I have a question for Trump supporters

[Luckyone]

Blame America itself, especially the former US president, Lewinsky blowjob-loving Bill Clinton. He made a big mistake!

The United States played a pivotal role in influencing NATO's eastward expansion. Despite initial assurances to Soviet leaders in 1990 that NATO would not expand eastward, the U.S. later pursued an expansionist policy, driven by strategic interests and a desire to stabilize Eastern Europe post-Cold War. The U.S. leadership, particularly under President Clinton, supported NATO enlargement as a means to promote liberalization and project U.S. power in the region. This expansion was pursued despite Russian objections, which were largely disregarded by the U.S. and other Western powers. The U.S. decision-making process often bypassed Russian concerns, contributing to heightened tensions between Russia and NATO.

sources:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_regarding_the_Amlegitimacy_of_eastward_NATO_expansion
2. What Washington Got Wrong About NATO Expansion in the 1990s
3. How America’s NATO expansion obsession plays into the Ukraine crisis
4. CIAO: Strategic Analysis: NATO Eastward Expansion and Russian Security
5. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer
6. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...on-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
7. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-u-s-decision-to-enlarge-nato-how-when-why-and-what-next/
8. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1993-2000/evolution-of-nato

Pure BS

 

[Crepitus]

Are they?

Prove it.

I provided exactly the same amount of proof that you did.

 

[westwall]

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Better than you howler monkeys flinging poo.

 

[Correll]

Prove it. If it is nonsense, you should have no problem proving it is nonsense.

Proof? Your statement was based on the denial of reality. If you are willing to deny reality, you are willing to stonewall in the face of any "proof" I could offer you.


As we see from lefties on this site, all day, everyday.

 

[Luckyone]

Proof? Your statement was based on the denial of reality. If you are willing to deny reality, you are willing to stonewall in the face of any "proof" I could offer you.


As we see from lefties on this site, all day, everyday.

Once again word salad from you

What statement from me?
What reality?
Deny what?
Stonewall what?
What are you referring to?

You seem to be unable to make any point

 

[Correll]

Once again word salad from you

What statement from me?
What reality?
Deny what?
Stonewall what?
What are you referring to?

You seem to be unable to make any point

If you are having trouble following your own conversation, perhaps from being in too many threads, you can use the little arrow at the top of each post, to go back and review the previous post.


Your demand for PROOF in a discussion of policy and supporting arguments, was by it's very nature a dishonest demand.

 

[Luckyone]

If you are having trouble following your own conversation, perhaps from being in too many threads, you can use the little arrow at the top of each post, to go back and review the previous post.


Your demand for PROOF in a discussion of policy and supporting arguments, was by it's very nature a dishonest demand.

Jeesuz, you truly are a total asshole with words for ammunition. Do I need to remind you that the dictionary is available to everyone in the world, even the biggest idiots and for those in insane asylums?

You are no better than a cockroach with the only difference is that you can talk.

I have lost my interest in continuing conversations with you. You can now enjoy talking to a wall and degrading it to the max.

 

[Correll]

Jeesuz, you truly are a total asshole with words for ammunition. Do I need to remind you that the dictionary is available to everyone in the world, even the biggest idiots and for those in insane asylums?

You are no better than a cockroach with the only difference is that you can talk.

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I have lost my interest in continuing conversations with you. You can now enjoy talking to a wall and degrading it to the max.

You made a moronic "point" that putin could just start war after war, if we let him out of this one.

That ignores the massive damage done to the russian military, not to mention the ability of the west to respond differently if Putin looks to be that irrational.


Your point was literally something a retarded child might come up with.


You said that, I called you on it, and you went evasive to try to run from it.

 

[Luckyone]

You made a moronic "point" that putin could just start war after war, if we let him out of this one.

Hold on one second. He did start this one, didn't he. Why do you think he would not start another one?

That ignores the massive damage done to the russian military, not to mention the ability of the west to respond differently if Putin looks to be that irrational.

You think Putin cares one iota about any of that? All he cares about is staying in power and accomplishing what he wants to accomplish, no matter the cost to others.

