If Biden loses, will it be the econony or broken borders?

[San Souci]

Yeah, well, science disagrees with you. You're free not to believe in gravity or a heliocentric solar system or that the earth is a sphere, too. To each their own.



Let's flip this around: since the more advanced and wealthier countries aren't changing their ways and aren't going to stop consumption, why should other countries stop manufacturing goods and producing energy for us? We're all at fault, really. It's the economic system that is detached from environmental, scientific reality.



There's only two ways out of this predicament we've created for ourselves: radically reduce our demand for energy consumption on our own, or civilizations collapse. We either do it voluntarily or involuntarily. Frankly, I don't think we have it in us to do the former. No political leader - certainly no leader that depends on votes to remain in power - is going to run on a campaign of lowering our collective standard of living.

I pointed this out to another poster in the energy forum. Biden wants to be the green energy president, yet he's forced to push for record oil production because people freaked out over a 25-40% increase in the price of gas. As green as any leader wants to be, economic reality lurks behind them. I frankly don't think we're going to solve the climate crisis. It's going to solve us.

Well ,may we all pass in tranquility and peace. Do you suggest we all ride Bicycles ,stop traveling , use animal drawn plows to farm? No American ,no matter how Liberal ,is going to voluntarily lower their own living standard. Force their neighbors to lower THEIRS? Well ,that is another story.

 

[multivita-man]

Well ,may we all pass in tranquility and peace. Do you suggest we all ride Bicycles ,stop traveling , use animal drawn plows to farm? No American ,no matter how Liberal ,is going to voluntarily lower their own living standard. Force their neighbors to lower THEIRS? Well ,that is another story.

Like I said, I expect the latter outcome.