CDZ Imperialism and mass murder or noninterventionism and virtue?

[Tehon]

You don't get it. The American people and their elected representitives aren't in the business of administering equality around the world. That would be a nice thing, for sure, but it takes a backseat to the US govt's # 1 priority (ie. NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE USA). If that means us having nuclear weapons and Pakistan or Iran not having them, then we should be doing everything in our power to see to it that they do not have those weapons. National Security is the point of reference that we must operate on, not equality. This is a fundamental point that liberals never seem to be able to get into their thick skulls. You won't have much equality if you're DEAD.

You won't have much equality if you're DEAD.

The other side would be equally dead.
Nuclear weapons are a deterrent. In the hands of weaker nations they deter Washington's abilities as a hegemon.

 

[protectionist]

The other side would be equally dead.
Nuclear weapons are a deterrent. In the hands of weaker nations they deter Washington's abilities as a hegemon.

1. The other side being dead doesn't help us.

2. Washington is not a hegemon. It simply seeks to insure national security, and protect the American people, and under Obama, is doing a terrible job of that. We should not be concerned with equality or what weaker nations can or cannot do, except to insure that they do not harm us.

 

[Tehon]

The other side would be equally dead.
Nuclear weapons are a deterrent. In the hands of weaker nations they deter Washington's abilities as a hegemon.

1. The other side being dead doesn't help us.

2. Washington is not a hegemon. It simply seeks to insure national security, and protect the American people, and under Obama, is doing a terrible job of that. We should not be concerned with equality or what weaker nations can or cannot do, except to insure that they do not harm us.

Washington is not a hegemon. It simply seeks to insure national security, and protect the American people....

You will have to elaborate on what the word hegemon means to you.

Hegemony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hegemony (UK /hᵻˈɡɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛməni/, US /hᵻˈdʒɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛmoʊni/; Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía, "leadership, rule") is the political, economic, or military predominance or control of one state over others.[1][2][3][4] In Ancient Greece (8th century BCE – 6th century CE), hegemony denoted the politico–military dominance of a city-state over other city-states.[5] The dominant state is known as the hegemon.[6]

The United States is the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically, no?

 

[protectionist]

You will have to elaborate on what the word hegemon means to you.

Hegemony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hegemony (UK /hᵻˈɡɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛməni/, US /hᵻˈdʒɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛmoʊni/; Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía, "leadership, rule") is the political, economic, or military predominance or control of one state over others.[1][2][3][4] In Ancient Greece (8th century BCE – 6th century CE), hegemony denoted the politico–military dominance of a city-state over other city-states.[5] The dominant state is known as the hegemon.[6]

The United States is the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically, no?

If that were the case, what of it ?

1. Being the most powerful and most successful economically, and even controlling other nations, doesn't mean that the controller/dominator nation does not have justifiable motive.

2. NO, the USA absolutely is NOT the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically. quite the contrary, it is the most controllED and dominatED nation, being the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the word dominated by Mexico, China, India, et al. being plundered for $123 Billion/year just in remittances. Then there tens of Billions$$ more the US is being ripped for in welfare payouts, via the anchor baby racket & false documentation. It is so bad that the imperialist nations actually EXPECT the US to accept this international burglary of our economy % treasuries, and actually bitch at us if we don't assist them in pillaging us (ex. Felipe Calderon scolded the US Congress about Arizona's SB 1070, and central American presidents bitched at Obama for not taking more of the unaccompanied children "refugees".

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2012

 

[Tehon]

You will have to elaborate on what the word hegemon means to you.

Hegemony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hegemony (UK /hᵻˈɡɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛməni/, US /hᵻˈdʒɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛmoʊni/; Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía, "leadership, rule") is the political, economic, or military predominance or control of one state over others.[1][2][3][4] In Ancient Greece (8th century BCE – 6th century CE), hegemony denoted the politico–military dominance of a city-state over other city-states.[5] The dominant state is known as the hegemon.[6]

The United States is the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically, no?

If that were the case, what of it ?

1. Being the most powerful and most successful economically, and even controlling other nations, doesn't mean that the controller/dominator nation does not have justifiable motive.

2. NO, the USA absolutely is NOT the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically. quite the contrary, it is the most controllED and dominatED nation, being the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the word dominated by Mexico, China, India, et al. being plundered for $123 Billion/year just in remittances. Then there tens of Billions$$ more the US is being ripped for in welfare payouts, via the anchor baby racket & false documentation. It is so bad that the imperialist nations actually EXPECT the US to accept this international burglary of our economy % treasuries, and actually bitch at us if we don't assist them in pillaging us (ex. Felipe Calderon scolded the US Congress about Arizona's SB 1070, and central American presidents bitched at Obama for not taking more of the unaccompanied children "refugees".

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2012

If that were the case, what of it ?

You tell me. Why does the term hegemon being applied to the United States make you so uneasy that you would resort to statements like this.

NO, the USA absolutely is NOT the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically.

 

[Kalki]

"There's no such thing as a winnable war, it's a lie we don't believe anymore" - Sting (Russians)

The Muslims love their children too...it would be suicide for them to attack America with nukes, same with the Russians, and the Muslims and Russians know this. It is pure propaganda that Muslims or anyone else, are a nuclear threat or ever will be. The goal is to ensure they cannot defend themselves from American Imperialism and mass murder, by attempting to keep nuclear warheads out of their hands.

