If Christians are allowed to discriminate against gays ...

[Lysistrata]

Really, what is the source of all of these sexually insecure individuals trying to scapegoat LGBTs? What does it do for anyone? Does it help some "Christian" guy "get it up" when he otherwise can't?

 

[Pop23]

Fertility is not an issue when the two parties cannot mate.

Sorry, thought you would have known that.

Fertility has nothing to do with civil marriage. Sorry, thought you would have known that.

I never said it did, now did I. What I DID SAY is that you want a secular version of Marriage with the Religious and Traditional overtones. Unbelievable and Hypocritical.

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

 

[Pop23]

Really, what is the source of all of these sexually insecure individuals trying to scapegoat LGBTs? What does it do for anyone? Does it help some "Christian" guy "get it up" when he otherwise can't?

I know a dedicated woman who's entire life is spent tracking down and bringing child sex abusers and rapists to justice. Are you implying she gets turned on by it?

 

[Rustic]

Why force gay lifestyle on people that want nothing to do with it?

Because you and your ilk force your shit on gays all the time

Lol
I’m a libertarian, I do no such thing...

 

[Lysistrata]

Fertility has nothing to do with civil marriage. Sorry, thought you would have known that.

I never said it did, now did I. What I DID SAY is that you want a secular version of Marriage with the Religious and Traditional overtones. Unbelievable and Hypocritical.

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

 

[koshergrl]

Really, what is the source of all of these sexually insecure individuals trying to scapegoat LGBTs? What does it do for anyone? Does it help some "Christian" guy "get it up" when he otherwise can't?

I know a dedicated woman who's entire life is spent tracking down and bringing child sex abusers and rapists to justice. Are you implying she gets turned on by it?

People who support child trafficking absolutely hate the people who go after traffickers.

 

[koshergrl]

I never said it did, now did I. What I DID SAY is that you want a secular version of Marriage with the Religious and Traditional overtones. Unbelievable and Hypocritical.

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

 

[Pop23]

I never said it did, now did I. What I DID SAY is that you want a secular version of Marriage with the Religious and Traditional overtones. Unbelievable and Hypocritical.

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

LOL. if the above is what you believe, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT THE CAKE OR ANYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT IN YOUR WEDDING!

Folks, you just can't make this shit up!

 

[Lysistrata]

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

So you have no concept that female human beings might be entitled to make their own decisions. PP has NEVER traded women sexually, or their money, for any purpose. The "dead babies" thing is a result of your ignorance and incapacity to realize that these INDEPENDENT human beings have a right to determine their own futures. Prove in some firm way that PP "trades" anything. You just want prostitution, the sale of women, and the subjugation of women to continue. Filth.

 

[koshergrl]

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

LOL. if the above is what you believe, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT THE CAKE OR ANYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT IN YOUR WEDDING!

Folks, you just can't make this shit up!

Because they are jackbooted thugs. They have no purpose in life except to hurt people and crap on liberty. Most of them are tremendously, organically mentally ill.

 

[koshergrl]

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

So you have no concept that female human beings might be entitled to make their own decisions. PP has NEVER traded women sexually, or their money, for any purpose. The "dead babies" thing is a result of your ignorance and incapacity to realize that these INDEPENDENT human beings have a right to determine their own futures. Prove in some firm way that PP "trades" anything. You just want prostitution, the sale of women, and the subjugation of women to continue. Filth.

So you maintain that their victims *CHOOSE* to be exploited by PP, the porn industry and other abusers..and therefore must be *accommodated* by people who look the other way.

But when we criticize PP for exploiting women, we're *anti woman*.

See, like I said..you are organically brain damaged.

 

[Slyhunter]

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

The women who do porn are not powerless.

 

[koshergrl]

Marriage was a traditionally religious institution for centuries before Government got involved.

But you will praddle on.

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

The women who do porn are not powerless.

Right. That's what abusers tell themsevles.

 

[Cecilie1200]

As far as gay marriage, Individuals have the right of freedom of association without coercion. This is fundamental. Why do you want license? All that's doing is telling the government you aren't capable of running a houshold and managing a marriage/family without government oversight. People don't often think about the meaning of government license for what it actually is. They should.

You can't be serious with this. You don't know that there are tangible benefits to legal, government recognized marriage? I know, you going to say something like government should be out of the marriage issue. I'm not going there

The fact is that the same sex marriage issue was about equality with opposite sex partners, but you knew that, didn't you?

no it wasn't. it was about being able to get the same benefits that married couples got from the government. Sickness stuff, and IRS tax stuff. Yeah they should be able to get all of that, but it isn't marriage that should allow it. Marriage is between a man and a wife. PERIOD, and stop trying to change what exists. fking leftists, can't stand your sorry asses.

I still stand with Dr. Thomas Sowell on this subject, and say that marriage is not some goody box of gifts and bennies from the government, and anyone who thinks it is either is terminally stupid, or is REALLY not doing marriage correctly.

So you only got married in a church? You don't file joint taxes or get those insurance discounts? Not going to take his SS if he goes first?

