If Rush or Sean Would Have Said This......

[maineman]

Oh...make no mistake about it.... I am definitely not warm and fuzzy....any more than you are intelligent.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

What do expect from him? His is your typical, run of the mill, arrogrant liberal

To bad, he does have a wife and he probably passed his stupidity on to another generation

Well, in all honesty, I have to say, I mostly dont like liberals. Its hard to have a friend who is so diametrically opposed to what you believe in. Its almost impossible to keep politics out of conversations for any length of time.....

BUT.......what this coward did had nothing to do with his politics or liberalism. Just as many conservatives are capable of the cowardly vile this little boy displayed. When cowards like this make such a display, as I have seen it quite a few times, both libs and conservatives who have any character at all, will jump them. Its simply a line you dont cross. If someone cant contain themselves at that point, they are pretty pathetic and should be institutionalized. Ultimately, they are the real losers, cant have relations with women and wont have sucess in raising kids.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

so let me get this straight: when YOU are - quote - slanderously disrespectful - unquote -to ME, that is perfectly acceptable, and totally honorable behavior, but when I poke fun at you by suggesting that a lovely woman like your wife would never have gone for a loser like you without other incentives,.

Oh, BUT I THOUGHT YOU NEVER CALLED HER A WHORE?????
HAHAHHAHAHHA, YOU FUCKING LOSER, YOU CANT EVEN LIE VERY GOOD.
News flash, I was trying to help you idiot. It bothers me none what your opinion is of me, what I was explaining to you is the fact that internet etiquette universally says, hands off insulting a guys wife and kids and that YOU ultimately will be the loser in this. ANYWHERE I have posted, guys like you simply lose ALL credibility and even their previous buddies abandon and attack them.

I am a horrible heinous person. Have I got that right? .

Absolutley perfectly correct !!!!

You can impugn my character and besmirch my service and call me a traitor all day long and that is totally OK...but when I suggest that I could not imagine a fucking loser like you getting a nice girl to marry you, I am totally off base?.


eat shit. I'll apologize the day you do..

Do you think I asked you to apologize? Not reallly, I suggested it basically, and then predicted YOU NEVER WOULD. I just wanted to expose you, you played right into my hands. You fell for it hook line and sinker. You should read the PM's Im getting about you. They even make me proud of some the the most liberal of liberals on this board when they support me on this and viscously attack you in the PM's. Oh, what happened to T bor? hahahahha, idiots ,the two of you.

Oh..and I am married to a lovely woman and have three delightful children - 32, 20, 18 - all very smart, and successful and all who love their dad.

blah, blah, blah, a man who has to brag is a LIAR.

 

[Rosotar]

Oh, BUT I THOUGHT YOU NEVER CALLED HER A WHORE?????
HAHAHHAHAHHA, YOU FUCKING LOSER, YOU CANT EVEN LIE VERY GOOD.
News flash, I was trying to help you idiot. It bothers me none what your opinion is of me, what I was explaining to you is the fact that internet etiquette universally says, hands off insulting a guys wife and kids and that YOU ultimately will be the loser in this. ANYWHERE I have posted, guys like you simply lose ALL credibility and even their previous buddies abandon and attack them.



Absolutley perfectly correct !!!!


Do you think I asked you to apologize? Not reallly, I suggested it basically, and then predicted YOU NEVER WOULD. I just wanted to expose you, you played right into my hands. You fell for it hook line and sinker. You should read the PM's Im getting about you. They even make me proud of some the the most liberal of liberals on this board when they support me on this and viscously attack you in the PM's. Oh, what happened to T bor? hahahahha, idiots ,the two of you.




blah, blah, blah, a man who has to brag is a LIAR.

Hey LuvRPgrl.....

That's a beautiful little baby you're holding in your avatar.

I'm thinking in about twenty years she'll be ready to join this generational "war on terror" that your president has started.

I hope she doesn't get her head ripped off or her guts blown out in front of her by some explosive device that hasn't even been invented yet.

But thanks to you and your support of this failed policy it is more likely than not to happen.

I hope you feel good about yourself!

How do you sleep at night?

 

[red states rule]

Well, in all honesty, I have to say, I mostly dont like liberals. Its hard to have a friend who is so diametrically opposed to what you believe in. Its almost impossible to keep politics out of conversations for any length of time.....

BUT.......what this coward did had nothing to do with his politics or liberalism. Just as many conservatives are capable of the cowardly vile this little boy displayed. When cowards like this make such a display, as I have seen it quite a few times, both libs and conservatives who have any character at all, will jump them. Its simply a line you dont cross. If someone cant contain themselves at that point, they are pretty pathetic and should be institutionalized. Ultimately, they are the real losers, cant have relations with women and wont have sucess in raising kids.

MM's personal atacks are par for the course when you try to debate a liberal

A co worker is a liberal and we sit a few feet away from each other. I consider him a friend but his hate for Pres Bush is huge.

Much like other libs, it seems the only threat to America to him is Pres Bush

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Hey LuvRPgrl.....

That's a beautiful little baby you're holding in your avatar.

I'm thinking in about twenty years she'll be ready to join this generational "war on terror" that your president has started.

I hope she doesn't get her head ripped off or her guts blown out in front of her by some explosive device that hasn't even been invented yet.

But thanks to you and your support of this failed policy it is more likely than not to happen.

I hope you feel good about yourself!

How do you sleep at night?

Last time I checked, the first attack on the twin towers occured BEFORE Bush was President, and OBL was already designated as a terrorist enemy of the USA.

I was in the Philippines BEFORE Bush was president, and yes, I stood on a blood stained concrete slab courtesy of the terrorists.