The liberals brainwashed their constituency to support the industrial-military complex and imperialism, by talking about 'humanitarianism', e.g., in their support of the mass murder of Iraqi children and babies. The conservatives brainwashed their constituency to support the industrial-military complex and imperialism, by talking about 'national security', e.g., in their support of the mass murder of Muslims through drone attacks, etc. The liberals and conservatives are both indoctrinated by the corporate news which is in the hands of a small number of people, and the same group of people control the public dialogue on both sides of the political spectrum. This is fact, not fancy.

Dianne Feinstein is considered a 'liberal' but she is as much a war-monger as Hillary Clinton; Feinstein directly profits monetarily from the military-industrial complex, and she is likely a dual Israeli citizen. Feinstein voted to commit mass murder on Iraqi children and babies. When the world's public woke up to their giant fraud based on Israeli intelligence, that Saddam had WMD's, the liberals tried to excuse themselves to their constituents by saying Bush lied to them, but if the public would not have gotten tired of their mass murder they would never have made any excuses about it. They were not concerned about the murder they would be committing when they voted to kill Iraqi babies, which proves they did not care.

Feinstein and her ilk want to ensure that no nation that cannot defend themselves from their Imperialism, can get nukes in the future. They also want to prevent their American subjects from being able to defend themselves from the U.S. government when it becomes overtly tyrannical, by taking away the human right to self-defense and guns, little by little, like boiling frogs. This is admitted by the gun control people if you read the NRA literature (1st Freedom magazine, rather than the corporate and state-controlled news media.

When the Patriot Act first came out, the NRA was one of the only media that informed their readers about the human rights violation of Biden's Patriot Act. NRA members knew about the government violation of the 4th amendment back in 2002, long before Snowden.

Notice the signature at the bottom of these posts.

The problem is that most people are not capable of escaping psychological conditioning, and their own identity, to become objective. Human beliefs and everything humans have been taught to think, are from the outside, and the consciousness identifies with those outside elements and it deceptively becomes the (false) source of their identity, and when those beliefs are found to be lacking (hypocritical or false), it destroys the foundation of the 'self'. When this happens it is called an ego-death, and it is unfortunately, rare. The authorities, rulers, propagandists, take advantage of that fact, with their unceasing propaganda to manipulate the people to sacrifice their lives to enrich and empower a different people in their midst.

Consciousness does not have an identity but education replaces that awareness with an identity to a group, whether it is a political party, or nation, or political agenda, etc. Many people (liberals) ridicule tribal thinking, but those same people who ridicule it are "tribalists" themselves, since they identify with a political slogan and with those others who subscribe to their same manufactured narrative, and it is not correct to call it "their own", because it was given from the outside - in that sense it can be called an artificial belief and value system, i.e, false.

 

[Kalki]

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that it is possible, at least up to a certain point and within certain limits" ('Propaganda' by Edward Bernays).

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind" ('Propaganda' by Edward Bernays).

What Bernays meant is that they discovered they could get American people to commit mass murder to enrich the people in power and exert their power even further in Europe. It was hard to believe because the people actually went to murder Germans, while sacrificing their own life, for no reason or benefit, except they were told they must do this to "bring democracy to Europe".

The real reason they wanted America to go to war in WWI was to ensure the bankers got their (immoral) usury payments through the taxpayers of England and France, as well as for a few to profit monetarily, while the whole society loses monetarily and becomes further enslaved with debt to International Finance. War is not profitable for society as a whole because it is destructive rather than constructive, but the people at the top, such as Bernard Baruch, can profit enormously at the expense and murder of huge numbers of people.

This is why Congressman Lindbergh wrote, 'Why Is Your Country At War and What Happens To You After the War', and this is the same reason General Smedley Butler wrote, 'War Is A Racket'. Both of these men were on the inside of the system and they were so moved by the immorality and deception of the entire industrial military complex and international finance, that they tried to warn the American people, and inform them how they were being manipulated and consumed.

To understand how that works read Deuteronomy 15.1-6.

 

[Liminal]

Incomplete list of Imperialism and mass murder, and assorted military actions of the U.S.