Like I said, if you really think, "Gosh, married people have so many advantages over single people 'cause of joint income tax filing and Social Security survivor benefits", you're a moron, and/or you are seriously ignorant about what marriage ACTUALLY is and what it's for. I've been saying this pretty much from the beginning of homosexuals saying, "We have to have legal marital sanction so that we're getting in on the goodies!"

Dr. Sowell wrote this back in 2005, but leaving aside the dated current event references, the underlying principles are still correct:

Gay Marriage 'Rights' Are Nonsensical | Human Events

Marriage is not a right extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the rights they already have.

People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can divide up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other way they want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or subject to cancellation at any time.

Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it, whether or not my name is on the title. Whether that law is good, bad, or indifferent, it is a limitation of our freedom to arrange such things as we ourselves might choose. This is just one of many decisions that marriage laws take out of our hands.

He wrote this in 2006:

Thomas Sowell - Gay "marriage"

Why is marriage considered to be any of the law's business in the first place? Because the state asserts an interest in the outcomes of certain unions, separate from and independent of the interests of the parties themselves.

In the absence of the institution of marriage, the individuals could arrange their relationship whatever way they wanted to, making it temporary or permanent, and sharing their worldly belongings in whatever way they chose.

Marriage means that the government steps in, limiting or even prescribing various aspects of their relations with each other -- and still more their relationship with whatever children may result from their union.

In other words, marriage imposes legal restrictions, taking away rights that individuals might otherwise have. Yet "gay marriage" advocates depict marriage as an expansion of rights to which they are entitled.

This is the standpoint with which I was agreeing earlier: from a legal standpoint, marriage is not an expansion of rights, a smorgasbord of extra goodies to which only married people are entitled; it is a restriction, legally speaking, and all those "benefits" people keep yammering on about are really just a legal recognition of that.

 

[buttercup]

...these INDEPENDENT human beings have a right to determine their own futures.

I am glad you agree with the pro life side! That is exactly what we are saying about the innocent victim.

The "dead babies" thing....

I hate to break it to you, but abortion does result in a dead baby. You can deny it all you want, or sugarcoat it by calling the baby a fetus, but the reality doesn't change.

 

[Lysistrata]

No, it has always been a civil institution. How do you get a hundreds of years-old history of arranged marriages to consolidate alliances between countries and tribes; marriages between people who never have been in the same room together before, and call it "religious" when it was recorded, sometimes formed by governments, and then the "happy couple" were afforded special privileges by the relevant government? How did kings beget "legitimate" heirs to their thrones and also bastards; "legitimate" heirs by "marrying" people whom they never met before and "bastards" by people whom they personally selected to bed and impregnate? Was Henry VIII "in love" with the Spanish Infanta when he married her and wished to share his life with her under the guidance of God? Had he even met her before?

There was absolutely nothing involving religion of any sort in the operation of this system. Go get yourself some history.

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

So you have no concept that female human beings might be entitled to make their own decisions. PP has NEVER traded women sexually, or their money, for any purpose. The "dead babies" thing is a result of your ignorance and incapacity to realize that these INDEPENDENT human beings have a right to determine their own futures. Prove in some firm way that PP "trades" anything. You just want prostitution, the sale of women, and the subjugation of women to continue. Filth.

So you maintain that their victims *CHOOSE* to be exploited by PP, the porn industry and other abusers..and therefore must be *accommodated* by people who look the other way.

But when we criticize PP for exploiting women, we're *anti woman*.

See, like I said..you are organically brain damaged.

Provide any, any evidence that PP "exploits" women or somehow turns women and girls into prostitution or the porn industry. The folks who CHOOSE to walk through PP doors do so voluntarily. I personally benefited from this organization's services, as did just about everyone in my dorm at a college run by the Roman Catholic church. PP's services allowed all of these students to make decisions for themselves. In our four years, lots of female and male GRADUATED.

Remember that one has to make the decision to call PP and set up an appointment. No one from PP contacts anybody. Do you have any idea of what a person's capacity for individual decision-making is about?

You masquerade as a female, but I sincerely doubt that you are one. Otherwise you would respect a female person's ability to make up her own mind.

 

[koshergrl]

Lets see, Christian Marriage goes back to Biblical times:

“…Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4ff

Sorry dude

You actually believe this garbage after millennia of the flesh of powerless women being traded around for money and political purposes? Arranged marriage? A father selling his daughter's vagina and uterus for a financial or political benefit; a brother doing the same with his sister's body? How obscene. What a farce. Woman-flesh has been traded throughout history. It still goes on. Look at the phony "Christians" with their female "purity," keeping their daughters ignorant and under wraps, so the fathers can trade their flesh for the highest price to some slime whose only aim is to be "the first" to break their hymen. The whole system has always been a slave trade.

You mean like Planned Parenthood trades women, their money, and their dead babies for money and political purposes? You mean like the porn industry (proudly protected by queers everywhere) exploits powerless women for money and political purposes?

Last I checked, the people on our side object to that stuff, and people on your side endorse it.

