If Biden's economy is so great...why can't folks pay off their student loans???

[jotathought]

No that's all complete Republican/Fox News bullshit. Get a life.

Don't come at me with that right wing start and then ask me a question like you're controlling the conversation.

You asked me this?

What's the opposite of income inequality and what does it mean?

You tell me. What's your answer and then I'll respond. I want to see where you are going with it.

sorry .. Illegal immigration remains at all time highs, the United States continues to provide the most financial aid to Ukraine, Biden has continuously attacked fossil fuel, oil companies and increased investments in "climate change [Inflation Reduction Act]" no Fox News .. just reality.

Regardless .. the opposite of income inequality are equitable outcomes: everyone makes the same or nearly the same, and this is done by penalizing those who are successful and rewarding low income individuals ... including:

• More progressive income tax [which impacts middle and upper class wage earners]
• Executive pay to worker pay ratios
• Abolition of tax deductions such as mortgage interest
• Increase Earned Income Credit - free money to low wage earners
• Universal Basic Income -
• Increased wages for unskilled workers
• Taxes .. taxes .. taxes on middle, upper-middle and upper class [financial transactions, taxes on unrealized gains, increased capital gains, etc]
• Estate tax increases

 

[sealybobo]

I dont mind punishing employers who KNOWINGLY hire illegals

But false ID’s are easy to get and immigration is a federal responsibility

Dont demand that private businessman do the lazy pinhead’s in washington’s job for them

Seal the border with Trump’s wall, electronic surveillance, and quick reaction patrols

And there is the H1b program that allows major company's such as Disney to import legal scabs to displace American workers

But then you will lose your shit if government starts going after those employers. And you've already laid out their defense. They didin't know.

Yes they did. And if they are unsure I would give them 1 month to turn in names if they aren't sure. We will look into any they aren't sure about. I think you know, they know.

A wall is a joke. Not even going to go into all the reasons why. Stop it. Just stop. Never gonna happen. When's the wall between Detroit and Windsor going to be built?

And we should not end H1B. Especially now when we have a worker shortage. But a program such as this shouldn't be abused. And when the jobs market is fixed, stop giving them out.

The H-1B program allows companies and other employers in the United States to temporarily employ foreign workers in occupations that require the theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge and a bachelor's degree or higher in the specific specialty, or its equivalent.

This was a problem that I would have agreed with you in 2006. It's really not a top priority issue in 2023. Do you know this is the best time ever to increase your pay? But you have to leave the comfort of your current company. You have to go out and interview. The Great Resignation. Ever hear of it? What do you do? Stop complaining about H1B visas dude.

But yes, if companies are abusing this program let's go after them. Put them in the category of "illegal employers"

Here is what we've been saying about this issue since 2006

Thom Hartmann: 'It's an Illegal Employer Problem'

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase 'Illegal Immigration' they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an 'Illegal Immigration' problem in America. We have an 'Illegal ...

www.scoop.co.nz

 

[jotathought]

Ah, okay idiot. I think I see where you are going with this. No I'm not talking about socialism or everyone making the same amount. OMG. You must be a pro free market unregulated capitalism kind of guy. It's never a good idea. The middle class disappears. The middle class wasn't invented by free market unregulated capitalism. It was created by government and unions. Labor laws, and labor had a seat at the table. The difference in pay between the average worker and ceo was 35%. Today it's 350%. Why? Because you don't have a seat at the table and because of unregulated capitalism.

America should have never let the Big 3 go overseas. But we did. Bad decision. The middle class shrinked big time. Suddenly the gap widened.

Why is it evil to make lots of money? Democrats loathe the wealth of others and only seek the successful "pay their fair share" with the end goal of driving to equitable outcomes. Why are the politicians pushing this agenda always wealthy, rich and making exponentially more than an average American?

 

[sealybobo]

sorry .. Illegal immigration remains at all time highs, the United States continues to provide the most financial aid to Ukraine, Biden has continuously attacked fossil fuel, oil companies and increased investments in "climate change [Inflation Reduction Act]" no Fox News .. just reality.

Regardless .. the opposite of income inequality are equitable outcomes: everyone makes the same or nearly the same, and this is done by penalizing those who are successful and rewarding low income individuals ... including:

• More progressive income tax [which impacts middle and upper class wage earners]
• Executive pay to worker pay ratios
• Abolition of tax deductions such as mortgage interest
• Increase Earned Income Credit - free money to low wage earners
• Universal Basic Income -
• Increased wages for unskilled workers
• Taxes .. taxes .. taxes on middle, upper-middle and upper class [financial transactions, taxes on unrealized gains, increased capital gains, etc]
• Estate tax increases

My brother is a VP. He explained to me how the BOD of any company are made up of CEO's of other companies. Or it's my brother's job to decide how much the guys above him get in raises. And he wants a big raise too so he approves of their big raises and they approve his.