1775–83 – American Revolutionary War
1776–77 – Second Cherokee War
1776–94 – Cherokee–American wars
1785–95 – Northwest Indian War
1786–87 – Shays' Rebellion: a Western Massachusetts debtor's revolt
1791–94 – Whiskey Rebellion
1798–1800 – Quasi-War
1799–1800 – Fries' Rebellion
1801–05 – First Barbary War
1806 – Action in Spanish Mexico
1806–10 – Action in the Gulf of Mexico
1810 – West Florida (Spanish territory)
1812 – Amelia Island and other parts of east Florida, then under Spain
1812–15 – War of 1812
1813 – West Florida (Spanish territory)
1813–14 – Marquesas Islands (French Polynesia)
1814 – Spanish Florida
1814–25 – Caribbean
1815 – Algiers
1815 – Tripoli
1816 – Spanish Florida
1816–18 – Spanish Florida
1817 – Amelia Island (Spanish territory off Florida)
1818 – Oregon
1820–23 – Africa
1822 – Cuba
Monroe Doctrine
1823 – Cuba
1824 – Cuba
1824 – Puerto Rico (Spanish territory)
1825 – Cuba
1827 – Greece
1831–32 – Falkland Islands
1832 – Attack on Quallah Battoo: Sumatra, Indonesia
1833 – Argentina
1835–36 – Peru
1835–42 – Florida Territory
1838 – The Caroline affair on Navy Island, Canada
1838–39 – Sumatra (Indonesia)
1840 – Fiji Islands
1841 – McKean Island (Drummond Island/Taputenea), Gilbert Islands
1841 – Samoa
1842 – Mexico
1843 – China
1843 – Africa
1844 – Mexico
1846–48 – Mexican–American War
1849 – Smyrna (İzmir, Turkey)
1851 – Ottoman Empire
1851 – Johanna Island
1852–53 – Argentina
1853 – Nicaragua
1853–54 – Japan Commodore Matthew Perry
1853–54 – Ryūkyū and Bonin Islands
1854 – China
1854 – Nicaragua
1855 – China
1855 – Fiji Islands
1855 – Uruguay
1856 – Panama
1856 – China
1857–58 – Utah War
1857 – Nicaragua
1858 – Uruguay
1858 – Fiji Islands
1858–59 – Ottoman Empire
1859 – Paraguay
1859 – Mexico
1859 – China
1860 – Angola, Portuguese West Africa
1860 – Colombia, Bay of Panama
1861–65 – American Civil War
1863 – Japan: July 16, Naval battle of Shimonoseki
1864 – Japan
1865 – Panama
1865–77 – Southern United States – Reconstruction
1866 – Mexico
1866 – China
1867 – Nicaragua
1867 – Formosa (island of Taiwan)
1868 – Japan
1868 – Uruguay
1868 – Colombia
1870 – Battle of Boca Teacapan
1870 – Kingdom of Hawaii
1872 – Korea: Shinmiyangyo
1873 – Colombia (Bay of Panama)
1873–96 – Mexico
1874 – Honolulu Courthouse Riot
1876 – Mexico
1878 – Lincoln County, New Mexico
1882 – Egyptian Expedition
1885 – Panama (Colón)
1888 – Korea
1888 – Haiti
1888–89 – Samoan crisis
1889 – Kingdom of Hawaii
1890 – Argentina
1890 – South Dakota
1891 – Haiti
1891 – Bering Sea
1891 – Itata Incident
1891 – Chile
1892 – Homestead Strike
1892 – Wyoming
1893 – Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom
1894 – Nicaragua
1894–95 – China
1894–96 – Korea
1895 – Colombia
1896 – Nicaragua
1898 – Nicaragua
1898 – Spanish–American War
1898–99 – Samoa
1898–99 – China
1899 – Nicaragua
1899–1913 – Philippine Islands: Philippine–American War
1900 – China
1901 – Colombia (State of Panama)
1902 – Colombia
1902 – Colombia (State of Panama)
1903 – Honduras
1903 – Dominican Republic
1903 – Syria
1903–04 – Abyssinia (Ethiopia)
1903–14 – Panama
Jacob Schiff finances the Japanese.
1904 – Dominican Republic
1904 – Tangier, Morocco
1904 – Panama
1904–05 – Korea
1906–09 – Cuba
1907 – Honduras
1910 – Nicaragua
1911 – Honduras
1911 – China
1912 – Honduras
1912 – Panama
1912 – Cuba
1912 – China
1912 – Turkey
1912–25 – Nicaragua
1912–41 – China
1913 – Mexico
1914 - Ludlow massacre
1914 – Haiti
1914 – Dominican Republic
1914–17 – Mexico: Tampico Affair
1915–34 – Haiti
1916 – China
1916–24 – Dominican Republic
1917 - Jacob Schiff finances the bolsheviks
1917 – China
1917–18 – World War I
'Why Is Your Country At War and What Happens To You After the War' by Charles Lindbergh, is confiscated by authorities and the printing press destroyed.
1917–22 – Cuba
1918–19 – Mexico
1918–20 – Panama
1918–20 – Russian SFSR
1919 – Dalmatia (Croatia)
1919 – Turkey
1919 – Honduras
1920 – China
1920 – Guatemala
1920–22 – Russia (Siberia)
1921 – Panama and Costa Rica
1921 - Battle of Blair Mountain
1922 – Turkey
1922–23 – China
1924 – Honduras
1924 – China
1925 – China
1925 – Honduras
1925 – Panama
1926–33 – Nicaragua
1926 – China
1927 – China
'Propaganda' by Edward Bernays published.
1932 – China
1932 – United States: "Bonus Army"
1933 – Cuba
1933 - Haavara Agreement signed
1934 – China
'War Is A Racket' by Smedley Butler published
1938 - Sudetenland massacres of ethnic Germans
1939 - Danzig massacres
1940 - Henry Morgenthau Jr establishes the oil embargo of the Japanese to push them into war with America, the Japanese retaliate.
1940 – Newfoundland
1940 - Bermuda
1940 - St. Lucia
1940 - Bahamas
1940 - Jamaica
1940 - Antigua
1940 - Trinidad
1940 - British Guiana
1941 – Greenland
1941 – Netherlands (Dutch Guiana)
1941 – Iceland
1941 – Germany
1941–45 – World War II
'The Greatest Story Never Told' by Dennis Wise film footage.
'Hellstorm: the Genocide of Germany' by Thomas Goodrich film footage.
Morgenthau Plan agreed to among allied nations
1945 – China
1945–49 – Occupation of part of Germany
1945–55 – Occupation of part of Austria
1945–52 – Occupation of Japan
1944–46 – Temporary reoccupation of the Philippines
1945–47 – U.S. Marines garrisoned in mainland China
1945–49 – Post-World War II occupation of South Korea
1946 – Trieste, (Italy)
1948 – Jerusalem (British Mandate)
1948 – Berlin: Berlin Airlift
1948–49 – China
1950–53 – Korean War
1950–55 – Formosa (Taiwan)
1953 - Operation Ajax
1954–55 – China
1955–64 – Vietnam
1956 – Egypt
1958 – Lebanon
1959–60 – The Caribbean
1959–75 – Vietnam War
1961 – Cuba
1962 - Operation Northwoods
1962 – Thailand
1962 – Cuba
1962–75 – Laos
Robert McNamara lies about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get support to bomb Vietnam.
1964 – Congo (Zaïre)
1965 – Invasion of Dominican Republic
1967 – Israel: The USS Liberty incident
1967 – Congo (Zaïre)
1968 – Laos & Cambodia
1970 – Cambodian Campaign
1972 – North Vietnam
1973 – Operation Nickel Grass
1974 – Evacuation from Cyprus
1975 – Evacuation from Vietnam
1975 – Evacuation from Cambodia
1975 – South Vietnam
1975 – Cambodia: Mayaguez incident
1976 – Lebanon
1976 – Korea
1978 – Zaïre (Congo)
1980 – Iran
1980 – Sinai Operation Bright Star
1981 – El Salvador
1981 – Libya
1982 – Sinai
1982 – Lebanon
1982–83 – Lebanon
1983 – Egypt
1983 – Grenada
1983–89 – Honduras
1983 – Chad
1984 – Persian Gulf
1985 – Italy
1986 – Libya
1986 – Libya: Operation El Dorado Canyon
1986 – Bolivia
1987 – Persian Gulf
1987 – Persian Gulf: Operation Nimble Archer
1987–88 – Persian Gulf: Operation Earnest Will
1987–88 – Persian Gulf: Operation Prime Chance
1988 – Persian Gulf: Operation Praying Mantis
1988 – Honduras
1988 – USS Vincennes shoot-down of Iran Air Flight 655.
1988 – Panama
1989 – Libya
1989 – Panama
1989 – Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru
1989 – Philippines
1989–90 – Panama
1990 – Liberia
1990 – Saudi Arabia
1991 – Iraq and Kuwait: Gulf War
1991–96 – Iraq
1991 – Iraq
1991 – Zaire
1992 – Sierra Leone
1992–96 – Bosnia and Herzegovina
1992 – Kuwait
1992–2003 – Iraq: Iraqi no-fly zones
1992–95 – Somalia
1993–95 – Bosnia: Operation Deny Flight
1993 – Macedonia
1994 – Bosnia: Banja Luka incident
1994–95 – Haiti
1994 – Macedonia
'The Creature From Jekyll Island' by G. Edward Griffin is published.
1995 – Bosnia: Operation Deliberate Force
1996 – Liberia
1996 – Central African Republic
1996 – Kuwait
1996 – Bosnia
1997 – Albania
1997 – Congo and Gabon
1997 – Sierra Leone
1997 – Cambodia
1998 – Iraq: Operation Desert Fox
1998 – Guinea-Bissau
1998–99 – Kenya and Tanzania
1998 – Afghanistan and Sudan
1998 – Liberia
1999–2001 – East Timor
1999 – Serbia: Operation Allied Force
2000 – Sierra Leone
2000 – Nigeria
2000 – Yemen
2000 – East Timor
2001 – China Hainan Island
2001–present – War in Afghanistan
2002 – Yemen
2002 – Philippines
2002 – Côte d'Ivoire
2003–2011 – War in Iraq
2003 – Liberia
2003 – Georgia and Djibouti
'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' by John Perkins published.
2004 – Haiti
2004 – Georgia
2004 - Djibouti
2004 - Kenya
2004 - Ethiopia
2004 - Yemen
2004 - Eritrea
2004–present: North-West Pakistan
2005–06 – Pakistan
2006 – Lebanon
2007 - The Mogadishu Encounter
2007 – Somalia: Battle of Ras Kamboni
2008 – South Ossetia, Georgia
2010–present - Yemen
2010–11 – Iraq Operation New Dawn
2011 – Libya
2011 – Pakistan Operation Neptune Spear
2011 – Somalia Drone strikes
2011–present – Uganda
2012 – Jordan
2012 – Turkey
2012 – Chad
2013 – Mali
2013 – Somalia
2013 – Korean crisis
2013 – Somalia
2014–present – Uganda
2014–present - Iraq
2014 - present - Syria
2014 - Yemen
2015 - Iran Strait of Hormuz
2015–present - Cameroon

