerry from the bombing the shit out of Syria for "WMDs".. How ironic was that?

You got nothing really.. Just an intense hatred of Israel's existence.

Oh but powerful American Likudnicks did develop a Syria policy back in 1996.


"This doctrine was prefigured in a 1996 paper prepared for then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a working group consisting of several individuals who are now in top spots in the Bush administration. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" recommended that Israel set itself free from its embarrassing and debilitating dependence on U.S. military and diplomatic support: no matter how unconditional, this support constrained Israel and prevented it from pursuing its true interests. The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert,Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq."

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right? They wrote LOTS of papers and Benny Netanyahu gets a lot of fan mail..

You got nothing.. EXCEPT a bunch of disgraced advisors who got Bush into trouble...

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right?

They didn't vanish, they have been hiding in plain sight right under your nose. Everything Contumacious has said is spot on, we ignore it at our own peril.

Hillary Clinton's Project For A New American Century
Here we go again. Earlier this year, some were surprised to see Project For The New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and longtime DC fixture Robert Kagan endorse former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for president.

They shouldn’t have been. As is now clear from a policy paper [PDF] published last month, the neoconservatives are going all-in on Hillary Clinton being the best vessel for American power in the years ahead.

The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy. Flournoy served in the Obama Administration under Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the next secretary of defense, should Hillary Clinton become president.

The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.

Pfffft.. The link actually says that some discredited jerk from PNAC endorsed her. That's it. You can't control your endorsements. Obama gets the Communists, Trump gets the racist morons, and Libertarians sometime get YOU guys who think that because we endorse a sounder foreign policy that we will abandon a working relationship with Israel and send the Zionists packing.

Decided over six dinners?? Oooowwwwww. That sounds nefarious. All these jerks do these days is have dinners and write papers. You know ANYONE stupid enough to keep pushing Democracy in a regions that REQUIRES ruthless, tyrannical, theocratic leadership to keep the peace? Nawww.

That discredited PNAC jerk is a long time Clinton adviser and one of the more influential Neocons. His wife is also a Clinton confidant by the name of Victoria Nuland, the woman that orchestrated the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.

I don't see anyone pushing democracy in the region, that is just what they sell the rubes while they reshuffle the deck for the benefit of Israel.

 

[Contumacious]

Oh so destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, and Somalia wasn't enough? Had to toss in Syria to see if Democracy would bloom like a rose there huh?

We did not HAVE a "Libya policy" or a "Syria policy".. THAT'S the reality. This Admin has been winging it from day one. In fact PUTIN had to back the spinaless duo of Obama/Kerry from the bombing the shit out of Syria for "WMDs".. How ironic was that?

You got nothing really.. Just an intense hatred of Israel's existence.

Oh but powerful American Likudnicks did develop a Syria policy back in 1996.


"This doctrine was prefigured in a 1996 paper prepared for then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a working group consisting of several individuals who are now in top spots in the Bush administration. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" recommended that Israel set itself free from its embarrassing and debilitating dependence on U.S. military and diplomatic support: no matter how unconditional, this support constrained Israel and prevented it from pursuing its true interests. The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert,Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq."

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right? They wrote LOTS of papers and Benny Netanyahu gets a lot of fan mail..

You got nothing.. EXCEPT a bunch of disgraced advisors who got Bush into trouble...

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right?

They didn't vanish, they have been hiding in plain sight right under your nose. Everything Contumacious has said is spot on, we ignore it at our own peril.

Hillary Clinton's Project For A New American Century
Here we go again. Earlier this year, some were surprised to see Project For The New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and longtime DC fixture Robert Kagan endorse former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for president.

They shouldn’t have been. As is now clear from a policy paper [PDF] published last month, the neoconservatives are going all-in on Hillary Clinton being the best vessel for American power in the years ahead.

The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy. Flournoy served in the Obama Administration under Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the next secretary of defense, should Hillary Clinton become president.

The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.

Pfffft.. The link actually says that some discredited jerk from PNAC endorsed her. That's it. You can't control your endorsements. Obama gets the Communists, Trump gets the racist morons, and Libertarians sometime get YOU guys who think that because we endorse a sounder foreign policy that we will abandon a working relationship with Israel and send the Zionists packing.

Decided over six dinners?? Oooowwwwww. That sounds nefarious. All these jerks do these days is have dinners and write papers. You know ANYONE stupid enough to keep pushing Democracy in a regions that REQUIRES ruthless, tyrannical, theocratic leadership to keep the peace? Nawww.

it is very interesting that Ms Flournoy. was a signatory of PNAC documents

 

[flacaltenn]

Oh so destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, and Somalia wasn't enough? Had to toss in Syria to see if Democracy would bloom like a rose there huh?

We did not HAVE a "Libya policy" or a "Syria policy".. THAT'S the reality. This Admin has been winging it from day one. In fact PUTIN had to back the spinaless duo of Obama/Kerry from the bombing the shit out of Syria for "WMDs".. How ironic was that?

You got nothing really.. Just an intense hatred of Israel's existence.

Oh but powerful American Likudnicks did develop a Syria policy back in 1996.


"This doctrine was prefigured in a 1996 paper prepared for then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a working group consisting of several individuals who are now in top spots in the Bush administration. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" recommended that Israel set itself free from its embarrassing and debilitating dependence on U.S. military and diplomatic support: no matter how unconditional, this support constrained Israel and prevented it from pursuing its true interests. The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert,Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq."

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right? They wrote LOTS of papers and Benny Netanyahu gets a lot of fan mail..

You got nothing.. EXCEPT a bunch of disgraced advisors who got Bush into trouble...

You do know that Perle and crew simply VANISHED out of humiliation along with their PNAC org right?

They didn't vanish, they have been hiding in plain sight right under your nose. Everything Contumacious has said is spot on, we ignore it at our own peril.

Hillary Clinton's Project For A New American Century
Here we go again. Earlier this year, some were surprised to see Project For The New American Century (PNAC) co-founder and longtime DC fixture Robert Kagan endorse former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for president.

They shouldn’t have been. As is now clear from a policy paper [PDF] published last month, the neoconservatives are going all-in on Hillary Clinton being the best vessel for American power in the years ahead.

The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy. Flournoy served in the Obama Administration under Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the next secretary of defense, should Hillary Clinton become president.

The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.

Pfffft.. The link actually says that some discredited jerk from PNAC endorsed her. That's it. You can't control your endorsements. Obama gets the Communists, Trump gets the racist morons, and Libertarians sometime get YOU guys who think that because we endorse a sounder foreign policy that we will abandon a working relationship with Israel and send the Zionists packing.

Decided over six dinners?? Oooowwwwww. That sounds nefarious. All these jerks do these days is have dinners and write papers. You know ANYONE stupid enough to keep pushing Democracy in a regions that REQUIRES ruthless, tyrannical, theocratic leadership to keep the peace? Nawww.

That discredited PNAC jerk is a long time Clinton adviser and one of the more influential Neocons. His wife is also a Clinton confidant by the name of Victoria Nuland, the woman that orchestrated the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.

I don't see anyone pushing democracy in the region, that is just what they sell the rubes while they reshuffle the deck for the benefit of Israel.

Let me fix it for then.. Don't vote for Clinton if you think she's a PNAC shill..

Or better yet -- get that Yid Stephanopolous to ASK her in his weekly access interview..

Wow -- a housewife orchestrating the overthrow of the Ukranian Govt? She must have some good recipes..