Back when unions had a seat at the table, they would have insisted labor got a share. Labor no longer has a seat at the table.

So government has to step in. Raise taxes on the rich? Insist Corporations pay their fair share in taxes? All of these things Republicans fight. Insist job posts list what the salary is. That's another policy that would shrink the gap. Oh but you'll cry that's socialism or communism where everyone makes the same. Not true. You can always negotiate up. But what employers can no longer do is negotiate down with blacks and women. Then they won't be paid 75 cents to every dollar we make. And that's a good thing for the middle class.

Biden has a lot of good ideas to help the middle class. But it's hard getting those things by Republicans.

 

[sealybobo]

Why is it evil to make lots of money? Democrats loathe the wealth of others and only seek the successful "pay their fair share" with the end goal of driving to equitable outcomes. Why are the politicians pushing this agenda always wealthy, rich and making exponentially more than an average American?

Why is it evil to strike or organize into unions to get your company to pay you a better wage? Especially when you see how much the guys at the top value themselves.

Class warfare exists. Always has always will. Do you not want us to fight back? We've bent over and taken it since Reagan. Enough!

The richest companies did the most outsourcing. You guys loved it when Trump said tariff them. But if we suggested it you'd lose your shit.

But remember this. In Ohio, blue collar workers want to make at least $25 hr plus healthcare. Are your corporations willing to pay that?

 

[jotathought]

My brother is a VP. He explained to me how the BOD of any company are made up of CEO's of other companies. Or it's my brother's job to decide how much the guys above him get in raises. And he wants a big raise too so he approves of their big raises and they approve his.

Back when unions had a seat at the table, they would have insisted labor got a share. Labor no longer has a seat at the table.

So government has to step in. Raise taxes on the rich? Insist Corporations pay their fair share in taxes? All of these things Republicans fight. Insist job posts list what the salary is. That's another policy that would shrink the gap. Oh but you'll cry that's socialism or communism where everyone makes the same. Not true. You can always negotiate up. But what employers can no longer do is negotiate down with blacks and women. Then they won't be paid 75 cents to every dollar we make. And that's a good thing for the middle class.

Biden has a lot of good ideas to help the middle class. But it's hard getting those things by Republicans.

What good ideas does Biden have for the middle class? What is a fair share? Why doesn't the fair share apply to everyone? Why are you repeating a fallacy on women being paid less?

 

[BluesLegend]

$33,000 more a year? Then they can pay off their damn student loans.

Imagine if we let people deduct student loan payments from their state and federal taxes. Dems would squeal like stuck pigs.

 

[Mac-7]

But then you will lose your shit if government starts going after those employers. And you've already laid out their defense. They didin't know.

As the guy on Star Trek used to say, “I’m a businessman, not an INS agent”

If they present false IDs that lets the employer off the hook

Which may not satisfy your hate towards employers

but its the best reason to stop these people at the border

 

[sealybobo]

Watched him on ABC this evening. The one real question was if he felt he was as irresponsible as Trump. It was comical watching the vegetable twist in the wind. It was worth watching the rest of that useless interview trying to resell the domino theory just to see Biden--His body language couldn't have been any closer to assuming a fetal position. LMAO

Imagine these young people aren't having children because they are too deep in the hole. It will be come a problem. You guys like to say the debt's going to be a problem some day but we have a population implosion. Not enough workers paying into the system. Not enough of these $75Krs having kids. You want them to have kids? You have to help them out of the hole. This policy helps people who make under $150K only. That's pretty cool.

I didn't like it at first and yes it's easy to criticize them and demonize them. That's what republicans do. Back in the 2000's it was union workers. It's always our fault. Today it's just stupid 30 somethings who took out too much student loan to try to get ahead. They should have done it like we did. Only when we did it, it was only $5K a year. Yes student loans contributed to the increase in how much college costs. Shame on all of them. That's ******* bullshit and needs to stop.

 

[sealybobo]

As the guy on Star Trek used to say, “I’m a businessman, not an INS agent”

If they present false IDs that lets the employer off the hook

Which may not satisfy your hate towards employers

but its the best reason to stop these people at the border

Unacceptable. Then it's being ignored.

And I love pointing this out. We told you this in 2006. God bless the internet

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

That means Bush was the one to stop going after illegal employers.

Gave the companies you defend the green light to hire illegals. You're part of the problem. Stop defending them.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.

www.thomhartmann.com

Our position hasn't changed in all these years. Yours has though. Depending on who's in the White House.

 

[Mac-7]

Unacceptable. Then it's being ignored.

And I love pointing this out. We told you this in 2006. God bless the internet

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

That means Bush was the one to stop going after illegal employers.