The nation of America was founded on the policy of non-interventionism, there was some necessity of military intervention such as at Tripoli in 1801 due to piracy. However, the policies radically changed with the Monroe Doctrine and we can see that America is indisputably an Empire or hegemony.

Why do people support mass murder? The founders of America were against what America has become, this is why they established the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights and believed in non-interventionism and foreign entanglements.

Read, 'The Second Amendment Primer' by Les Adams, to gain insight into the founder's vision.

How many of the nations that have received mass murder from the U.S. government, have bombed America? Why do you support the policies of empire and mass murder? What right do Americans have to commit mass murder on others?

200 million people were mass murdered by governments in the 20th century alone. Why are the people who hate the Natural Human Right of the 2nd amendment, in support of the mass murders of the U.S. government?

Why are the people who support the founders visions as expressed in 'The Second Amendment Primer' by Les Adams, in support of mass murder of others and violating their human rights? The founders of America would be rolling in their graves to see people in America today, loudly expressing the desire to intervene in other nation's and mass murder them. How did the Republican party leadership manipulate the people under their control? Same with the Democrats?

So you don't approve of mass murder. How would you suggest we kill these people? Would it be better if we murdered them one at a time?

 

[Liminal]

You will have to elaborate on what the word hegemon means to you.

Hegemony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hegemony (UK /hᵻˈɡɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛməni/, US /hᵻˈdʒɛməni/ or /ˈhᵻdʒɛmoʊni/; Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía, "leadership, rule") is the political, economic, or military predominance or control of one state over others.[1][2][3][4] In Ancient Greece (8th century BCE – 6th century CE), hegemony denoted the politico–military dominance of a city-state over other city-states.[5] The dominant state is known as the hegemon.[6]

The United States is the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically, no?

