ICE arrests Palestinian activist who helped lead Columbia University protests, his lawyer says

[struth]

How exactly did he “openly support terrorism”?

Did he get a trial and due process for this illegal action?

By supporting a terrorist organization and openly supporting the destruction of the western world

He’s not charged with a crime, he’s not I’m entitled to a trial

He will have a deportation hearing but the law allows for the sec of state to strip someone of their green card or visas

You seem really uninformed of the law and what he’s done

 

[j-mac]

I read the response to which I replied and the OP. There is no obligation to anyone to do more than that. What is your issue with my comment?

The issue you think you have has already been addressed...I thought that was clear....

 

[otto105]

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Hilarious

 

[Rumpole]

By supporting a terrorist organization and openly supporting the destruction of the western world

He’s not charged with a crime, he’s not I’m entitled to a trial

He will have a deportation hearing but the law allows for the sec of state to strip someone of their green card or visas

You seem really uninformed of the law and what he’s done

A lawful permanent resident, holding a green card, cannot be deported simply for voicing pro-Hamas sentiments at a protest, so long as his expression remains within the realm of protected speech and does not cross into conduct deemed criminal or in violation of immigration law. The First Amendment, after all, does not apply only to the likable, the respectable, or the politically palatable; it extends even to those whose views are detested by the majority. However, the moment speech becomes something more--if he were to provide funding, shelter a combatant, or in any way offer material support to Hamas, which the United States classifies as a foreign terrorist organization, he would have stepped into the territory of deportable offenses.

The law is precise in its distinctions, and mere protest, however distasteful to some, does not meet the threshold. Only if his words incite violence in a legally actionable way, if he encourages specific acts of terrorism, or if he participates in a riot or criminal activity, could his residency be called into question. But absent those factors, his green card remains secure, his status unchanged, and his right to express even the most loathsome views remains intact, however much it may disturb the sensibilities of the state.

 

[Rumpole]

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Whether or not Trump is 'enforcing them' depends on the determination of facts, and, from what I can tell, those facts have yet to be determined.

A lawful permanent resident, holding a green card, cannot be deported simply for voicing pro-Hamas sentiments at a protest, so long as his expression remains within the realm of protected speech and does not cross into conduct deemed criminal or in violation of immigration law.

The First Amendment, after all, does not apply only to the likable, the respectable, or the politically palatable; it extends even to those whose views are detested by the majority. However, the moment speech becomes something more--if he were to provide funding, shelter a combatant, or in any way offer material support to Hamas, which the United States classifies as a foreign terrorist organization, he would have stepped into the territory of deportable offenses.

The law is precise in its distinctions, and mere protest, however distasteful to some, does not meet the threshold. Only if his words incite violence in a legally actionable way, if he encourages specific acts of terrorism, or if he participates in a riot or criminal activity, could his residency be called into question.

But absent those factors, his green card remains secure, his status unchanged, and his right to express even the most loathsome views remains intact, however much it may disturb the sensibilities of the state.

 

[Lisa558]

You call any criticism you don’t like “inciting violence”.

Have you SEEN what is happening to Jewish students? That is due to the hate being drummed up by the pro-HAMAS protestors.

WHY are you libs so fast to rush in and protect blacks, Muslims, gays, transgenders, etc., etc., against any perceived slight, yet are so tolerant of the anti-Jewish behavior being seen on lib campuses?

 

[Lisa558]

Hilarious

^^^ this is what a leftist says when he can’t refute the point.

 

[Marener]

Have you SEEN what is happening to Jewish students? That is due to the hate being drummed up by the pro-HAMAS protestors.

WHY are you libs so fast to rush in and protect blacks, Muslims, gays, transgenders, etc., etc., against any perceived slight, yet are so tolerant of the anti-Jewish behavior being seen on lib campuses?

Why do you want to outlaw speech that is critical of people you support?

 

[Rumpole]

The issue you think you have has already been addressed...I thought that was clear....

Did the guy incite violence? Did he offer MATERIAL support for HAMAS? Verbal support isn't sufficient to deport. I didn't see these issues resolved in the OP or the comment to which I responded. Perhaps I missed it, but if you disagree, cite the chapter or lines which lead you to that conclusion, and I will engage a response.

 

[irosie91]

Why do you want to outlaw speech that is critical of people you support?

right----why should the instigators of a lynch mob be
prosecuted. Immunity by MOB is an interesting social
construct----much employed, historically

 

[j-mac]

A lawful permanent resident, holding a green card, cannot be deported simply for voicing pro-Hamas sentiments at a protest, so long as his expression remains within the realm of protected speech and does not cross into conduct deemed criminal or in violation of immigration law. The First Amendment, after all, does not apply only to the likable, the respectable, or the politically palatable; it extends even to those whose views are detested by the majority. However, the moment speech becomes something more--if he were to provide funding, shelter a combatant, or in any way offer material support to Hamas, which the United States classifies as a foreign terrorist organization, he would have stepped into the territory of deportable offenses.

