Immigration Bill A Secret No More

[Blaster]

Trump denies trying to block Biden from border win

Former President Trump, the current GOP front-runner who has railed against the bipartisan border deal for weeks, denied the idea of trying to block President Biden, his likely rival in the 2024 el…

thehill.com

 

[citygator]

What part of migrants "crossing" were sent back to Mexico don't you understand?

No one can stop the crossings, but Trump sent them back.

Biden's open borders let 10,000,000 into the US, Biden is a national security disaster.

That's not true.

 

[Delldude]

Why didnt Trump "shut" the border if it was just the will of enforcement?

You must have forgotten His threats to Mexico if they didn't play ball.....they did.

Does the executive branch have authority to “close” the southern border? Recently, President Trump declared that he would order the closure of the U.S.-Mexico border or at least “large sections” of it, unless Mexico acts to stop flows of migrants and drugs into the United States or unless Congress enacts certain reforms to the immigration system. The statements presumably refer to the closure of land ports of entry on the border (federal laws already prohibit entry between ports, and a Trump Administration policy that would have rendered non-U.S. nationals (aliens) who violate those laws ineligible for asylum protections has been blocked by federal courts, as explained in a separate Legal Sidebar). The President later declared that he would give Mexico a “one-year warning” before placing tariffs on cars made in Mexico or closing the border. His statements have prompted legal questions about the reach of executive authority to close ports of entry on the southern border to people and goods.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/lsb/lsb10283

The secretary has broad power to follow the law. Granting asylum claims isnt his job or that of the executive branch at any level.

The Secretary, now has broad power, under this new LAW to make all kinds of regulations.
All they need to do is declare an emergency and The Secretary has almost unlimited authority.

Only courts can grant an asylum claim and the funding I posted was to fund additional court capacity to catch up and keep current.

They claim this great new law will eliminate going through courts, contributing to the current backlog. It's BS.
An asylum officer is to be the gate keeper on determining whether or not an illegal meets the requirements for asylum. If the illegal is found to be legit for seeking asylum, they go before the Protection Appellate Board for further determination.

If the illegal doesn't have a legit claim, then the asylum officer informs them they don't meet the requirements. If they don't object, they will be removed, however, they have the option of applying for reconsideration which will further tie up the courts. How many denied asylum won't pursue this option......all I'd bet.

‘‘(5) AUTHORITY TO GRANT RELIEF OR PROTECTION .

‘‘(A) IN GENERAL .—If an alien demonstrates, by clear and convincing evidence
that the alien is eligible for asylum, withholding of removal under section 241(b)(3), or protection under the Convention Against Torture during the protection determination, the asylum officer, subject to the procedures under subparagraph (B), may grant an application for such relief or protection submitted by such alien
without referring the alien to protection merits removal proceedings under section 240D.

‘‘(B) SUPERVISORY REVIEW .

‘‘(i) IN GENERAL .—An application granted by an asylum officer under sub
paragraph (A) shall be reviewed by a supervisory asylum officer to determine
whether such grant is warranted.

‘‘(ii) LIMITATION .—A decision by an asylum officer to grant an application
under subparagraph (A) shall not be final and the alien shall not be notified of such
decision, unless a supervisory asylum officer first determines, based on the review
conducted pursuant to clause (i), that such a grant is warranted.

‘‘(iii) EFFECT OF APPROVAL .—If the supervisor determines that granting an
alien’s application for relief or protection is warranted
‘‘(I) such application shall be approved; and
‘‘(II) the alien shall receive written notification of such decision as
soon as practicable.

‘‘(iv) EFFECT OF NON- APPROVAL .—If the supervisor determines that the grant is
not warranted, the alien shall be referred for protection merits removal proceedings
under section 240D.