If that were the case, what of it ?

1. Being the most powerful and most successful economically, and even controlling other nations, doesn't mean that the controller/dominator nation does not have justifiable motive.

2. NO, the USA absolutely is NOT the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically. quite the contrary, it is the most controllED and dominatED nation, being the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the word dominated by Mexico, China, India, et al. being plundered for $123 Billion/year just in remittances. Then there tens of Billions$$ more the US is being ripped for in welfare payouts, via the anchor baby racket & false documentation. It is so bad that the imperialist nations actually EXPECT the US to accept this international burglary of our economy % treasuries, and actually bitch at us if we don't assist them in pillaging us (ex. Felipe Calderon scolded the US Congress about Arizona's SB 1070, and central American presidents bitched at Obama for not taking more of the unaccompanied children "refugees".

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2012

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

[Kalki]

Liminal, don't include me in the American desire to murder, whether one at a time or in mass. It is astonishing and disturbing to see the American psyche in all its glory. Are you one of those who talks about how evil the holocaust was?

This is the American psyche:

Germans murdered by Allies.

Iraqis murdered by U.S.

Vietnamese murdered by U.S.

 

[Liminal]

Liminal, don't include me in the American desire to murder, whether one at a time or in mass. It is astonishing and disturbing to see the American psyche in all its glory. Are you one of those who talks about how evil the holocaust was?

This is the American psyche:

Germans murdered by Allies.

Iraqis murdered by U.S.

Vietnamese murdered by U.S.

I'm sure it looks that way from a superficial one dimensional simple minded perspective. Do you pay taxes? Do you pay taxes anywhere in the industrialized western world? If so then you are equally complicit in genocide.

 

[protectionist]

You tell me. Why does the term hegemon being applied to the United States make you so uneasy that you would resort to statements like this.

NO, the USA absolutely is NOT the dominant power in the world, militarily and economically.

I don't how you come to the use of the word "resort". You asked a question. I answered it (while not be "uneasy" one iota)

And you don't need to say >> "You tell me" - I just TOLD you (in Post # 64)

 

[protectionist]

"There's no such thing as a winnable war, it's a lie we don't believe anymore" - Sting (Russians)

The Muslims love their children too...it would be suicide for them to attack America with nukes, same with the Russians, and the Muslims and Russians know this. It is pure propaganda that Muslims or anyone else, are a nuclear threat or ever will be. The goal is to ensure they cannot defend themselves from American Imperialism and mass murder, by attempting to keep nuclear warheads out of their hands.

The liberals brainwashed their constituency to support the industrial-military complex and imperialism, by talking about 'humanitarianism', e.g., in their support of the mass murder of Iraqi children and babies. The conservatives brainwashed their constituency to support the industrial-military complex and imperialism, by talking about 'national security', e.g., in their support of the mass murder of Muslims through drone attacks, etc. The liberals and conservatives are both indoctrinated by the corporate news which is in the hands of a small number of people, and the same group of people control the public dialogue on both sides of the political spectrum. This is fact, not fancy.

Dianne Feinstein is considered a 'liberal' but she is as much a war-monger as Hillary Clinton; Feinstein directly profits monetarily from the military-industrial complex, and she is likely a dual Israeli citizen. Feinstein voted to commit mass murder on Iraqi children and babies. When the world's public woke up to their giant fraud based on Israeli intelligence, that Saddam had WMD's, the liberals tried to excuse themselves to their constituents by saying Bush lied to them, but if the public would not have gotten tired of their mass murder they would never have made any excuses about it. They were not concerned about the murder they would be committing when they voted to kill Iraqi babies, which proves they did not care.

Feinstein and her ilk want to ensure that no nation that cannot defend themselves from their Imperialism, can get nukes in the future. They also want to prevent their American subjects from being able to defend themselves from the U.S. government when it becomes overtly tyrannical, by taking away the human right to self-defense and guns, little by little, like boiling frogs. This is admitted by the gun control people if you read the NRA literature (1st Freedom magazine, rather than the corporate and state-controlled news media.

When the Patriot Act first came out, the NRA was one of the only media that informed their readers about the human rights violation of Biden's Patriot Act. NRA members knew about the government violation of the 4th amendment back in 2002, long before Snowden.

Notice the signature at the bottom of these posts.

The problem is that most people are not capable of escaping psychological conditioning, and their own identity, to become objective. Human beliefs and everything humans have been taught to think, are from the outside, and the consciousness identifies with those outside elements and it deceptively becomes the (false) source of their identity, and when those beliefs are found to be lacking (hypocritical or false), it destroys the foundation of the 'self'. When this happens it is called an ego-death, and it is unfortunately, rare. The authorities, rulers, propagandists, take advantage of that fact, with their unceasing propaganda to manipulate the people to sacrifice their lives to enrich and empower a different people in their midst.

Consciousness does not have an identity but education replaces that awareness with an identity to a group, whether it is a political party, or nation, or political agenda, etc. Many people (liberals) ridicule tribal thinking, but those same people who ridicule it are "tribalists" themselves, since they identify with a political slogan and with those others who subscribe to their same manufactured narrative, and it is not correct to call it "their own", because it was given from the outside - in that sense it can be called an artificial belief and value system, i.e, false.

1. You don't know much about Muslims. "Suicide" (your word, not mine) is part of Islam.

2. As for propaganda and manipulation, it sure looks like they've got YOU PROGRAMMED.

3. If there's any coaching to be done , I'll supply it to you (as I've been doing)

 

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"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that it is possible, at least up to a certain point and within certain limits" ('Propaganda' by Edward Bernays).