What I, my wife or any of my six kids wont do is be apathetic about it. I told my wife when we fly, if I see someone suspcious looking, I want to sit right next to them.

 

[red states rule]

US targets were hit five times under Clinton

Nothing was done

Period

 

[maineman]

Last time I checked, the first attack on the twin towers occured BEFORE Bush was President, and OBL was already designated as a terrorist enemy of the USA.

I was in the Philippines BEFORE Bush was president, and yes, I stood on a blood stained concrete slab courtesy of the terrorists.

What I, my wife or any of my six kids wont do is be apathetic about it. I told my wife when we fly, if I see someone suspcious looking, I want to sit right next to them.

no...OBL was not designated a terrorist enemy of the USA prior to the first WTC attacks...in fact, we did not know enough about him to be able to take him into custody when he was supposedly offered up by the Sudan in the spring of '96. Get your facts straight.... not that facts mean a fucking thing to an LBFM rider like you.

 

[Annie]

no...OBL was not designated a terrorist enemy of the USA prior to the first WTC attacks...in fact, we did not know enough about him to be able to take him into custody when he was supposedly offered up by the Sudan in the spring of '96. Get your facts straight.... not that facts mean a fucking thing to an LBFM rider like you.

I don't agree, this BBC timeline seems to show differently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/3618762.stm

 

[maineman]

bullshit...I just read that link...there is NOTHING that indicates that America had ANYTHING on OBL prior to him departing the Sudan for Afghanistan

 

[Annie]

bullshit...I just read that link...there is NOTHING that indicates that America had ANYTHING on OBL prior to him departing the Sudan for Afghanistan

We disagree in our readings though I wouldn't yet cry out, bullshit to you, why don't you try this one:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/people/shows/binladen/timeline.html

 

[maineman]

"timelines" written from a historical perspective don't always make it clear WHEN we knew the things we NOW know.

It is easy now to say what OBL was involved with, but, trust me....we did not know very much at all about him and had not connected any of the dots the "timelines" portray prior to his departure from the Sudan in May of '96.

We began to get a lot of intelligence later that summer and fall that made it clear that he was a bad guy, but we really didn't have that information at the time when he was still in the Sudan.

 

[Annie]

"timelines" written from a historical perspective don't always make it clear WHEN we knew the things we NOW know.

It is easy now to say what OBL was involved with, but, trust me....we did not know very much at all about him and had not connected any of the dots the "timelines" portray prior to his departure from the Sudan in May of '96.

We began to get a lot of intelligence later that summer and fall that made it clear that he was a bad guy, but we really didn't have that information at the time when he was still in the Sudan.

Granted, you or I should not have. Though I will say by 1999, I had. I think the CIA, DOD, and White House should have, much soon than myself-by years, not months. I'm smart, but not that smart.

 

[maineman]

Granted, you or I should not have. Though I will say by 1999, I had. I think the CIA, DOD, and White House should have, much soon than myself-by years, not months. I'm smart, but not that smart.

and they did..

MY point - with which you initially disagreed - was:

OBL was not designated a terrorist enemy of the USA prior to the first WTC attacks...in fact, we did not know enough about him to be able to take him into custody when he was supposedly offered up by the Sudan in the spring of '96.

I stand by that.

 

[Annie]

and they did..

MY point - with which you initially disagreed - was:

OBL was not designated a terrorist enemy of the USA prior to the first WTC attacks...in fact, we did not know enough about him to be able to take him into custody when he was supposedly offered up by the Sudan in the spring of '96.

I stand by that.

Again, I disagree. I'm not alone. Originally appeared in LA Times:

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/568

"CLINTON LET BIN LADEN SLIP AWAY AND METASTASIZE" BY MANSOOR IJAZ
by Mansoor Ijaz
LOS ANGELES TIMES
December 5, 2001

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
* Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks.

Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.

The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.

But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.

Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not. Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national security threat.

And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials.

The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.

 

[maineman]

Mansoor Ijaz?????? LMFAO

that author has been roundly and thoroughly discredited. (not that you care)

but try again.

 

[Annie]

Mansoor Ijaz?????? LMFAO

that author has been roundly and thoroughly discredited. (not that you care)

but try again.

Please, share. (Why would you say I don't care?)

 

[LuvRPgrl]

no...OBL was not designated a terrorist enemy of the USA prior to the first WTC attacks...in fact, we did not know enough about him to be able to take him into custody when he was supposedly offered up by the Sudan in the spring of '96. Get your facts straight.... not that facts mean a fucking thing to an LBFM rider like you.

Before you go insulting someone, make sure you are comprehending what they are posting.

"Last time I checked, the first attack on the twin towers occured BEFORE Bush was President, and OBL was already designated as a terrorist enemy of the USA."

This means that OBL was designated a terrorist BEFORE BUSH was president.
Still waiting for your apology you chicken shitted coward.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

and they did..

MY point - with which you initially disagreed - was:

OBL was not designated a terrorist enemy of the USA prior to the first WTC attacks...in fact, we did not know enough about him to be able to take him into custody when he was supposedly offered up by the Sudan in the spring of '96.

I stand by that.

You are so fucking brain dead. From Wikpedia:

The September 11, 2001 attacks are attributed by most observers to al-Qaeda, acting in accord with the 1998 fatwa issued against the United States and its allies by bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and others.

 

[red states rule]

Before you go insulting someone, make sure you are comprehending what they are posting.

"Last time I checked, the first attack on the twin towers occured BEFORE Bush was President, and OBL was already designated as a terrorist enemy of the USA."

This means that OBL was designated a terrorist BEFORE BUSH was president.
Still waiting for your apology you chicken shitted coward.

and you will wait, and wait, and wait