‘‘(C) SPECIAL RULES .—Notwithstanding any other provision of law
‘‘(i) if an alien’s application for asylum is approved pursuant to subparagraph
(B)(iii), the asylum officer may not issue an order of removal; and
‘‘(ii) if an alien’s application for with holding of removal under section 241(b)(3)
or for withholding or deferral of removal under the Convention Against Torture is
approved pursuant to subparagraph (B)(iii), the asylum officer shall issue a
corresponding order of removal.

Many see this for what it is, bad legislation.





I know you guys just love this guy........he makes some very good points:

 

[progressive hunter]

Senate Negotiators Unveil Bipartisan Legislation To Fix The Border

"If it’s good for the country but bad for Donald Trump, what do you choose?" Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy said in urging Republicans to support the legislation.

www.huffpost.com

And it is as we have been saying. The most forceful immigration bill in decades.

Will Republicans sign on to this? They claim they want the border “fixed”. Well here is that fix.

BREAKING: Joe Biden just told the most outrageous lie of his entire presidency – The Right Scoop

therightscoop.com

 

[Delldude]

BREAKING: Joe Biden just told the most outrageous lie of his entire presidency – The Right Scoop

therightscoop.com

See he said something about meeting with ex French President Francois Mitterrand recently?
Dude's been dead for some thirty years......

 

[Lesh]

See he said something about meeting with ex French President Francois Mitterrand recently?
Dude's been dead for some thirty years......

And Trump thinks he beat Obama on 2016 and that Nikki Haley was in charge of security at the Capitol on Jan 6

 

[Lesh]

You must have forgotten His threats to Mexico if they didn't play ball.....they did.

Does the executive branch have authority to “close” the southern border? Recently, President Trump declared that he would order the closure of the U.S.-Mexico border or at least “large sections” of it, unless Mexico acts to stop flows of migrants and drugs into the United States or unless Congress enacts certain reforms to the immigration system. The statements presumably refer to the closure of land ports of entry on the border (federal laws already prohibit entry between ports, and a Trump Administration policy that would have rendered non-U.S. nationals (aliens) who violate those laws ineligible for asylum protections has been blocked by federal courts, as explained in a separate Legal Sidebar). The President later declared that he would give Mexico a “one-year warning” before placing tariffs on cars made in Mexico or closing the border. His statements have prompted legal questions about the reach of executive authority to close ports of entry on the southern border to people and goods.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/lsb/lsb10283

The Secretary, now has broad power, under this new LAW to make all kinds of regulations.
All they need to do is declare an emergency and The Secretary has almost unlimited authority.

They claim this great new law will eliminate going through courts, contributing to the current backlog. It's BS.
An asylum officer is to be the gate keeper on determining whether or not an illegal meets the requirements for asylum. If the illegal is found to be legit for seeking asylum, they go before the Protection Appellate Board for further determination.

If the illegal doesn't have a legit claim, then the asylum officer informs them they don't meet the requirements. If they don't object, they will be removed, however, they have the option of applying for reconsideration which will further tie up the courts. How many denied asylum won't pursue this option......all I'd bet.

‘‘(5) AUTHORITY TO GRANT RELIEF OR PROTECTION .

‘‘(A) IN GENERAL .—If an alien demonstrates, by clear and convincing evidence
that the alien is eligible for asylum, withholding of removal under section 241(b)(3), or protection under the Convention Against Torture during the protection determination, the asylum officer, subject to the procedures under subparagraph (B), may grant an application for such relief or protection submitted by such alien
without referring the alien to protection merits removal proceedings under section 240D.

‘‘(B) SUPERVISORY REVIEW .

‘‘(i) IN GENERAL .—An application granted by an asylum officer under sub
paragraph (A) shall be reviewed by a supervisory asylum officer to determine
whether such grant is warranted.

‘‘(ii) LIMITATION .—A decision by an asylum officer to grant an application
under subparagraph (A) shall not be final and the alien shall not be notified of such
decision, unless a supervisory asylum officer first determines, based on the review
conducted pursuant to clause (i), that such a grant is warranted.

