healthmyths
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You guys have kind of gotten off topic here a bit. All we are discussing is why people appear to hate Trump. I am not saying I agree with those opinions, simply trying to explain to someone who doesnât see the reasoning behind it.I find it kind of hard to believe that the progs who are destroying this nation from within, are the very people i used to fight against in the old USSR. There can only be one outcome....1) I kind of thought we were having a nice civil conversation about the seemingly massive political divide in this nation. Not another screaming match about who lacks the intellect and moral fortitude our nation values.Because those few on the left who have the Lame Stream Media on their side do nothing but attack the rightful president who beat out some sick, loud mouthed bitch, who kept falling down.As I already said, I am not trying to make an argument, I am simply trying to answer the question, why do people seem to hate Trump so much? And yes Bill Clinton is the poster child for amorality. And Hillary is not far behind. And yes I see the hypocrisy.I appreciate your observations.If you are looking for an actual answer, people hate Trump because he has drawn lines between who is with him and who is against him. He has acted in ways that many people believe display his amorality. And in all fairness, putting young children in detention centers to dissuade their parents from trying to enter this country illegally may be effective, but fairly uncaring and heartless.
Also, some who feel that this country has never generally accepted them (be they Dreamers or people of color, or homosexuals), his rhetoric and policies appear to be an attempt at moving us back to a time when they did not have the basic protections that many of us take for granted. So they and people who believe in a multi-cultural nation feel like President Trump is trying to undo what they see as the progress of the last 300 years of history in this country.
Not asking you to agree but you seemed to want to understand what folks on the other side of this political divide are seeing.
So please give me some examples of Trump's "amorality", i.e. lack of moral principles.
Because I thought a President was human. Was Clinton amoral? Is Biden amoral with his obvious actions like the below photos show?
Also... you realize that Obama built the detention centers? Remember the Internet has memories. So who started the cages?
Finally I am personally offended by your position Trump is anti-immigrant. See I have a relative that is a LEGAL immigrant as 50 million other Americans like me with relatives OR are "Legal" immigrants. My relatives and the other 50 million went through a lot of obstacles to become a citizen and when people call us like Trump "anti-immigrant" it is very very offensive! No different than calling blacks..N*****s! We like Trump find it grossly offensive that ILLEGALS that break the laws and then people feel sorry for them, like you do? Where is your passion for the people that LEGALLY gave up their citizenship to become Americans while these "ILLEGALS" don't! That is morally wrong!
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Also, Hilary and Trump have both called a whole segment of our population subhuman. These do not seem to be the musings of individuals who care one bit You or me. Even amoral? Again and again the Clintons and Trump have used their fortunes to shield themselves from the legal ramifications of their behavior. Be it shady real estate deals (actually talking about Clintonâs here), rape (again Clinton), or refusing to pay for work that has been done because itâs cheaper to pay lawyers (Trump), or creating a company that you use as collateral to accumulate more wealth and then go bankrupt leaving your fellow investors high and dry (Trump in Atlantic City). So yes, the Clintons appear to be pieces of human refuse unfit to serve, but please set the same critical eye toward our current president ( who by the way was a democrat and one of the Clintons biggest donors for years).
Again, Iâm really not trying to disagree, simply answering questions you are asking.
2) Like I would no more presume to know what a Masai warrior thinks of post modernism, I hoped this would be an opportunity for us all to have a honest disagreement that did not devolve into any of us spewing that same old tired rhetoric that serves no one but those already in power. Maybe, this could even lead to a deeper understanding and maybe someone (maybe me) would see a different perspective and be moved by it.
So, unless you truly believe that Americans are too stupid to see political disagreements should never devolve into culture wars, or we risk the democracy that everyone here, other than Russian Bots/stooges (looking right at you Pole Chic!) and the crazed radicals from the left or the right, report to want.
May I ask with all respect for you to tone down your language and truly focus on exchanging ideas.
Or you could just call me a âLibtardâ or some other insult and we can be on our individual ways.
