I could see that support for Ukraine ran about 4 to1 on this board

[longly]

Before my pole in my previous post was canceled, I could see that support for Ukraine ran about 4 to1 on this board. I hope that's the case nationwide, but it doesn't matter unless people speak up; what happens to Ukraine is important especially for the future of our grandchildren. Russia has to be dissuaded from being an aggressive military power. Let me make something clear right now; I am not a liberal and I hold Biden responsible for what's happening in Ukraine. If he hadn't been such a coward during the period of time which military aid was not going to Ukraine, we would be in a much better position. If as Commander-in-chief had opened up the warehouses, that he has control of, and sent the weapons to Ukraine I don't think we'd be in this situation.

liberals use the word Hitler and racist to the point it is overused and now they're almost useless. Too many people now can't see that Putin is a Hitler like character he won't be satisfied with anything less than everything. It's you liberals, it is your fault; you put politics above national security you should have been encouraging Biden to open up the warehouses to send the weapons the Ukrainians needed instead of playing politics. However, it is not too late please contact your senators and representatives tell them to override trump, if necessary and make sure the Ukrainians get the weapons they need. The Ukrainians cannot be allowed to lose to the Russians. They need to get the weapons they need to push the Russians out. If the Ukrainians fail it's going to be bad for us in the future.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[Zavulon]

Russia has to be dissuaded from being an aggressive military power.

There is only one way to do it. Eliminate Russian nuclear forces. You simply can't do without suffering terrible damage. Its from 40 mlns Americans killed in the case if you attack first out of blue, you are lucky, and the Russians are stupid and clumsy (and then there still be China to deal with). In more realistic scenarios up to 100 millions of Americans are killed. In the pessimistic scenario both America and Western civilization (as we know it) cease to exist.

Are you ready to play this game? American roulette - six chambers, five cartriges, banner "I'm really ready to gamble with national security to support Kievan regime", do it online. If there will be enough of fools following you, may be, American decision-makers will think about it.

Other way, we can think how we can live together with equal safety and with equal rights.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[sparky]

I find it rather revealing liberals , or at least those who proclaim to be liberals these days would support perpetual war for perpetual peace as their moral high ground

~S~

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The numbers nationwide are probably 76%.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Before my pole in my previous post was canceled, I could see that support for Ukraine ran about 4 to1 on this board. I hope that's the case nationwide, but it doesn't matter unless people speak up; what happens to Ukraine is important especially for the future of our grandchildren. Russia has to be dissuaded from being an aggressive military power. Let me make something clear right now; I am not a liberal and I hold Biden responsible for what's happening in Ukraine. If he hadn't been such a coward during the period of time which military aid was not going to Ukraine, we would be in a much better position. If as Commander-in-chief had opened up the warehouses, that he has control of, and sent the weapons to Ukraine I don't think we'd be in this situation.

liberals use the word Hitler and racist to the point it is overused and now they're almost useless. Too many people now can't see that Putin is a Hitler like character he won't be satisfied with anything less than everything. It's you liberals, it is your fault; you put politics above national security you should have been encouraging Biden to open up the warehouses to send the weapons the Ukrainians needed instead of playing politics. However, it is not too late please contact your senators and representatives tell them to override trump, if necessary and make sure the Ukrainians get the weapons they need. The Ukrainians cannot be allowed to lose to the Russians. They need to get the weapons they need to push the Russians out. If the Ukrainians fail it's going to be bad for us in the future.

Putin ain't going anywhere past what is already taken

If Western Europeans send troops
all bets are off he'll try and kill em off and push you out

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... and will fail.

But he wont' do that.

 

[Zavulon]

... and will fail.

But he wont' do that.

No problem, then, right? If Putin, as you said, won't attack west European forces even if they are that provocative - then NATO is totally safe whatever is the result of Ukrainian war. And NATO's defeat in Ukraine won't decrease safety neither of Europeans, nor of Americans. So, America should more invest in the wealth and safety of American people (100k of them are dying every year because of overdose), not in the safety of Kievan regime. Right?

 

[Zavulon]

But he wont' do that.

Even if (very big IF) Putin won't order to attack and eliminate invading European forces, local Ukrainian pro-Russian rebels and barely controllable by Kievan regime west-Ukrainian Banderlogs will definitely attack them.
Are European forces ready to fight anti-guerilla war in the region that full of modern weapons (including cheap UAVs, MANPADs and ATGMs)?

 

[The Duke]

There is only one way to do it. Eliminate Russian nuclear forces. You simply can't do without suffering terrible damage. Its from 40 mlns Americans killed in the case if you attack first out of blue, you are lucky, and the Russians are stupid and clumsy (and then there still be China to deal with). In more realistic scenarios up to 100 millions of Americans are killed. In the pessimistic scenario both America and Western civilization (as we know it) cease to exist.