‘‘(iii) EFFECT OF APPROVAL .—If the supervisor determines that granting an
alien’s application for relief or protection is warranted
‘‘(I) such application shall be approved; and
‘‘(II) the alien shall receive written notification of such decision as
soon as practicable.

‘‘(iv) EFFECT OF NON- APPROVAL .—If the supervisor determines that the grant is
not warranted, the alien shall be referred for protection merits removal proceedings
under section 240D.

‘‘(C) SPECIAL RULES .—Notwithstanding any other provision of law
‘‘(i) if an alien’s application for asylum is approved pursuant to subparagraph
(B)(iii), the asylum officer may not issue an order of removal; and
‘‘(ii) if an alien’s application for with holding of removal under section 241(b)(3)
or for withholding or deferral of removal under the Convention Against Torture is
approved pursuant to subparagraph (B)(iii), the asylum officer shall issue a
corresponding order of removal.

Many see this for what it is, bad legislation.





I know you guys just love this guy........he makes some very good points:

Neither Waters nor Trump read the bill.

All they know is that solving immigration while Biden is President hurts Trump so yeah

No solving immigration

 

[Delldude]

And Trump thinks he beat Obama on 2016 and that Nikki Haley was in charge of security at the Capitol on Jan 6

You can't do better than that? Dead thirty years ago and he thinks he talked to him recently.......and you clowns were worried about Trump and the nuclear button.....

Goes to show you Haley is a Pelosi clone.

 

[kyzr]

That's not true.

These are all true:

Migrants "crossing illegally" were all sent back to Mexico?

No one can stop the crossings, but Trump sent them back.

Biden's "open borders" let 8,000,000 into the US, Biden is a national security disaster.

Fact check: Have '8 million' migrants come to the U.S. under Biden?

Republican presidential candidates Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis have each claimed that 8 million immigrants have entered the U.S. through the southern border since Joe Biden became president.

www.wral.com

 

[Delldude]

Neither Waters nor Trump read the bill.

All they know is that solving immigration while Biden is President hurts Trump so yeah

They did, Watters mentions it in his monologue. Guarantee you Trump had access to it and Trump would read it.......so did Newt and others.......so did Obama....what's your point?

Byron York:

Of course, most of the attention has focused on the border. That’s because Biden’s policy of essentially opening the border, allowing somewhere between 6 million and 8 million illegal crossers to enter the United States, has finally spread disruption not just to the border states but to big blue cities including New York, Chicago, and Washington, D.C. With an election approaching, some leaders of Biden’s own party are nervous about the damage he has done. They believe passing a “border bill” would be a way for them to say to voters: Look, we tried to do something about it.

The problem is, the Democratic impulse on the border problem has always been to search for ways, and money, to facilitate, speed, accommodate, and regularize the crossing of millions of inadmissible migrants into the U.S. They do not look at chaos on the border and say, Stop the flow! They look at it and say, We need more beds and social workers and asylum officials to process these migrants more efficiently into the country.
_____________________________
The bill, in other words, reflected that basic difference between the Democratic and Republican approaches to the border: Faced with thousands overwhelming the border every day, Biden and the Democratic Party wanted to accommodate the flow. Republicans wanted to stop the flow.

I asked Cesar Conda, a former chief of staff for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and a veteran of 2013’s Gang of Eight, which was the last big attempt to pass comprehensive immigration reform, what went wrong this time.

“The one lesson from the Gang of Eight reform is that big immigration bills are doomed to fail,” Conda told me in an email exchange. “The 2013 bill not only addressed the status of illegal immigrants and border security, but also included the entire kitchen sink of immigration issues, including low- and high-skilled workers, refugees, agricultural workers, diversity visas, and family-based and merit-based immigration. The bill ended up totaling 544 pages, which in and of itself became a source of criticism.”