Gave the companies you defend the green light to hire illegals. You're part of the problem. Stop defending them.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.

www.thomhartmann.com

Our position hasn't changed in all these years. Yours has though. Depending on who's in the White House.

You can increase worksite inspections with my full support

But anyone caught working in America illegally must be detained until they are deported

And that goes for their family also

But knowing libs they will catch and release

 

[Independent thinker]

I'm reading this article about the Supreme Court deciding on Biden's loan forgiveness overreach.

The article paints a pretty bleak picture of the economy...yet all the liberals on here keep saying the economy is like the best ever, never been better.

If the economy is the best ever...why do people who took out loans to get the education to land great jobs in the great economy need loan forgiveness?

If the economy sucks...why are Biden, his administration, the media and the libs lying through their collective teeth about it?

You can't have it both ways.

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What Would Happen If the Supreme Court Blocks Student Loan Forgiveness?

If the Supreme Court strikes down student loan forgiveness, borrowers would have to repay debts while facing more financial pressures than before the pandemic.

www.investopedia.com

Probably because these people can't even afford groceries and rent.

 

[sealybobo]

You can increase worksite inspections with my full support

But anyone caught working in America illegally must be detained until they are deported

And that goes for their family also

But knowing libs they will catch and release

Sure. Let them pay to go home. And they will go home if no one's hiring. Or they'll apply for citizenship. If they were good citizens we should rubber stamp them YES and make them american citizens. We need them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How? The same way raising unemployment raises prices. Give everyone more money and prices go up. Duh.

Unemployment doesn't raise prices. Neither do tax breaks.

Give everyone more money and prices go up.

Tax breaks give everyone more money? Are you sure? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Imagine these young people aren't having children because they are too deep in the hole. It will be come a problem. You guys like to say the debt's going to be a problem some day but we have a population implosion. Not enough workers paying into the system. Not enough of these $75Krs having kids. You want them to have kids? You have to help them out of the hole. This policy helps people who make under $150K only. That's pretty cool.

I didn't like it at first and yes it's easy to criticize them and demonize them. That's what republicans do. Back in the 2000's it was union workers. It's always our fault. Today it's just stupid 30 somethings who took out too much student loan to try to get ahead. They should have done it like we did. Only when we did it, it was only $5K a year. Yes student loans contributed to the increase in how much college costs. Shame on all of them. That's ******* bullshit and needs to stop.

This policy helps people who make under $150K only. That's pretty cool.

You want the $50K worker with a high school diploma to subsidize the college loan
of a guy who makes $120K? The college graduate who is going to make over $1,000,000 more
over his career?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Unacceptable. Then it's being ignored.

And I love pointing this out. We told you this in 2006. God bless the internet

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

That means Bush was the one to stop going after illegal employers.

Gave the companies you defend the green light to hire illegals. You're part of the problem. Stop defending them.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.

www.thomhartmann.com

Our position hasn't changed in all these years. Yours has though. Depending on who's in the White House.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

If Biden wants to do this while he's sealing the border, he'll have my 100% support.

Maybe he can stop flying illegal aliens all over the country instead of deporting them?
What do you say, deal?

 

[Mac-7]

Sure. Let them pay to go home. And they will go home if no one's hiring. Or they'll apply for citizenship. If they were good citizens we should rubber stamp them YES and make them american citizens. We need them.

Not citizenship

If not as bad as murderers or drug dealers, they are still criminals breaking our immigration laws

I recommend deporting them.

But for libs whose heart bleeds a different way, if some are allowed to stay let them have green cards but a lifetime ban on citizenship

Because they dont deserve it

 

[sealybobo]

This policy helps people who make under $150K only. That's pretty cool.

You want the $50K worker with a high school diploma to subsidize the college loan
of a guy who makes $120K? The college graduate who is going to make over $1,000,000 more
over his career?

If he didn't go to school and went straight to work, a lot of you claim he's the smartest. Saved all his money and immediately started making money. I knew guys like that. Daddy got them the job.

You're not worried about people who only make $50K you're worried for people who make much much more than that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If he didn't go to school and went straight to work, a lot of you claim he's the smartest. Saved all his money and immediately started making money. I knew guys like that. Daddy got them the job.

You're not worried about people who only make $50K you're worried for people who make much much more than that.

I'm worried about the deadbeats not paying back their loans.

Remember when Obama took over student loans and Senator Warren was
whining that the government was making huge profits on the loans and that
it was unfair? Now she and the rest of the Demtwits want the program to lose
trillions. ******* useless democrats.

 

[Indeependent]

I'm worried about the deadbeats not paying back their loans.

Remember when Obama took over student loans and Senator Warren was
whining that the government was making huge profits on the loans and that
it was unfair? Now she and the rest of the Demtwits want the program to lose
trillions. ******* useless democrats.

The real issue is the idiots who vote for Warren.