The law is precise in its distinctions, and mere protest, however distasteful to some, does not meet the threshold. Only if his words incite violence in a legally actionable way, if he encourages specific acts of terrorism, or if he participates in a riot or criminal activity, could his residency be called into question. But absent those factors, his green card remains secure, his status unchanged, and his right to express even the most loathsome views remains intact, however much it may disturb the sensibilities of the state.

In certain cases, the DHS can initiate deportation proceedings against green card holders for alleged criminal activity, which includes support of a terror group, according to the AP.

 

[Kondor3]

No surprise there. Seems like neither you nor Trump is a fan of the first amendment. This isn't straight out of a dictators 101 playbook at all, nope. Move along, nothing to see here.

Nope... it's just a matter of takin' out the (IslamoNazi) trash...

 

[Rumpole]

Have you SEEN what is happening to Jewish students? That is due to the hate being drummed up by the pro-HAMAS protestors.

WHY are you libs so fast to rush in and protect blacks, Muslims, gays, transgenders, etc., etc., against any perceived slight, yet are so tolerant of the anti-Jewish behavior being seen on lib campuses?

We're tolerant of free speech, but if you are so quick to Defend Trump, did you raise an eyebrow when he, at every rally, before the first vote was ever cast, say 'the only way dems can win is if they rig the election', and by the time jan 6 came, they erupted into a juggernaut of rage with 'stop the steal'. Trump incited that rage, and on that point, there there is no escape.

Did you not connect the dots between his many inculcations of hatred towards Democrats owing to his lies, and the attack on the capital?

I don't think you did, so if you can't do that, you'll have to do a lot more than insinuate that pro hamas guy incited attacks against Jews, you'll have apply the same standard that you used to defend Trump.

Otherwise, well, you don't want to be called a hypocrite, now do you?

 

[Marener]

right----why should the instigators of a lynch mob be
prosecuted. Immunity by MOB is an interesting social
construct----much employed, historically

Prosecuting someone for instigating is not easy, given our broad first amendment protections.

Courts have a pretty narrow definition.

 

[Rumpole]

In certain cases, the DHS can initiate deportation proceedings against green card holders for alleged criminal activity, which includes support of a terror group, according to the AP.

It's all about 'due process', if DHS passes the due process muster, fine, but we can't violate due process, getting habeas corpus right, etc., it is the cornerstone of a democracy.

 

[struth]

A lawful permanent resident, holding a green card, cannot be deported simply for voicing pro-Hamas sentiments at a protest, so long as his expression remains within the realm of protected speech and does not cross into conduct deemed criminal or in violation of immigration law. The First Amendment, after all, does not apply only to the likable, the respectable, or the politically palatable; it extends even to those whose views are detested by the majority. However, the moment speech becomes something more--if he were to provide funding, shelter a combatant, or in any way offer material support to Hamas, which the United States classifies as a foreign terrorist organization, he would have stepped into the territory of deportable offenses.

The law is precise in its distinctions, and mere protest, however distasteful to some, does not meet the threshold. Only if his words incite violence in a legally actionable way, if he encourages specific acts of terrorism, or if he participates in a riot or criminal activity, could his residency be called into question. But absent those factors, his green card remains secure, his status unchanged, and his right to express even the most loathsome views remains intact, however much it may disturb the sensibilities of the state.

You might want to read the law, the Sec of State has the authority to revoke a green card for someone that they reasonably believe pose serious threats to American foreign policy. Advocating for and supporting an organization designated a terrorist organization can do just that. He can’t be charged with a crime simply for advocating that support, but the law allows his privilege to be here, ie a green card, to be revoked

Try again

 

[otto105]

Have you SEEN what is happening to Jewish students? That is due to the hate being drummed up by the pro-HAMAS protestors.

WHY are you libs so fast to rush in and protect blacks, Muslims, gays, transgenders, etc., etc., against any perceived slight, yet are so tolerant of the anti-Jewish behavior being seen on lib campuses?

Because we believe in our history of free speech rights.

Shitler! and you fuckups are using this to further limit those protections. Are you aware that college is supposed to be an area of different ideas. Don’t you kuckups support far right speech on college campuses that has asserted that gay people caused the Holocaust.

 

[Tyrion234]

You call any criticism you don’t like “inciting violence”.

Is “Death to Jews” protected by the first amendment or can your tiny ******* brain comprehend this as inciting violence you ******* retarded ****

 

[j-mac]

It's all about 'due process', if DHS passes the due process muster, fine, but we can't violate due process, getting habeas corpus right, etc., it is the cornerstone of a democracy.

We’ll see…that may be Kabuki theatre…Remember, he’s not a citizen of this country, merely a green card holder. According to law State Dept can revoke that, and send him back.

 

[otto105]

You might want to read the law, the Sec of State has the authority to revoke a green card for someone that they reasonably believe pose serious threats to American foreign policy. Advocating for and supporting an organization designated a terrorist organization can do just that. He can’t be charged with a crime simply for advocating that support, but the law allows his privilege to be here, ie a green card, to be revoked

Try again

This administration has offered no such evidence. They’re just using it as a political propaganda.