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind" ('Propaganda' by Edward Bernays).

What Bernays meant is that they discovered they could get American people to commit mass murder to enrich the people in power and exert their power even further in Europe. It was hard to believe because the people actually went to murder Germans, while sacrificing their own life, for no reason or benefit, except they were told they must do this to "bring democracy to Europe".

The real reason they wanted America to go to war in WWI was to ensure the bankers got their (immoral) usury payments through the taxpayers of England and France, as well as for a few to profit monetarily, while the whole society loses monetarily and becomes further enslaved with debt to International Finance. War is not profitable for society as a whole because it is destructive rather than constructive, but the people at the top, such as Bernard Baruch, can profit enormously at the expense and murder of huge numbers of people.

This is why Congressman Lindbergh wrote, 'Why Is Your Country At War and What Happens To You After the War', and this is the same reason General Smedley Butler wrote, 'War Is A Racket'. Both of these men were on the inside of the system and they were so moved by the immorality and deception of the entire industrial military complex and international finance, that they tried to warn the American people, and inform them how they were being manipulated and consumed.

To understand how that works read Deuteronomy 15.1-6.

You examine history quite a bit. Are you half as up on what's occuring politically NOW ?

 

[Liminal]

Incomplete list of Imperialism and mass murder, and assorted military actions of the U.S.

