I thought I knew, but now I'm not sure.

[Orangecat]

Lousy authoritarian Republicans anyway......

Republicans weren’t the party of vaccine mandates. That was your side.

 

[pknopp]

Republicans weren’t the party of vaccine mandates. That was your side.

You are the Democrat.

 

[Billiejeens]

You are the Democrat.

Are you new here ?

 

[Billiejeens]

Republicans weren’t the party of vaccine mandates. That was your side.

He doesn't have a side.

He is a non- participant.

 

[Orangecat]

You are the Democrat.

You are delusional. Did you vote for Trump?

 

[Orangecat]

He doesn't have a side.

He is a non- participant.

I’ve dealt with his dumb ass enough to know he’s a lefty. Been a bit better lately, but I have a long memory.

 

[pknopp]

You are delusional. Did you vote for Trump?

I didn't vote for Biden like you.

 

[Orangecat]

I didn't vote for Biden like you.

Yawn. Go pester someone else with your gaslighting nonsense, kid.

 

[BackAgain]

MADA (Make America Diseased Again)

Stupid is..as stupid does.

Stupid is a you post.

 

[pknopp]

I’ve dealt with his dumb ass enough to know he’s a lefty. Been a bit better lately, but I have a long memory.

SInce I've been here.

I've fully supported the 2nd. (No matter the party violating it)

Been pro-life.

Supported a balanced budget.

Condemned every bill not paid for. (whichever party is in charge)

Supported the electoral college.

Supported leaving the Supreme Court at 9.

But yeah, I'm a lefty in your eyes because I won't spout hate towards people who might have something different about them from myself.

 

[pknopp]

Yawn. Go pester someone else with your gaslighting nonsense, kid.

You started it. I was just replying in kind.

 

[hadit]

Mortality rates from "cancer" have dropped drastically from what they once were. People aren't dying from cancer as they once were. But they do have long lasting consequences as a result of having it don't they?

I'm not suggesting foil helmets either.

I'm saying fully informed consent is what is needed. The risks of vaccination and the risks of the disease both need to be disclosed. But you don't want the long term effects of Covid-19 disclosed....because you want something other than informed consent. WHY?

All I'm asking for is your source for the 25%. Why is that so difficult for you to produce? Be honest, did you just make it up?

 

[JohnDB]

All I'm asking for is your source for the 25%. Why is that so difficult for you to produce? Be honest, did you just make it up?

Yep..
.I made it up. The truth is closer to 57%

 

[hadit]

Yep..
.I made it up. The truth is closer to 57%

So, post your source for that, if you can. This is your last chance. After this, if you fail to link to your source, it will be assumed that you are, indeed, just making up stuff that sounds good to you. I showed you how it's done.

 

[JohnDB]

So, post your source for that, if you can. This is your last chance. After this, if you fail to link to your source, it will be assumed that you are, indeed, just making up stuff that sounds good to you. I showed you how it's done.

I already did. Look in past posts to see the NIH study.

There are a LOT of variables....but generally speaking about 25% of those affected will have "long covid" or some sort of long lasting effects they will not recover from.

 

[hadit]

I already did. Look in past posts to see the NIH study.

There are 195 posts in this thread. I'm not going back through all of them looking for it. In which post did you put the link?

 

[berg80]

In other words you can’t answer the question.

In other words you're in denial about the answer.

 

[JohnDB]

There are 195 posts in this thread. I'm not going back through all of them looking for it. In which post did you put the link?

It's just on the preceeding page.

Gosh....it popped right up.
Why do people not want to others to know these things? It's crucial for informed consent.

Long COVID in the United States - PMC

Although yet to be clearly identified as a clinical condition, there is immense concern at the health and wellbeing consequences of long COVID. Using data collected from nearly half a million Americans in the period June 2022-December 2022 in the US ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In their systematic review of 194 studies–most of them in Europe—O’Mahoney et al. [8] showed that at an average follow-up time of 126 days, 45% of COVID survivors, regardless of hospitalization status, go on to experience at least one unresolved symptom. In addition, the prevalence of ongoing symptoms appears to be higher in post-hospitalized cohorts compared to non-hospitalized populations. Taquet et al. [9] conducted a retrospective cohort study based on linked electronic health records (EHRs) data from 81 million patients including 273,618 COVID survivors and found 57% of patients having at least one long-COVID feature recorded within the first 180 days after infection and 37% having them in the 90 to 180 days after diagnosis.

 

[JohnDB]

There are 195 posts in this thread. I'm not going back through all of them looking for it. In which post did you put the link?

The TRUTH is ALWAYS highly nuanced.
It has a lot of variables. It takes time to digest all the possibilities to make an INFORMED CONSENT CHOICE.

When someone says "there's nothing to look at" or "it's harmless" it's never true. They are always lying. There's risks with everything....there's nuances to the truth.

Many people recover from Covid-19 and have no lasting effects from a single infection. That doesn't hold true with multiple infections. Then there's those with underlying health conditions. (Most people) of allergies, kidney disease, arthritis, or liver disease from a previous hepatitis infection. High blood pressure is treatable....just like Celiac. But it's still an underlying condition that can cause catastrophic results from a Covid-19 infection.

Some say 30% and others trying to minimize say 10%.....but in truth it's about demographics, cultural norms and behaviors. In Denmark of course they are going to be healthier (lifestyle and diet) but in America? Nope, higher numbers of underlying factors.

 

[hadit]

It's just on the preceeding page.

Okay, I'm quoting the abstract of the paper here:

Although yet to be clearly identified as a clinical condition, there is immense concern at the health and wellbeing consequences of long COVID. Using data collected from nearly half a million Americans in the period June 2022-December 2022 in the US Census Bureau’s Household Pulse Survey (HPS), we find 14 percent reported suffering long COVID at some point, half of whom reported it at the time of the survey. Its incidence varies markedly across the United States–from 11 percent in Hawaii to 18 percent in West Virginia–and is higher for women than men, among Whites compared with Blacks and Asians, and declines with rising education and income. It is at its highest in midlife in the same way as negative affect. Ever having had long COVID is strongly associated with negative affect (anxiety, depression, worry and a lack of interest in things), with the correlation being strongest among those who currently report long COVID, especially if they report severe symptoms. In contrast, those who report having had short COVID report higher wellbeing than those who report never having had COVID. Long COVID is also strongly associated with physical mobility problems, and with problems dressing and bathing. It is also associated with mental problems as indicated by recall and understanding difficulties. Again, the associations are strongest among those who currently report long COVID, while those who said they had had short COVID have fewer physical and mental problems than those who report never having had COVID. Vaccination is associated with lower negative affect, including among those who reported having had long COVID.

Several things stand out:

1. Long COVID, though apparently a very real phenomenon, is not yet "clearly identified as a clinical condition", so it's a little early to be making claims that 25% of sufferers are permanently disabled.
2. The article does not mention permanent disability, and nowhere in it can I find reference to a 25% figure.

That does not negate the seriousness of COVID, nor does it address the long-term implications or even disability of those who suffer from it. It does, though, point out that less than 20% of COVID sufferers end up with long COVID.