If the Dem, whoever it is, wins in Nov. he will be faced with a monumental task

[Fang]

Just to take a reality break...
1. The senate will likely stay GOP based on the fact that Doug Jones is toast in AL, and the 4 toss-ups all won't go democrat.
2. The House will likely swing back to the GOP because the 31 seats the dems won in 2018 in Trump districts will most likely swing back to the GOP since Trump has a 95% approval rating among Republicans
3. So even if Joe ekes out a presidential win he won't be able to do much damage.
More likely Trump will win re-election, just based on Joe being so old and obviously has dementia.

If this scenario does happen the GOP House will need to start impeachment hearings in Feb 2021.

 

[berg80]

“Thrice going forward”. So the country is suddenly doing poorly by your standards?

Not suddenly. Since day 1 of this cretin's presidency. A day marked by a foreshadowing of what was to come as Spicey was forced to go out in front of the media and lie about the inauguration crowd size.

 

[berg80]

Climate change means that the US wastes $billions

The notion that combating climate change will come at a severe economic cost to the US is a fallacy promoted by entrenched industries whose profits depend on using the legacy fuel sources that are killing the planet.

 

[Crepitus]

Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone.

First, the US needs to re-engage with the rest of the world in fighting climate change. Every other issue pales in comparison to this one in importance since the survival of the planet hinges on how aggressively we take on the problem.

It's going to be very difficult to put the tax cut genie back in the bottle but taxes will have to be raised. The increase in the deficit (which is the one thing supporting this economy) is unsustainable. It may take some time as a recession is inevitable. Typically that's when tax cuts are enacted and stimulative interest rate cuts are made. These measures have already taken place to keep Baby Donald's fragile economy afloat. So the government will be severely hamstrung when the recession comes.

Civility and integrity must be restored to the office of the POTUS. Pathological lying must end, indifference to policy details must end, the end of pep rallies, the end of boorish tweets, the end of thin skinned attacks on any critic, the end of the degradation of foundational institutions, the end of nepotism, the end of profiteering from holding the office, the end of purging civil servants based on loyalty tests...........it all has to stop.

The endless sabotage of the ACA must cease. The original goal of democratizing the cost of health insurance by expanding the pool of those insured is fundamentally sound. Beyond that, medical cost inflation must be brought under control. The free market has failed miserably in that endeavor and so by necessity government controls need to be instituted as they are, successfully, in the rest of the industrialized world.

We must repair international relations. Enemies like China and Russia are most effectively taken on by building coalitions with like minded countries. Not by putting "America first." Idiotic, jingoistic slogans like "globalists" need to give way to realization alliances make us stronger, not weaker.

Gun violence is arguably the top public safety issue after climate change. There are no perfect solutions to eliminating gun violence but measures must be taken to do what we can to reduce it based on empirical data. To that end, a national commission should be organized to study the problem and make recommendations to be considered.

Immigration reform along the lines of the bipartisan bill passed by the Senate in 2013 (and killed by the coward known as John Boehner in the House) needs to be enacted. A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill

Obviously, this is just a partial list. The damage to the country brought on by the reign of corruption and incompetence by the ignorant fool known as President Shithole and his enablers is extensive and can not be reversed over night. Naturally, efforts at repair will be fought be the remnants of the cult of Trumpery. The Following's blind devotion to the fact free construct Don and right wing media has created will not be easy to extinguish since the media cohort spewing lies and distortions of the truth will remain even after the Orange Fraud is gone off the stage. But they must be marginalized. Reduced to the whining bar stool cranks and bigots that they are. Hopefully, the GOP will make a comeback as the principled conservatives they once were. Before the rise of extremism, fueled by Faux and right wing talk radio, radicalized the party in to an angry mob intolerant of anyone not like them.

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

 

[berg80]

If Trump loses, China will be EMBOLDENED

What makes you think so? The wet noodle, essentially meaningless Phase 1 trade agreement with China that does nothing to change the kinds of behavior we want them to change?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Wrong. Itll take a few more years to clean up the stench and remove the stain from the brown buffoon. Orange man is scrubbing the excrement out but it's gonna take awhile.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

“Thrice going forward”. So the country is suddenly doing poorly by your standards?