Your point was literally something a retarded child might come up with.

Coming from you, that is a compliment.

You said that, I called you on it, and you went evasive to try to run from it.

I NEVER run from a debate. I always run away from stupidity. It can be contagious.

 

[Correll]

Hold on one second. He did start this one, didn't he. Why do you think he would not start another one?

WOW. that's dumb. I've been seeing this one more and more, where lefties cut a statement and then address it as though it was not explained, when the explanation is following in the next sentence.

You didn't even have the sense to not address the explanation below.

The bit I like about this the most, is that it shows that they ONLY people you think you can convince to side with you are the absolutely DUMBEST people. becuase only the dumbest person would not see though that trick.

You think Putin cares one iota about any of that? All he cares about is staying in power and accomplishing what he wants to accomplish, no matter the cost to others.

It's not about whether he CARES. It's about the ability of the russian military to do stuff.

The russian military failed to do what he wanted in Ukraine. If he were to start another war in a year or two, or 5, the russian military is still going to be even weaker than it was then, because of the damage done to it by that war.


Are you pretending to be unaware of the damage done to the russian military?

Coming from you, that is a compliment.


I NEVER run from a debate. I always run away from stupidity. It can be contagious.

Yeah, whatever. You, like every lefty, has to be dishonest to try to defend your pro-war position.

 

[Robert W]

If Trump is truly a strong man that doesn't kowtow to anyone, why is he allowing Putin to "call the shots"? Why isn't he being the strong man and telling Putin "Back off or else"?

Trump is not letting Putin call the shots. Who got you to thinking that? Do you want the war to keep going on? Trump wants Putin to stop it.

 

[Luckyone]

WOW. that's dumb. I've been seeing this one more and more, where lefties cut a statement and then address it as though it was not explained, when the explanation is following in the next sentence.

Let me prove you WRONG for the last time. To begin with, I am NO LEFTY. I was a Republican for 35 years and the only reason I began to change is because I am against all extremes and in 2008, the extreme right began to take charge of the party and in 2016, they elected an incompetence narcissist. Given that the one thing I have keyed on all my life is to become as competent as I can be and that is by gaining knowledge and using it to cope (and beat) life's problems. I HAVE accomplished that. In addition, I am about as honest as a person can be. I do not lie and as such, I hate liars.

As such, your contention that I am a lefty is totally wrong. I am not a political person. I am a realist and what the Right and Trump have been doing is tearing our country apart and I will fight against that every time. As such, I am against the Right and Trump and not because of politics, but because all of the above.

As such, you are wrong from the very start in your thinking. .

You didn't even have the sense to not address the explanation below.

The bit I like about this the most, is that it shows that they ONLY people you think you can convince to side with you are the absolutely DUMBEST people. becuase only the dumbest person would not see though that trick.

You have certainly been dumb in your answers. You do not show any common sense and that is absolutely the worst because common sense is COMMON and you seem to have none. I always provide data, statistics, and facts to what I state. Am I always going to be right? No, but then again what those that debate with me have to do to prove me wrong, is offer data, statistics, and facts and prove their points. If they do that, I will acknowledge and accept being wrong. This is not about me, but about reality. You have yet to do that even once. You are sure of your beliefs but you can never prove your beliefs are based on common sense or reality.

It's not about whether he CARES. It's about the ability of the russian military to do stuff.

Since when has that ever stopped a narcissist from doing something stupid. Heck Trump does stupid things all the time without even considering the consequences and he and Putin are cut from the same cloth. Narcissists BELIEVE that they can do everything and are never wrong, no matter that the facts say otherwise. Heck, Putin has now been losing for 3 years and it has not stopped him one iota.

You talk about losing troops and he cannot afford to continue to do that?

Well, here is his response

What we know about North Korean troops joining Russia's ...​

The russian military failed to do what he wanted in Ukraine. If he were to start another war in a year or two, or 5, the russian military is still going to be even weaker than it was then, because of the damage done to it by that war.

See above.

Are you pretending to be unaware of the damage done to the russian military?

See above

Yeah, whatever. You, like every lefty, has to be dishonest to try to defend your pro-war position.