The Gang of Eight bill actually passed the Senate with votes to spare. But it failed in the House. Now, looking back, Conda sees some telling differences between then and now, the biggest of which was that the 2013 bill’s authors went through the entire procedure for passing a bill. “At least the Gang of Eight was considered under regular order,” Conda said. “It was marked up in the Senate Judiciary Committee and fully considered on the Senate floor. This new border bill, 370 pages of legislative text, was crafted behind closed doors by just three senators, released at the last minute, and will be jammed into the supplemental security bill with apparently no opportunity for senators to amend it.” That’s one of the hallmarks of bad legislation. Its authors don’t want it to be fully aired before lawmakers vote on it.

Finally, I asked Conda about accusations from Democrats and others that Republicans only opposed the bill because former President Donald Trump told them to. Yesterday former Rep. Liz Cheney posted on X, “On Trump’s orders, Republicans in Congress are rejecting the border security deal.” What about that? I asked Conda. “No,” he responded. “This border deal was dead on arrival without Trump’s opposition. Republicans don’t believe Joe Biden would use any of the additional tools in this bill to secure the border. He has the authority under current law to stop this surge of illegal aliens but refuses to do it.”

 

[jc456]

Right wingers just want to demonize brown skin. No interest in immigration improvements. Biden exposed that brilliantly.

Same scrubbed nonsense. It’s about ILLEGAL ACCESS and not immigration

 

[yidnar]

You have zero interest in fixing the border problem.

You just want to bitch about it

the border crossings have increased nearly 5X since the briben admin took office ... briben said he would open the border during the dem primary debates ! like it or not most Americans blame Briben and the dims for the border crisis .

 

[citygator]

The party that took 15 votes and went through 5 candidates for House Leadership before it settled on a religious nut is in chaotic turmoil.

In October the Republicans told their leadership that they wanted to wrap immigration into foreign aide and dispatched Mitch McConnell and Sen Larkin to negotiate the bill. Now they want no bill at all.

The GOP is incompetent. It hasn’t passed a single bill. It hasn’t coalesced around one single issue or policy. It is a collection of broken people who piss in their pants all day.

 

[Delldude]

In October the Republicans told their leadership that they wanted to wrap immigration into foreign aide and dispatched Mitch McConnell and Sen Larkin to negotiate the bill.

The deal was stand alones from the start. McConnell didn't want to hear it, neither did Schumer......

The GOP is incompetent. It hasn’t passed a single bill.

Dude.......

US Congress 2023-2024 118th Congress Legislation

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[eagle1462010]

The party that took 15 votes and went through 5 candidates for House Leadership before it settled on a religious nut is in chaotic turmoil.

In October the Republicans told their leadership that they wanted to wrap immigration into foreign aide and dispatched Mitch McConnell and Sen Larkin to negotiate the bill. Now they want no bill at all.

The GOP is incompetent. It hasn’t passed a single bill. It hasn’t coalesced around one single issue or policy. It is a collection of broken people who piss in their pants all day.

HR 2 passed and is ready for the Senate and Brandon to sign.

Your Blame shifting Psycho babble only works on your brain dead cult.

 

[citygator]

The deal was stand alones from the start. McConnell didn't want to hear it, neither did Schumer......


Dude.......

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Nope. The GOP has no leadership nor platform which is why they spin around in circles. Shit, the whole party has no organizing principle. They are impotent. They are incompetent. They have passed nothing since winning the House. Nothing. Not one bill of consequence. None. Nothing.

 

[citygator]

HR 2 passed and is ready for the Senate and Brandon to sign.

Your Blame shifting Psycho babble only works on your brain dead cult.

HR2 is a piece of shit. Not negotiated with a single dem. It is an unserious attempt at legislation. Just like the 95 bills to repeal Obamacare. Zero good faith. None. The GOP doesnt lead. It only virtue signals. You are a stupid fucker for falling for it and you deserve the cesspool your life is.