Not suddenly. Since day 1 of this cretin's presidency. A day marked by a foreshadowing of what was to come as Spicey was forced to go out in front of the media and lie about the inauguration crowd size.

So the historically low unemployment and wage growth is bad for the country? Do tell.

 

[Polishprince]

Wrong. Itll take a few more years to clean up the stench and remove the stain from the brown buffoon. Orange man is scrubbing the excrement out but it's gonna take awhile.

President Trump is working hard on cleaning up Obama's mess, and will complete it quicker than a lot of people think. Over in Greece, the tremendous Hercules was faced with a similar labor and completed it quicker than was anticipated. Like Trump, Herc was a doer.

Hercules' Fifth Labor: the Augean Stables

 

[shockedcanadian]

If Trump loses, China will be EMBOLDENED

What makes you think so? The wet noodle, essentially meaningless Phase 1 trade agreement with China that does nothing to change the kinds of behavior we want them to change?

That's he first phase. It would have been far better for the U.S if the Dems were on board. As it were, like Canada, China is banking on Trump losing in 2020.

Mexico and the US have ratified the USMCA. You know who hasn't? Canada.

Like I said for a long time, you have foreign interference in your election and you're letting it happen. It's amazing to me you don't demand I.D for all voters.

 

[berg80]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

 

[berg80]

As it were, like Canada, China is banking on Trump losing in 2020.

So is the rest of the world. It's our best hope for the future.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Was Marie the lady who suggested to NOT defend Ukraine or send them weapons to defend themselves from Russia out of fear of Putin, or was that the other brilliant, non-partisan?

 

[Polishprince]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

 

[Crepitus]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

 

[Polishprince]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

 

[martybegan]

Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone.

First, the US needs to re-engage with the rest of the world in fighting climate change. Every other issue pales in comparison to this one in importance since the survival of the planet hinges on how aggressively we take on the problem.

It's going to be very difficult to put the tax cut genie back in the bottle but taxes will have to be raised. The increase in the deficit (which is the one thing supporting this economy) is unsustainable. It may take some time as a recession is inevitable. Typically that's when tax cuts are enacted and stimulative interest rate cuts are made. These measures have already taken place to keep Baby Donald's fragile economy afloat. So the government will be severely hamstrung when the recession comes.

Civility and integrity must be restored to the office of the POTUS. Pathological lying must end, indifference to policy details must end, the end of pep rallies, the end of boorish tweets, the end of thin skinned attacks on any critic, the end of the degradation of foundational institutions, the end of nepotism, the end of profiteering from holding the office, the end of purging civil servants based on loyalty tests...........it all has to stop.

The endless sabotage of the ACA must cease. The original goal of democratizing the cost of health insurance by expanding the pool of those insured is fundamentally sound. Beyond that, medical cost inflation must be brought under control. The free market has failed miserably in that endeavor and so by necessity government controls need to be instituted as they are, successfully, in the rest of the industrialized world.

We must repair international relations. Enemies like China and Russia are most effectively taken on by building coalitions with like minded countries. Not by putting "America first." Idiotic, jingoistic slogans like "globalists" need to give way to realization alliances make us stronger, not weaker.

Gun violence is arguably the top public safety issue after climate change. There are no perfect solutions to eliminating gun violence but measures must be taken to do what we can to reduce it based on empirical data. To that end, a national commission should be organized to study the problem and make recommendations to be considered.

Immigration reform along the lines of the bipartisan bill passed by the Senate in 2013 (and killed by the coward known as John Boehner in the House) needs to be enacted. A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill

Obviously, this is just a partial list. The damage to the country brought on by the reign of corruption and incompetence by the ignorant fool known as President Shithole and his enablers is extensive and can not be reversed over night. Naturally, efforts at repair will be fought be the remnants of the cult of Trumpery. The Following's blind devotion to the fact free construct Don and right wing media has created will not be easy to extinguish since the media cohort spewing lies and distortions of the truth will remain even after the Orange Fraud is gone off the stage. But they must be marginalized. Reduced to the whining bar stool cranks and bigots that they are. Hopefully, the GOP will make a comeback as the principled conservatives they once were. Before the rise of extremism, fueled by Faux and right wing talk radio, radicalized the party in to an angry mob intolerant of anyone not like them.