So you have no concept that female human beings might be entitled to make their own decisions. PP has NEVER traded women sexually, or their money, for any purpose. The "dead babies" thing is a result of your ignorance and incapacity to realize that these INDEPENDENT human beings have a right to determine their own futures. Prove in some firm way that PP "trades" anything. You just want prostitution, the sale of women, and the subjugation of women to continue. Filth.

So you maintain that their victims *CHOOSE* to be exploited by PP, the porn industry and other abusers..and therefore must be *accommodated* by people who look the other way.

But when we criticize PP for exploiting women, we're *anti woman*.

See, like I said..you are organically brain damaged.

Provide any, any evidence that PP "exploits" women or somehow turns women and girls into prostitution or the porn industry. The folks who CHOOSE to walk through PP doors do so voluntarily. I personally benefited from this organization's services, as did just about everyone in my dorm at a college run by the Roman Catholic church. PP's services allowed all of these students to make decisions for themselves. In our four years, lots of female and male GRADUATED.

Remember that one has to make the decision to call PP and set up an appointment. No one from PP contacts anybody. Do you have any idea of what a person's capacity for individual decision-making is abouta/

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[Cecilie1200]

it says bride. bride equals woman. so out of the gay couple which one is the woman? oh wait, there isn't one. so your tradition post you just nicely posted up is worse than the baker's rights.,

Both are. My wife and I were both brides. I'm sorry this is so difficult for you. Do you hurt yourself with plastic spoons?

Fertility is not an issue when the two parties cannot mate.

Sorry, thought you would have known that.

Fertility has nothing to do with civil marriage. Sorry, thought you would have known that.

I never said it did, now did I. What I DID SAY is that you want a secular version of Marriage with the Religious and Traditional overtones. Unbelievable and Hypocritical.

Says who? Everyone, religious and secular, pretty much observes the same wedding traditions. That’s why they are traditions. They aren’t Christian for shit sake, they’re pagan.

I hate to break into your ranting about the history of wedding cakes, but I feel the need to point out that it really doesn't matter WHERE the tradition came from.

If someone doesn't want to be involved in your wedding plans, there is no argument or rationale that's going to make it any less of a dick move to try to force them to. Just go find someone who DOES want to associate with you, and get on with your damned life.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There's no such thing as "my truth" or "your truth". Truth and fact just are. That's kinda the definition. God exists, or He does not, and neither my belief or your disbelief will alter it one way or the other.

Look at it this way: the existence of Pluto (the planet, not the Disney dog) was completely unknown for a long time, and then it was suspected and posited and theorized long before any definitive proof existed. And there were a lot of people who disagreed and didn't believe there really was anything there, back when it was first suggested. Did that disbelief change the fact that Pluto existed? Did those disbelievers have "their truth" on the subject, and the theorizers "their own truth"?

You need to learn to communicate more precisely, so that you don't whip out sloppy phrases like "does not exist for me" and start thinking that's anything literal. What you're actually trying to say is, "I don't wish to believe it exists, therefore I will adamantly refuse to even contemplate the possibility that I'm wrong". Or, for short, "I disbelieve", but you must understand that your belief is not a "truth" of any sort, in and of itself.

Thank you. I think it's a shame that some here are either unwilling or unable to think this through. Out of one side of their mouth they claim that they are right and others are wrong, while out of the other side they deny that truth is objective. And they don't even see the blatant contradiction there. It's kind of funny, actually… but sad at the same time.

Leftists used to be funny to me . . . but after years of the exact same ignorant, hysterical, self-contradicting crap, they just make me tired now.

 

[koshergrl]

There's no such thing as "my truth" or "your truth". Truth and fact just are. That's kinda the definition. God exists, or He does not, and neither my belief or your disbelief will alter it one way or the other.

Look at it this way: the existence of Pluto (the planet, not the Disney dog) was completely unknown for a long time, and then it was suspected and posited and theorized long before any definitive proof existed. And there were a lot of people who disagreed and didn't believe there really was anything there, back when it was first suggested. Did that disbelief change the fact that Pluto existed? Did those disbelievers have "their truth" on the subject, and the theorizers "their own truth"?

You need to learn to communicate more precisely, so that you don't whip out sloppy phrases like "does not exist for me" and start thinking that's anything literal. What you're actually trying to say is, "I don't wish to believe it exists, therefore I will adamantly refuse to even contemplate the possibility that I'm wrong". Or, for short, "I disbelieve", but you must understand that your belief is not a "truth" of any sort, in and of itself.

Thank you. I think it's a shame that some here are either unwilling or unable to think this through. Out of one side of their mouth they claim that they are right and others are wrong, while out of the other side they deny that truth is objective. And they don't even see the blatant contradiction there. It's kind of funny, actually… but sad at the same time.

Leftists used to be funny to me . . . but after years of the exact same ignorant, hysterical, self-contradicting crap, they just make me tired now.

They're evil and dangerous. And they target children. I'm furious that our parents weren't paying closer attention during the 70s.