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Well I have known lots of people who have never needed one and neither have I. Heck I don't know anyone who has used one for defense. I'm really not sure why so many people think they need one. You are far more likely to be accidently shot than murdered with a gun. A study showed you are far more likely to be shot if you carry a gun. Stop being so paranoid and scared.
Yeah..well, that's all quite vague.."a study showed..."..I've seen THAT before..LMAO
Like I said, if you are ever in a situation where you need to defend yourself, I hope you remember all the people you know who never used a gun for self defense..I'm sure that will give you a feeling of moral superiority as the criminals beat the shit out of you....or rape/rob/carjack your wife/sister/mother/grandmother/daughter....
Look, I've never used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire in my house....but I still keep 2 handy.
Here you go.
Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - science-in-society - 06 October 2009 - New Scientist
So because of all those things that are very unlikely to happen I should have a gun? Even though you are far more likely to be accidentally shot than ever need a gun for those reasons I should carry a gun? Even though carrying a gun makes you more likely to be shot?
How many times have people been killed by accidental fire extinguisher?
When that Vegas couple shot those cops and then went to the Walmart the only guy they killed was the armed guy. Having a gun isn't always a good thing.
Whatever, brain...you're right everyone else is wrong.
I hope you remember what you said here if you or a family member ever get attacked by criminals.
In white Prince Edward Island, where there is strict gun control, the murder rate was 0.00 in 2012, and has averaged 0.4 over the past 5 years, which is ~60% less than NH, where its easy to own guns.
Homicide offences number and rate by province and territory Homicide rate
Most white murders are white on white murders. It's close to 90%. It has nothing to do with whether blacks or Hispanics are nearby.
Sure it does. Diversity destroys society. It corrodes trust, even within racial groups. In increases tensions, even within racial groups.
A state, or region, which is all white, or nearly so, will have higher social capital metrics than the white community found within a larger, multicultural state or region.
Here's a for instance. That all white state, with high trust levels, might manifest as people not being as paranoid about locking their doors or being startled at night by noises in the house or the backyard. The white homeowner in a highly multicultural state will be less trusting of his neighbors, even white neighbors, and so that noise in the middle of the night will make him more suspicious. Right here we create a scenario for a different response, perhaps armed response, which can result in different outcomes with respect to manslaughter or homicide, even when the victim is also white, perhaps a family member coming into the home late at night.
Diversity being corrosive to social capital levels within a society is a pretty solid social science finding.
Blacks living next door is why whites kill each other.
Right.
Maybe the reason why blacks kill each other is because there are so many white people around.
lol
Or, maybe it's because white people love their guns, and it's so much easier to kill someone if you have a gun.
Bullshit billc bullshit. Prove it.
If these surveys were accurate they would all arrive at around the same number.
.You can't, I've asked many time. You come up with one, or two maybe three.
Okay...again...here are all the studies that actually give numbers for guns used to save lives and stop crimes taken from the table I provided from guncite.com...
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
But skeptics will always be skeptical and antis will always prefer their own “reality” so (without questioning its validity) let’s go ahead and throw the K-G number out in favor of a more conservative one. Let’s use the numbers from the study which was commissioned by the Clinton DoJ shortly after the K-G study came out (to refute the K-G numbers maybe? If so: Oops!). That study, conducted by Dr.s Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig (very strong proponents of very strict gun control) concluded that there were 1.46 million DGUs per year.
Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is di- rectly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statis- tically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.
Some troubling comparisons. If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted as- saults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these re- sults, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpe- trate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)
Bullshit billc bullshit. Prove it.
Look...I listed all the studies....if you don't believe the 19 studies, done by separate researchers, both private and government including the CDC and the Dept. of Justice....all the numbers that I have posted, in detail...from over 40 years of studying the issue....then that is on you, not me...you could deny one study....2 studies but 19? Really....the lowest number is 760,000 a year...the 1.4 was the average of the highest study numbers....
If these surveys were accurate they would all arrive at around the same number.
the minimum number...760,000 a year...that is the number almost all of the studies have in common on the low end...
What don't you guys get...normal people only shoot when they absolutely cannot avoid it...unlike some here who fantasize that pre 2nd amendment people can't wait to shoot someone...that is not the case, never has been...so when the criminal backs down, there is no need and no desire to just kill him for the fun of it...
