Originally posted by frigidweirdo
Right? Is this about right?
Not really, this is about having Muslims who have, for a long time, seen winning as more important than improving their own lot.
Had the Muslims been doing what the Jews were doing, then they'd not be in the mess they're in. They're playing the victim, they stick millions outside of their country and do nothing for them as a way of playing politics.
So prove to us that Ahmed wasn't born in Askhelon, that the region of Palestine was not the historical homeland of his family, that they did not have property there.
If you are able to prove all these things I will agree with you the conflict is about power.
But if you can't prove any of the above... it is a clear-cut case of a group of people fighting for their natural right to live in their homeland.
I consider myself to be a logical person and as a logical person I understand that there is a certain amount of illogic in people's minds that you have to accept.
What is a natural right to live in their homeland?
The Earth is over 4 billion years old.
Homo sapiens have existed for about 200,000 years of that. (Maybe 300,000) Such a small, small percentage of the Earth's time. 0.005% of the time, give or take.
Humans have settled down only about 12,000 years ago. 0.0003% of the Earth's time.
Rights have only existed for 1,400 years or so in some sort of concept, but the view you're talking about is only about 200 or 300 years old. 0.0000075% of the time of the Earth.
So, you're talking rights to land when the reality is, in the view of the world, it's nothing. Hardly a scrap on existence.
So who has a right to land? The people who used to live on it?
Would Americans be willing to give up the US and move back to Europe so either Muslims "get their land back" or Jews "get their land back"? No, it's not going to happen. Americans will sit there and talk about how this one group has a right to the land when the logic they're using wouldn't give them any right to the land they're actually on.
The deal is that Jews lived in Palestine, Palestinians lived in Palestine, they probably have very similar DNA,
Jews Are The Genetic Brothers Of Palestinians, Syrians, And Lebanese
"Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years."
Jews, Palestinians have close genetic ties, say researchers - Beliefnet News
"As many as 90 percent of Palestinians in some areas have close genetic ties to Jews, according to researchers."
So you're dealing with something very similar. What separates Jews and Muslims is their religion.
However the politics that is going on in the region is nasty, it separates, distinguishes and ultimately it's bullshit.
Do the Muslim people want to make a good life for themselves or not? If they do, then they can work hard.
Israel has a GDP per capita of $36,250 according to the IMF
Israel's neighbors have GDPs of:
Lebanon $19,486
Jordan $12,487
Egypt $12,994
Syria $2,900 (if it even has a GDP any more)
Iraq $17,000
Iran $19,000
Why do they have GDPs much lower than Israel's? It's always been the case, they sit around waiting for things to happen, not making them happen, and they've carried on doing it since 1948, blaming others for their inability to get their fat ass out of the chair and actually do some ******* work.