1775–83 – American Revolutionary War
1776–77 – Second Cherokee War
1776–94 – Cherokee–American wars
1785–95 – Northwest Indian War
1786–87 – Shays' Rebellion: a Western Massachusetts debtor's revolt
1791–94 – Whiskey Rebellion
1798–1800 – Quasi-War
1799–1800 – Fries' Rebellion
1801–05 – First Barbary War
1806 – Action in Spanish Mexico
1806–10 – Action in the Gulf of Mexico
1810 – West Florida (Spanish territory)
1812 – Amelia Island and other parts of east Florida, then under Spain
1812–15 – War of 1812
1813 – West Florida (Spanish territory)
1813–14 – Marquesas Islands (French Polynesia)
1814 – Spanish Florida
1814–25 – Caribbean
1815 – Algiers
1815 – Tripoli
1816 – Spanish Florida
1816–18 – Spanish Florida
1817 – Amelia Island (Spanish territory off Florida)
1818 – Oregon
1820–23 – Africa
1822 – Cuba
Monroe Doctrine
1823 – Cuba
1824 – Cuba
1824 – Puerto Rico (Spanish territory)
1825 – Cuba
1827 – Greece
1831–32 – Falkland Islands
1832 – Attack on Quallah Battoo: Sumatra, Indonesia
1833 – Argentina
1835–36 – Peru
1835–42 – Florida Territory
1838 – The Caroline affair on Navy Island, Canada
1838–39 – Sumatra (Indonesia)
1840 – Fiji Islands
1841 – McKean Island (Drummond Island/Taputenea), Gilbert Islands
1841 – Samoa
1842 – Mexico
1843 – China
1843 – Africa
1844 – Mexico
1846–48 – Mexican–American War
1849 – Smyrna (İzmir, Turkey)
1851 – Ottoman Empire
1851 – Johanna Island
1852–53 – Argentina
1853 – Nicaragua
1853–54 – Japan Commodore Matthew Perry
1853–54 – Ryūkyū and Bonin Islands
1854 – China
1854 – Nicaragua
1855 – China
1855 – Fiji Islands
1855 – Uruguay
1856 – Panama
1856 – China
1857–58 – Utah War
1857 – Nicaragua
1858 – Uruguay
1858 – Fiji Islands
1858–59 – Ottoman Empire
1859 – Paraguay
1859 – Mexico
1859 – China
1860 – Angola, Portuguese West Africa
1860 – Colombia, Bay of Panama
1861–65 – American Civil War
1863 – Japan: July 16, Naval battle of Shimonoseki
1864 – Japan
1865 – Panama
1865–77 – Southern United States – Reconstruction
1866 – Mexico
1866 – China
1867 – Nicaragua
1867 – Formosa (island of Taiwan)
1868 – Japan
1868 – Uruguay
1868 – Colombia
1870 – Battle of Boca Teacapan
1870 – Kingdom of Hawaii
1872 – Korea: Shinmiyangyo
1873 – Colombia (Bay of Panama)
1873–96 – Mexico
1874 – Honolulu Courthouse Riot
1876 – Mexico
1878 – Lincoln County, New Mexico
1882 – Egyptian Expedition
1885 – Panama (Colón)
1888 – Korea
1888 – Haiti
1888–89 – Samoan crisis
1889 – Kingdom of Hawaii
1890 – Argentina
1890 – South Dakota
1891 – Haiti
1891 – Bering Sea
1891 – Itata Incident
1891 – Chile
1892 – Homestead Strike
1892 – Wyoming
1893 – Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom
1894 – Nicaragua
1894–95 – China
1894–96 – Korea
1895 – Colombia
1896 – Nicaragua
1898 – Nicaragua
1898 – Spanish–American War
1898–99 – Samoa
1898–99 – China
1899 – Nicaragua
1899–1913 – Philippine Islands: Philippine–American War
1900 – China
1901 – Colombia (State of Panama)
1902 – Colombia
1902 – Colombia (State of Panama)
1903 – Honduras
1903 – Dominican Republic
1903 – Syria
1903–04 – Abyssinia (Ethiopia)
1903–14 – Panama
Jacob Schiff finances the Japanese.
1904 – Dominican Republic
1904 – Tangier, Morocco
1904 – Panama
1904–05 – Korea
1906–09 – Cuba
1907 – Honduras
1910 – Nicaragua
1911 – Honduras
1911 – China
1912 – Honduras
1912 – Panama
1912 – Cuba
1912 – China
1912 – Turkey
1912–25 – Nicaragua
1912–41 – China
1913 – Mexico
1914 - Ludlow massacre
1914 – Haiti
1914 – Dominican Republic
1914–17 – Mexico: Tampico Affair
1915–34 – Haiti
1916 – China
1916–24 – Dominican Republic
1917 - Jacob Schiff finances the bolsheviks
1917 – China
1917–18 – World War I
'Why Is Your Country At War and What Happens To You After the War' by Charles Lindbergh, is confiscated by authorities and the printing press destroyed.
1917–22 – Cuba
1918–19 – Mexico
1918–20 – Panama
1918–20 – Russian SFSR
1919 – Dalmatia (Croatia)
1919 – Turkey
1919 – Honduras
1920 – China
1920 – Guatemala
1920–22 – Russia (Siberia)
1921 – Panama and Costa Rica
1921 - Battle of Blair Mountain
1922 – Turkey
1922–23 – China
1924 – Honduras
1924 – China
1925 – China
1925 – Honduras
1925 – Panama
1926–33 – Nicaragua
1926 – China
1927 – China
'Propaganda' by Edward Bernays published.
1932 – China
1932 – United States: "Bonus Army"
1933 – Cuba
1933 - Haavara Agreement signed
1934 – China
'War Is A Racket' by Smedley Butler published
1938 - Sudetenland massacres of ethnic Germans
1939 - Danzig massacres
1940 - Henry Morgenthau Jr establishes the oil embargo of the Japanese to push them into war with America, the Japanese retaliate.
1940 – Newfoundland
1940 - Bermuda
1940 - St. Lucia
1940 - Bahamas
1940 - Jamaica
1940 - Antigua
1940 - Trinidad
1940 - British Guiana
1941 – Greenland
1941 – Netherlands (Dutch Guiana)
1941 – Iceland
1941 – Germany
1941–45 – World War II
'The Greatest Story Never Told' by Dennis Wise film footage.
'Hellstorm: the Genocide of Germany' by Thomas Goodrich film footage.
Morgenthau Plan agreed to among allied nations
1945 – China
1945–49 – Occupation of part of Germany
1945–55 – Occupation of part of Austria
1945–52 – Occupation of Japan
1944–46 – Temporary reoccupation of the Philippines
1945–47 – U.S. Marines garrisoned in mainland China
1945–49 – Post-World War II occupation of South Korea
1946 – Trieste, (Italy)
1948 – Jerusalem (British Mandate)
1948 – Berlin: Berlin Airlift
1948–49 – China
1950–53 – Korean War
1950–55 – Formosa (Taiwan)
1953 - Operation Ajax
1954–55 – China
1955–64 – Vietnam
1956 – Egypt
1958 – Lebanon
1959–60 – The Caribbean
1959–75 – Vietnam War
1961 – Cuba
1962 - Operation Northwoods
1962 – Thailand
1962 – Cuba
1962–75 – Laos
Robert McNamara lies about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get support to bomb Vietnam.
1964 – Congo (Zaïre)
1965 – Invasion of Dominican Republic
1967 – Israel: The USS Liberty incident
1967 – Congo (Zaïre)
1968 – Laos & Cambodia
1970 – Cambodian Campaign
1972 – North Vietnam
1973 – Operation Nickel Grass
1974 – Evacuation from Cyprus
1975 – Evacuation from Vietnam
1975 – Evacuation from Cambodia
1975 – South Vietnam
1975 – Cambodia: Mayaguez incident
1976 – Lebanon
1976 – Korea
1978 – Zaïre (Congo)
1980 – Iran
1980 – Sinai Operation Bright Star
1981 – El Salvador
1981 – Libya
1982 – Sinai
1982 – Lebanon
1982–83 – Lebanon
1983 – Egypt
1983 – Grenada
1983–89 – Honduras
1983 – Chad
1984 – Persian Gulf
1985 – Italy
1986 – Libya
1986 – Libya: Operation El Dorado Canyon
1986 – Bolivia
1987 – Persian Gulf
1987 – Persian Gulf: Operation Nimble Archer
1987–88 – Persian Gulf: Operation Earnest Will
1987–88 – Persian Gulf: Operation Prime Chance
1988 – Persian Gulf: Operation Praying Mantis
1988 – Honduras
1988 – USS Vincennes shoot-down of Iran Air Flight 655.
1988 – Panama
1989 – Libya
1989 – Panama
1989 – Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru
1989 – Philippines
1989–90 – Panama
1990 – Liberia
1990 – Saudi Arabia
1991 – Iraq and Kuwait: Gulf War
1991–96 – Iraq
1991 – Iraq
1991 – Zaire
1992 – Sierra Leone
1992–96 – Bosnia and Herzegovina
1992 – Kuwait
1992–2003 – Iraq: Iraqi no-fly zones
1992–95 – Somalia
1993–95 – Bosnia: Operation Deny Flight
1993 – Macedonia
1994 – Bosnia: Banja Luka incident
1994–95 – Haiti
1994 – Macedonia
'The Creature From Jekyll Island' by G. Edward Griffin is published.
1995 – Bosnia: Operation Deliberate Force
1996 – Liberia
1996 – Central African Republic
1996 – Kuwait
1996 – Bosnia
1997 – Albania
1997 – Congo and Gabon
1997 – Sierra Leone
1997 – Cambodia
1998 – Iraq: Operation Desert Fox
1998 – Guinea-Bissau
1998–99 – Kenya and Tanzania
1998 – Afghanistan and Sudan
1998 – Liberia
1999–2001 – East Timor
1999 – Serbia: Operation Allied Force
2000 – Sierra Leone
2000 – Nigeria
2000 – Yemen
2000 – East Timor
2001 – China Hainan Island
2001–present – War in Afghanistan
2002 – Yemen
2002 – Philippines
2002 – Côte d'Ivoire
2003–2011 – War in Iraq
2003 – Liberia
2003 – Georgia and Djibouti
'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' by John Perkins published.
2004 – Haiti
2004 – Georgia
2004 - Djibouti
2004 - Kenya
2004 - Ethiopia
2004 - Yemen
2004 - Eritrea
2004–present: North-West Pakistan
2005–06 – Pakistan
2006 – Lebanon
2007 - The Mogadishu Encounter
2007 – Somalia: Battle of Ras Kamboni
2008 – South Ossetia, Georgia
2010–present - Yemen
2010–11 – Iraq Operation New Dawn
2011 – Libya
2011 – Pakistan Operation Neptune Spear
2011 – Somalia Drone strikes
2011–present – Uganda
2012 – Jordan
2012 – Turkey
2012 – Chad
2013 – Mali
2013 – Somalia
2013 – Korean crisis
2013 – Somalia
2014–present – Uganda
2014–present - Iraq
2014 - present - Syria
2014 - Yemen
2015 - Iran Strait of Hormuz
2015–present - Cameroon