100% agree with you and the outcome will be a landslide vote for Trump...BECAUSE the VAST majority of Americans are "constructive"
people...NOT destructive. The history of America is "Building", Constructing,i.e. progress.
NO country in the world has helped raise the poverty level of nearly 1 billion people in the world.
Today, about 10% of the world population lives in extreme poverty, while in 1990 the corresponding figure was about 37%.
Two centuries ago almost everyone in the world lived in extreme poverty.
Poverty
In order to make progress against poverty in the future, we need to understand poverty around the world today and how it has changed.ourworldindata.org
So my confidence in the majority of Americans favor "CONSTRUCTION" VS "DESTRUCTION" and this majority see the "DESTRUCTIVE" nature of the cities run by Democrats who appear feckless in law and order. This majority DO NOT want a President who has as Biden shown time and again willing to kiss the Destroyers' ass! If you favor CONSTRUCTIVE behavior...vote for Trump.
You guys are just irrationally blasting the far left...do us all a big favor and take the extreme progressives down with logic not emotion. Many of the folks hitting the streets in cities are privilege white kids who think playing revolution is fun. Where do you think this same crowd would be if actual fighting broke out? Dead in the first 5 minutes of shooting, hiding in an alley sitting in a puddle of their own pee, or crying for mommy to make the mean men with the guns to stop shooting at them. The modern day progressive is not actually a traditional progressive in any real sense any way. Real progressives are about progress, hence you want the police to curb their use of force and you go and start conversations with police departments. You create community engagement through programs that help people, you donât stand with a sign and chant catchy sayings.
You want real progressives go look up the history of the Black Panthers.
By the way, the far right itâs just as off target..the Hullabaloo...come on give me break. They are more or less the exact same thing as the whackos in Portland, in fact they are some of the whackos in Portland.
My point here is that if you are angry great, but try to create reasonably well thought out arguments other than : Left bad, Big Government evil, Trump great, he will win a Yuge victory just like last time. You see none of that is an argument and with that you are not going to convince anyone that doesnât already agree with you. This being a democracy changing peopleâs minds so theyâll agree with you is kind of the point. You see why we need better civics programs. Itâs getting to the point that I canât even tell uninformed patriotic Americans from Russian bots anY more.
And a lot of what you wrote above... I AGREE WITH! The big and massive error you have committed is NOT recognizing the role the BIASED
MSM has played which is what has been MY main objective, i.e. to EDUCATE people evidently like you that you can't believe the MSM!
The major reason for the extremely biased MSM starts in the 60s a time I was in college and I took journalism classes. I also was on the
fringe of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) of which the Weathermen was an offshoot, of which well known figures were William Ayers (he later hosted Obama's announcement of running for Illinois senate seat) and Bernardine Dohrn(being wanted by FBI for killings).
In my journalism classes were future editors/producers just as there were on hundreds of college journalism classes that were ALSO part of the SDS/Weathermen. As a consequence the mental discipline of these editors/producers is best summed up by this quote from the former executive editor of the New York Times....
Though her successor Dean Baquet said publicly he didnât want the Times to be the opposition party, his news pages were unmistakably anti-Trump,â writes Abramson, who also faults the Washington Post for its reporting. âSome headlines contained raw opinion, as did some of the stories that were labeled as news analysis.â
She said the coverage of Trump conflicts with the principles espoused by former Times publisher Adolph Ochs in 1896 to report the news impartially âwithout fear or favor.â
Ex-New York Times editor rips paper as âunmistakably anti-Trumpâ
The former executive editor of the New York Times blasted the newspaperâs coverage of the president as âunmistakably anti-Trump.â Jill Abramson, who was the top news executive at âŚ
nypost.com
to understand therefore why the MSM continues to the tune of over 90% negative Trump news presentations. To me it was obvious.
I may dislike Trump personally, always have, couldn't stand the TV show...BUT I have seen his effectiveness in battling the politically correct mindset especially in Washington. After all he donated to Hillary! So who would know better the ineffectiveness of the Democrats both from a political and more importantly the ability to get things DONE!