FOAD.

/thread.

 

[Crepitus]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

 

[kyzr]

Climate change means that the US wastes $billions

The notion that combating climate change will come at a severe economic cost to the US is a fallacy promoted by entrenched industries whose profits depend on using the legacy fuel sources that are killing the planet.

Here is a link that says Trump is right, the cost to US families would be significant.
Tack that on to the "income inequality" argument, a "climate tax"
Staying in Paris Agreement Would Have Cost Families $20K
Staying in Paris Agreement Would Have Cost Families $20K

 

[martybegan]

Whoever it is has to start by rebuilding the federal government from the ground up. The posts that aren't vacant are filled with tRumplings, that are the newly created "deep state" that tRump has imagined from day one.

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

 

[bullwinkle]

Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone.

First, the US needs to re-engage with the rest of the world in fighting climate change. Every other issue pales in comparison to this one in importance since the survival of the planet hinges on how aggressively we take on the problem.

It's going to be very difficult to put the tax cut genie back in the bottle but taxes will have to be raised. The increase in the deficit (which is the one thing supporting this economy) is unsustainable. It may take some time as a recession is inevitable. Typically that's when tax cuts are enacted and stimulative interest rate cuts are made. These measures have already taken place to keep Baby Donald's fragile economy afloat. So the government will be severely hamstrung when the recession comes.

Civility and integrity must be restored to the office of the POTUS. Pathological lying must end, indifference to policy details must end, the end of pep rallies, the end of boorish tweets, the end of thin skinned attacks on any critic, the end of the degradation of foundational institutions, the end of nepotism, the end of profiteering from holding the office, the end of purging civil servants based on loyalty tests...........it all has to stop.

The endless sabotage of the ACA must cease. The original goal of democratizing the cost of health insurance by expanding the pool of those insured is fundamentally sound. Beyond that, medical cost inflation must be brought under control. The free market has failed miserably in that endeavor and so by necessity government controls need to be instituted as they are, successfully, in the rest of the industrialized world.

We must repair international relations. Enemies like China and Russia are most effectively taken on by building coalitions with like minded countries. Not by putting "America first." Idiotic, jingoistic slogans like "globalists" need to give way to realization alliances make us stronger, not weaker.

Gun violence is arguably the top public safety issue after climate change. There are no perfect solutions to eliminating gun violence but measures must be taken to do what we can to reduce it based on empirical data. To that end, a national commission should be organized to study the problem and make recommendations to be considered.

Immigration reform along the lines of the bipartisan bill passed by the Senate in 2013 (and killed by the coward known as John Boehner in the House) needs to be enacted. A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill

Obviously, this is just a partial list. The damage to the country brought on by the reign of corruption and incompetence by the ignorant fool known as President Shithole and his enablers is extensive and can not be reversed over night. Naturally, efforts at repair will be fought be the remnants of the cult of Trumpery. The Following's blind devotion to the fact free construct Don and right wing media has created will not be easy to extinguish since the media cohort spewing lies and distortions of the truth will remain even after the Orange Fraud is gone off the stage. But they must be marginalized. Reduced to the whining bar stool cranks and bigots that they are. Hopefully, the GOP will make a comeback as the principled conservatives they once were. Before the rise of extremism, fueled by Faux and right wing talk radio, radicalized the party in to an angry mob intolerant of anyone not like them.

Interesting thoughts here. So you are for Massive increases in taxes for 2021, as well as destruction of America's Fossil Fuel industry for the putative purpose of fighting against the Climate. Will Sleepy Joe admit this is debates, like Walter Mondale did?

My prince, I didn't see a call for "massive" tax increases, or for destruction of the fossil fuel industry, although that is being done by private industries and utilities even as we post.
As for berg80's post, it is so cogent It makes me ashamed of my pitiful mewlings. Kudo's to berg! Please keep it up!