Are you ready to play this game? American roulette - six chambers, five cartriges, banner "I'm really ready to gamble with national security to support Kievan regime", do it online. If there will be enough of fools following you, may be, American decision-makers will think about it.

Other way, we can think how we can live together with equal safety and with equal rights.

OH, STFU Pavel.
Big Daddy Pooty Poot has been a bad boy.
Democrats and Zelensky have been bad, too.
Americans haven't been bad, and we're kind of mad.
You should just STFU and let what happens happen. What you do not want to do right now is invoke the ire of Americans.
I would say our Boy Scouts could kick your ass but Democrats fucked up the Boy Scouts.
You see, when Americans fight, they don't start swilling vodka at noon and shit. They're fighting for real. Day and night.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No problem, then, right? If Putin, as you said, won't attack west European forces even if they are that provocative - then NATO is totally safe whatever is the result of Ukrainian war. And NATO's defeat in Ukraine won't decrease safety neither of Europeans, nor of Americans. So, America should more invest in the wealth and safety of American people (100k of them are dying every year because of overdose), not in the safety of Kievan regime. Right?

Putin will attack if western Europe does not back up Ukraine.

They will give no room for Putin.,

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Even if (very big IF) Putin won't order to attack and eliminate invading European forces, local Ukrainian pro-Russian rebels and barely controllable by Kievan regime west-Ukrainian Banderlogs will definitely attack them.
Are European forces ready to fight anti-guerilla war in the region that full of modern weapons (including cheap UAVs, MANPADs and ATGMs)?

How well has it worked in the last ten years for the anti-Ukranian militias? Thousands and thousands of casualties more than the Ukrainian armed forces.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

OH, STFU Pavel.
Big Daddy Pooty Poot has been a bad boy.
Democrats and Zelensky have been bad, too.
Americans haven't been bad, and we're kind of mad.
You should just STFU and let what happens happen. What you do not want to do right now is invoke the ire of Americans.
I would say our Boy Scouts could kick your ass but Democrats fucked up the Boy Scouts.
You see, when Americans fight, they don't start swilling vodka at noon and shit. They're fighting for real. Day and night.

Despite The Duke's ranting, the American Dems would whip the Russians silly, Zavulon.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

News flash: leaders of Western Europe all stand behind Ukraine and see Trump as an embarrassment.

Republicans would too if the president were a Democrat.

 

[The Duke]

News flash: leaders of Western Europe all stand behind Ukraine and see Trump as an embarrassment.

Republicans would too if the president were a Democrat.

So what's up with this latest Zelensky tweet?

 

[Zavulon]

How well has it worked in the last ten years for the anti-Ukranian militias? Thousands and thousands of casualties more than the Ukrainian armed forces.

"Thousands and thousands casualties" were mostly of ordinary civilians of Donbass. Banderlogs have been counting them as "rebels" either. People's militia losses were quite lower. And this, more or less equal number of casualties were possible only because both Banderlogs and Vatniks (like Democrats and Republicans) are the people of the same culture. But the Brits and Frenches are not Ukrainians. Most of them doesn't even speak Russian. And if they come, both Banderlogs (significant part of them) and Vatniks will be fighting against them. And even if there will be another stalemate for eight years (which is hardly possible), and even if, because of some magic weapons and significant numerical superiority, (more than 1 mln of European soldiers will be necessary), they will prevail - then Russian Federation will just put her sword on her bowl of weights, as she did back in 2022.

Thats why we need reliable and lasting peace, not some freaking ceasefire.

 

[Zavulon]

Putin will attack if western Europe does not back up Ukraine.

For what possible reason? Just because he is very-very evil? It doesn't work in the real world (or even in the realistic fantasy worlds)

They will give no room for Putin.,

And cornered rat is attacking.

 

[Zavulon]

News flash: leaders of Western Europe all stand behind Ukraine and see Trump as an embarrassment.

So, it wasn't just Zelenskiy's spit in the face of America. It was well calculated European insult. Those strategic parasites decided to show their true face? And anti-American Americans are ready to lick their boots? Really?

 

[braalian]

There is only one way to do it. Eliminate Russian nuclear forces. You simply can't do without suffering terrible damage. Its from 40 mlns Americans killed in the case if you attack first out of blue, you are lucky, and the Russians are stupid and clumsy (and then there still be China to deal with). In more realistic scenarios up to 100 millions of Americans are killed. In the pessimistic scenario both America and Western civilization (as we know it) cease to exist.

Are you ready to play this game? American roulette - six chambers, five cartriges, banner "I'm really ready to gamble with national security to support Kievan regime", do it online. If there will be enough of fools following you, may be, American decision-makers will think about it.

Other way, we can think how we can live together with equal safety and with equal rights.

Mutually Assured Destruction renders the prospect of nuclear war a near impossibility