Then you have media bias...I listed several shootouts...big ones, from Youtube that were covered locally....but they didn't break the national media...one of the shoot outs I posted involved several car loads of Zeta cartel members highjacking a truck that happened to be a bait truck with a confidential informant in it...that shootout involved both federal and local law enforecment in a residential neighborhood...two things going on there...the national media supports the amnesty agenda so will not cover a story like that that draws attention to the border in a bad way...and the gun angle where armed drug cartel members were running through an apartment complex to avoid capture...
You guys are the delusional ones...
I'm really not sure why so many people think they need one. You are far more likely to be accidently shot than murdered with a gun. A study showed you are far more likely to be shot if you carry a gun. Stop being so paranoid and scared.
In Targeting Guns, Dr. Kleck concludes in part, "Most gun accidents occur in the home, many (perhaps most) of them involving guns kept for defense. However, very few accidents occur in connection with actual defensive uses of guns. Gun accidents are generally committed by unusually reckless people with records of heavy drinking, repeated involvement in automobile crashes, many traffic citations, and prior arrests for assault.
Gun accidents, then, involve a rare and atypical subset of the population, as both shooters and victims. They rarely involve children, and most commonly involve adolescents and young adults."
"The risk of a gun accident is extremely low, even among defensive gun owners, except among a very small, identifiably high-risk subset of the population. Consequently, it is doubtful whether, for the average gun owner, the risk of a gun accident could counterbalance the benefits of keeping a gun in the home for protection: the risk of an accident is quite low overall, and is virtually nonexistent for most gun owners." (p 321)
I'm really not sure why so many people think they need one. You are far more likely to be accidently shot than murdered with a gun. A study showed you are far more likely to be shot if you carry a gun. Stop being so paranoid and scared.
Brain....you didn't look at the research...accidents with guns have a higher likely hood in homes with abuse, or drug or alcohol problems...if you aren't a criminal, don't abuse substances, and don't beat loved ones the odds of having an accident are really small...
Here is some actual research Brain...
GunCite-Gun Accidents
In Targeting Guns, Dr. Kleck concludes in part, "Most gun accidents occur in the home, many (perhaps most) of them involving guns kept for defense. However, very few accidents occur in connection with actual defensive uses of guns. Gun accidents are generally committed by unusually reckless people with records of heavy drinking, repeated involvement in automobile crashes, many traffic citations, and prior arrests for assault.
Gun accidents, then, involve a rare and atypical subset of the population, as both shooters and victims. They rarely involve children, and most commonly involve adolescents and young adults."
"The risk of a gun accident is extremely low, even among defensive gun owners, except among a very small, identifiably high-risk subset of the population. Consequently, it is doubtful whether, for the average gun owner, the risk of a gun accident could counterbalance the benefits of keeping a gun in the home for protection: the risk of an accident is quite low overall, and is virtually nonexistent for most gun owners." (p 321)
Extrano s Alley a gun blog The history of gun control is perfectly clear. Gun control enables killers.
Accidental gun deaths since Jan. 1, 2014...from the CDC.
536
vs....1.4 million defensive gun uses where a life is saved and a violent crime is stopped...
You have no numbers even close to that Brain...
First the 1.4 million is a number you made up
You do not have verified accounts to back that up
First the 1.4 million is a number you made up
Brain, don't lie...I did not make that numbe up...I gave you a list of all the studies that look at the number of times a gun is used to save a life and stop a violent crime...
Graph Showing Gun Deaths As A Percentage Of All Deaths In America Extrano s Alley a gun blog
2,480,000 Americans die every year. 119,733 were accidental. 606 of those were fatal firearms accidents. In addition, there were 8,503 gun related homicides.
2010 Accidental Deaths, All Ages
You do not have verified accounts to back that up
Okay Brain....list all the news clips of accidental deaths due to guns...I need to actually see...all of them...right...? That is the standard you want even after 19 studies over 40 years....show us all the newspaper, television and internet articles that have stories on each accidental gun death....that should be easy...you say there are 20,000 get to it...right? We'll be waiting here for all 20,000 and using your standard...if you can't post it...it doesn't exist...right?
We have real statistics on those Bill, not just surveys...
