CDZ I do not understand the fascination with and demand for semi-automatic rifles

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Some people just like to collect them. They don’t have to have a reason.

Or people may collect guns for ridiculous, wrongheaded reasons, like defending against 'tyranny.'

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Indeed - because they harm others, or plance them in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger -- because of this, these things can be regulated w/o running afoul of the 1st Amendment.

How does my ownership/possession of AR15 harm someone?
How does nor ownership/possession place someone in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger?
They don't?
Then, using the right to free speech as a guide, as you suggest, on what basis can my ownership/possession of an AR15 be regulated?

The right's enshrined in the First Amendment are subject to Constitutional restrictions other than imminent lawlessness or violence, such as time, place, and manner restrictions.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The 2nd was written specifically to preserve the means of the people to do away with an illegit government, thus military arms are the only ones truly protected, and that was the SCOTUS ruling in US v Miller in the NFA of 1934 ruling.

Wrong.

The Second Amendment codifies an individual right to possess a firearm, unconnected with militia service, pursuant to lawful self-defense, having nothing to do with 'opposing tyranny.'

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Their fear is both ridiculous and unwarranted.

What makes you say that?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The right's enshrined in the First Amendment are subject to Constitutional restrictions other than imminent lawlessness or violence, such as time, place, and manner restrictions.

Murdering someone with a gun is illegal.

 

[GLASNOST]

Theyre called natural rights. They are endowed by our creator, not by humans writing them down on paper.

The bible.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The bible.

What about it?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Their fear is both ridiculous and unwarranted.

This is only true if you believe the Demcortats are lying about their agenda with regard to 'assault wepaons'.
Are that lying, or are you?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The right's enshrined in the First Amendment are subject to Constitutional restrictions other than imminent lawlessness or violence, such as time, place, and manner restrictions.

The person I responded to brought up a specific set of circumstances, my response to which you apparently find sound.

But, to address you attempt to divert the conversation away from your agreement:
Time place and manner restrictions come into play whe the exercise of free speech involved public property in such a manner that the state has a compelling interest in the safety of all involved.
As such, these restrictions can have no relationship to the simple ownership and possession of a firearm.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong.
The Second Amendment codifies an individual right to possess a firearm, unconnected with militia service, pursuant to lawful self-defense,

^^^^
This is a lie, as you deliberately failed to include the other uses for a firearm protected by the 2nd.
As you always do.

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong.

The Second Amendment codifies an individual right to possess a firearm, unconnected with militia service, pursuant to lawful self-defense, having nothing to do with 'opposing tyranny.'

your premise is a lie,,

 

[westwall]

Wrong.

The Second Amendment codifies an individual right to possess a firearm, unconnected with militia service, pursuant to lawful self-defense, having nothing to do with 'opposing tyranny.'

Wrong. The relevent wording of "FREE STATE" proves you wrong.

 

[GLASNOST]

What about it?

Yes, I can see that you are confused. I'll quote your own words to make it easier for you. Your "natural rights" ... "endowed by our creator, not by humans writing them down on paper". The bible was "written down on paper" ... "by humans". Possibly on papyrus but it's the same thing.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Yes, I can see that you are confused. I'll quote your own words to make it easier for you. Your "natural rights" ... "endowed by our creator, not by humans writing them down on paper". The bible was "written down on paper" ... "by humans". Possibly on papyrus but it's the same thing.

The Bible is the word of God.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Or people may collect guns for ridiculous, wrongheaded reasons, like defending against 'tyranny.'

There's nothing rediculous about that.

 

[Burgermeister]

It's fun. Could not care less who understands why.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

And this "word" you claim to believe in .... did you hear god say that "word" or did you read it in a book? When you open the bible does god's voice pop out of the pages or is it written?

Oh, your plan, now, is to ridicule my faith?

 

[GLASNOST]

You're just putting your anti-Christian hatred on display.

What does my view of Christianity have to do with your utter misconceptions about what is written & what is not and what religion has to do with the written law?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

What does my view of Christianity have to do with your utter misconceptions about what is written & what is not and what religion has to do with the written law?

Why would you bring up my religion, other than to ambush me?

 

[GLASNOST]

Why would you bring up my religion ........ ?

I didn't. You did.