See above

 

[Correll]

Let me prove you WRONG for the last time. To begin with, I am NO LEFTY. I was a Republican for 35 years and the only reason I began to change is because I am against all extremes and in 2008, the extreme right began to take charge of the party and in 2016, they elected an incompetence narcissist. Given that the one thing I have keyed on all my life is to become as competent as I can be and that is by gaining knowledge and using it to cope (and beat) life's problems. I HAVE accomplished that. In addition, I am about as honest as a person can be. I do not lie and as such, I hate liars.

As such, your contention that I am a lefty is totally wrong. I am not a political person. I am a realist and what the Right and Trump have been doing is tearing our country apart and I will fight against that every time. As such, I am against the Right and Trump and not because of politics, but because all of the above.

As such, you are wrong from the very start in your thinking. .


You have certainly been dumb in your answers. You do not show any common sense and that is absolutely the worst because common sense is COMMON and you seem to have none. I always provide data, statistics, and facts to what I state. Am I always going to be right? No, but then again what those that debate with me have to do to prove me wrong, is offer data, statistics, and facts and prove their points. If they do that, I will acknowledge and accept being wrong. This is not about me, but about reality. You have yet to do that even once. You are sure of your beliefs but you can never prove your beliefs are based on common sense or reality.


Since when has that ever stopped a narcissist from doing something stupid. Heck Trump does stupid things all the time and he and Putin are cut from the same cloth. Narcissists BELIEVE that they can do everything and are never wrong, no matter that the facts say otherwise. Heck, Putin has now been losing for 3 years and it has not stopped him one iota.

You talk about losing troops and he cannot afford to continue to do that?

Well, here is his response

What we know about North Korean troops joining Russia's ...​

See above.


See above

See above

Putin is aware of the damage to his military and even if he doesn't care about the human cost of that, he is aware of the way it reduces the capability of his forces.


Thus, your point that he can just start more wars, if we let him out of this one,

is really dumb.


Would you like to address this, is a reasonable fashion, without any undue drama or... partisan filler?

 

[Luckyone]

Putin is aware of the damage to his military and even if he doesn't care about the human cost of that, he is aware of the way it reduces the capability of his forces.


Thus, your point that he can just start more wars, if we let him out of this one,

is really dumb.


Would you like to address this, is a reasonable fashion, without any undue drama or... partisan filler?

Well let's see. Putin has expressed a desire to take over Moldova, Georgia and the Baltic states.

Moldova military strength =

• In 2022, Moldova had 6,500 professional soldiers and 2,000 conscripts

Does that seem to you, something difficult for Putin to overcome?

 

[Blisterfinger]

I'm not a Trump supporters but we really have no clue what position Trump will take in Ukraine.

He never supports this or that, he only supports what he see's as best for himself.

He supports what he sees best for the country. That is obvious

 

[westwall]

Well let's see. Putin has expressed a desire to take over Moldova, Georgia and the Baltic states.

Moldova military strength =

• In 2022, Moldova had 6,500 professional soldiers and 2,000 conscripts

Does that seem to you, something difficult for Putin to overcome?

Yeah, right now pootin can barely hold what he has. His military has been highly degraded.

 

[Correll]

Well let's see. Putin has expressed a desire to take over Moldova, Georgia and the Baltic states.

Moldova military strength =

• In 2022, Moldova had 6,500 professional soldiers and 2,000 conscripts

Does that seem to you, something difficult for Putin to overcome?

Yes, very much so. As Moldava is on the far side of Ukraine, which Russia has failed to conquer.

 

[Redfish]

Then impose them again

they are still in place, dingleberry

 

[Redfish]

Yeah, right now pootin can barely hold what he has. His military has been highly degraded.

yeah, right. without american money and equipment, that war would have been over in less than a week. Biden extended it and caused thousands of deaths on both sides. Let Putin have Ukraine, then its corruption is his problem.

 

[Redfish]

of course he is. Stop being blind about it

Putin wants to reconstitute the soviet union, WTF do we care? oh, the domino theory, right? 59,000 americans died in Viet Nam due to that bullshit theory.