The nation of America was founded on the policy of non-interventionism, there was some necessity of military intervention such as at Tripoli in 1801 due to piracy. However, the policies radically changed with the Monroe Doctrine and we can see that America is indisputably an Empire or hegemony.

Why do people support mass murder? The founders of America were against what America has become, this is why they established the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights and believed in non-interventionism and foreign entanglements.

Read, 'The Second Amendment Primer' by Les Adams, to gain insight into the founder's vision.

How many of the nations that have received mass murder from the U.S. government, have bombed America? Why do you support the policies of empire and mass murder? What right do Americans have to commit mass murder on others?

200 million people were mass murdered by governments in the 20th century alone. Why are the people who hate the Natural Human Right of the 2nd amendment, in support of the mass murders of the U.S. government?

Why are the people who support the founders visions as expressed in 'The Second Amendment Primer' by Les Adams, in support of mass murder of others and violating their human rights? The founders of America would be rolling in their graves to see people in America today, loudly expressing the desire to intervene in other nation's and mass murder them. How did the Republican party leadership manipulate the people under their control? Same with the Democrats?

That's quite a list, but it seems incomplete. You missed the time in 1968 when I beat up the kid down the street for stealing my bike.

 

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Complete and utter nonsense.

So you are either 100% ignorant, brainwashed into oblivion, or mired in denial. In either case... not my problem.

One question though. Didn't your teachers ever teach you that imperialism is the taking of a nations's wealth, by another nation ? If they did, and you know this, then how do you have any qualm with Post # 64 ? Or do you doubt the findings of the Pew Research Center ?.....,showing the US to be the # 1 loser of $$$ in the world, displaying in detail, the forfeiters and beneficiaries.

 

[protectionist]

Liminal, don't include me in the American desire to murder, whether one at a time or in mass. It is astonishing and disturbing to see the American psyche in all its glory. Are you one of those who talks about how evil the holocaust was?

This is the American psyche:

Germans murdered by Allies.

Iraqis murdered by U.S.

Vietnamese murdered by U.S.

FALSE! This is not the American psyche in any way shape or form. Regarding your last pictures, it was millions of Americans (including me) who vigorously protested against the Vietnam War, for years. Just because a few idiots, who happened to be in govt power, perpetrated this obscenity, that doesn't come to define it as an American psyche. Such a statement is absurd.

As far as Iraqis is concerned, they are allies of the US now, and they fight against other Iraqis who aren't, and who kill rampantly. It is the atrocities of ISIS that you should be showing, if that is how you think you need to post.

As for World War II, I am a veteran, and I go to a VA hospital, quite often. I see World War II veterans there and talk to them all the time. And I've been talking to World War II veterans all my life. I have yet to hear a single one of them express the kind of "psyche" that you describe. Frankly, I think you are ridiculous, and as I've said before, the theme of this thread is a joke.

You are obviously a pathological America-hater, and you obviously take everything you see and channel it into that deranged subjectivity. Not my problem.

 

[protectionist]

I'm sure it looks that way from a superficial one dimensional simple minded perspective. Do you pay taxes? Do you pay taxes anywhere in the industrialized western world? If so then you are equally complicit in genocide.

FALSE! Taxes are legal requirements. To not pay them, results in severe penalties of imprisonment. What people are forced to do, they are not culpable for.

And besides that. The US is not committing genocide. ISIS is doing that (and other groups within the international jihad)

 

[protectionist]

That's quite a list, but it seems incomplete. You missed the time in 1968 when I beat up the kid down the street for stealing my bike.

That doesn't fit the definition of imperialism or mass murder (like most of what's on that ludicrous list) Let's be happy that Kalki didn't include US foreign aid and the Peace Corp in his list of "American imperialism"

 

[Liminal]

I'm sure it looks that way from a superficial one dimensional simple minded perspective. Do you pay taxes? Do you pay taxes anywhere in the industrialized western world? If so then you are equally complicit in genocide.

FALSE! Taxes are legal requirements. To not pay them, results in severe penalties of imprisonment. What people are forced to do, they are not culpable for.

And besides that. The US is not committing genocide. ISIS is doing that (and other groups within the international jihad)

I'm sorry you feel so guilty about your part in genocide.