 

[eagle1462010]

HR2 is a piece of shit. Not negotiated with a single dem. It is an unserious attempt at legislation. Just like the 95 bills to repeal Obamacare. Zero good faith. None. The GOP doesnt lead. It only virtue signals. You are a stupid fucker for falling for it and you deserve the cesspool your life is.

Oh well Senate bill DOA.

You have no intention of securing border, only to keep it flowing til you get absolute power.

People like you get ANGRY when others say NO. Go to a corner. You are in time out.

 

[Lesh]

Oh well Senate bill DOA.

You have no intention of securing border, only to keep it flowing til you get absolute power.

People like you get ANGRY when others say NO. Go to a corner. You are in time out.

It will keep flowing because Trump and the GOP killed this bill.

Like it or not… you fuckers own the border now

 

[Lesh]

They did, Watters mentions it in his monologue. Guarantee you Trump had access to it and Trump would read it.......so did Newt and others.......so did Obama....what's your point?

Byron York:

Of course, most of the attention has focused on the border. That’s because Biden’s policy of essentially opening the border, allowing somewhere between 6 million and 8 million illegal crossers to enter the United States, has finally spread disruption not just to the border states but to big blue cities including New York, Chicago, and Washington, D.C. With an election approaching, some leaders of Biden’s own party are nervous about the damage he has done. They believe passing a “border bill” would be a way for them to say to voters: Look, we tried to do something about it.

The problem is, the Democratic impulse on the border problem has always been to search for ways, and money, to facilitate, speed, accommodate, and regularize the crossing of millions of inadmissible migrants into the U.S. They do not look at chaos on the border and say, Stop the flow! They look at it and say, We need more beds and social workers and asylum officials to process these migrants more efficiently into the country.
_____________________________
The bill, in other words, reflected that basic difference between the Democratic and Republican approaches to the border: Faced with thousands overwhelming the border every day, Biden and the Democratic Party wanted to accommodate the flow. Republicans wanted to stop the flow.

I asked Cesar Conda, a former chief of staff for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and a veteran of 2013’s Gang of Eight, which was the last big attempt to pass comprehensive immigration reform, what went wrong this time.

“The one lesson from the Gang of Eight reform is that big immigration bills are doomed to fail,” Conda told me in an email exchange. “The 2013 bill not only addressed the status of illegal immigrants and border security, but also included the entire kitchen sink of immigration issues, including low- and high-skilled workers, refugees, agricultural workers, diversity visas, and family-based and merit-based immigration. The bill ended up totaling 544 pages, which in and of itself became a source of criticism.”

The Gang of Eight bill actually passed the Senate with votes to spare. But it failed in the House. Now, looking back, Conda sees some telling differences between then and now, the biggest of which was that the 2013 bill’s authors went through the entire procedure for passing a bill. “At least the Gang of Eight was considered under regular order,” Conda said. “It was marked up in the Senate Judiciary Committee and fully considered on the Senate floor. This new border bill, 370 pages of legislative text, was crafted behind closed doors by just three senators, released at the last minute, and will be jammed into the supplemental security bill with apparently no opportunity for senators to amend it.” That’s one of the hallmarks of bad legislation. Its authors don’t want it to be fully aired before lawmakers vote on it.

Finally, I asked Conda about accusations from Democrats and others that Republicans only opposed the bill because former President Donald Trump told them to. Yesterday former Rep. Liz Cheney posted on X, “On Trump’s orders, Republicans in Congress are rejecting the border security deal.” What about that? I asked Conda. “No,” he responded. “This border deal was dead on arrival without Trump’s opposition. Republicans don’t believe Joe Biden would use any of the additional tools in this bill to secure the border. He has the authority under current law to stop this surge of illegal aliens but refuses to do it.”

Neither Waters nor Trump read the bill. Trump can barely read a comic book and Waters might have read snippets of a summary

They decided where they stood before the bill even came out