Hypothetical ~ What would you do if...

[Angel Heart]

Vote new people in at the next opportunity. And initiate recall petitions where possible to speed up the process.

We did and we will. 70 Dem Senate in 2010.

Please dear God no... With that they can do what ever they want to the constitution. No one group should have that much power.

 

[neurosport]

I suggest we demand an end to the Federal Reserve.

you suggest to demand ?

have you watched the film " IDIOCRACY " where the idiot prison guard says " and now you shall begin to commence to proceed being a particular individual ... "

how about just do it ?

take a can of spray paint. go out at 3 AM and speak your mind on large surfaces.

you can start with bus stops ...

don't buy the spray paint on your credit card ...

 

[dilloduck]

I suggest we demand an end to the Federal Reserve.

you suggest to demand ?

have you watched the film " IDIOCRACY " where the idiot prison guard says " and now you shall begin to commence to proceed being a particular individual ... "

how about just do it ?

take a can of spray paint. go out at 3 AM and speak your mind on large surfaces.

you can start with bus stops ...

don't buy the spray paint on your credit card ...

spray paint ? A bit viscious don't you think ?

 

[Angel Heart]

Damaging other peoples property or even our own (public property) isn't an option.

I however might be violating some clean water thing when I dump the tea into the Willamette river in 10 days.

 

[InrXeyelArkvst]

Our government put the IMF in charge of the FCC and Federal Reserve Board?

Wasn't that done already?

Geithner went from Director of the Policy Development and Review Department at the IMF to becoming President of the NYFRB, Vice Chairman of the FOMC, and a member the Group of Thirty concurrently (all while Wolfie and then Zoellick left 43rd Admin posts in DOD and State to be WB Presidents) prior to getting Hank's spot.

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[RetiredGySgt]

It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to provide any foreign Government or entity decision process over US Government or citizens with in the country. That would include the Money supply.

By the way The Government has no legal right to have anything to do with RUNNING the finances of this Country.

That is a very sadly humorous comment. Bush, by putting us so deeply in debt to Asia has given the Chinese and Japanese a major say in our internal finances. The failure to work on energy independence has created a situation where the oil exporting nations can shut down our transportation system. And everything done in the last administration only made us more dependent on them.

You supported the very people that has created a situation that has put this nation more at the mercy of other governments than it has ever been. Now you think you are capable of giving us advice on the results of that situation?

Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. Once again you DUMB ASS, all that does is let those countries push us a little harder for favorite trade status. If China or any other Country actually tried to force anything on the Country the debt would be nationalized and defaulted on.

 

[Old Rocks]

Vote new people in at the next opportunity. And initiate recall petitions where possible to speed up the process.

We did and we will. 70 Dem Senate in 2010.

Please dear God no... With that they can do what ever they want to the constitution. No one group should have that much power.

Well then, give your Conservatives the boot, and bring in some intelligent conservatives to work on what will be best for all citizens of this nation. People that are honest enough to recognize that our health care system is broke. People that are honest enough to recognize that our education system shuts out far too many that are capable but lacking in finances.

We need remedies, not talking points.

 

[Old Rocks]

It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to provide any foreign Government or entity decision process over US Government or citizens with in the country. That would include the Money supply.

By the way The Government has no legal right to have anything to do with RUNNING the finances of this Country.

That is a very sadly humorous comment. Bush, by putting us so deeply in debt to Asia has given the Chinese and Japanese a major say in our internal finances. The failure to work on energy independence has created a situation where the oil exporting nations can shut down our transportation system. And everything done in the last administration only made us more dependent on them.

You supported the very people that has created a situation that has put this nation more at the mercy of other governments than it has ever been. Now you think you are capable of giving us advice on the results of that situation?

Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. Once again you DUMB ASS, all that does is let those countries push us a little harder for favorite trade status. If China or any other Country actually tried to force anything on the Country the debt would be nationalized and defaulted on.

Sure, RGS, we are completely proof against the tactic we used on Britain in the Suez Crisis. And you are completely bullet proof, also.

Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The operation aimed at taking the Suez Canal, was highly successful from a military point of view, but was a political disaster due to external forces. Along with Suez crisis, the United States was also dealing with the near-simultaneous Hungarian revolution, and faced the public relations embarrassment of criticizing the Soviet Union's suppression of the revolutionaries there while at the same time avoiding criticism of its two principal European allies' actions. Perhaps more significantly, the United States also feared a wider war after the Soviet Union and the other Warsaw Pact nations threatened to intervene on the Egyptian side and make rocket attacks[33] on London, Tel Aviv, and Paris.

Thus, the Eisenhower administration forced a cease-fire on Britain, Israel, and France. The U.S. demanded that the invasion stop and sponsored resolutions in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire. Britain and France, as permanent members of the Council, vetoed these draft resolutions. The U.S. then appealed to the United Nations General Assembly and proposed a resolution calling for a cease-fire and a withdrawal of forces.[34] The General Assembly consequently held an 'emergency special session' under the terms of Uniting for Peace resolution, and adopted Assembly resolution 1001,[35] which established the first United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF), and called for "an immediate cease-fire". Portugal and Iceland went so far as to suggest ejecting Britain and France from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) defense pact if they didn't withdraw from Egypt.[36] Britain and France withdrew from Egypt within a week.

The United States also put financial pressure on Great Britain to end the invasion. Eisenhower in fact ordered his Secretary of the Treasury, George M. Humphrey to prepare to sell part of the US Government's Sterling Bond holdings. The Government held these bonds in part to aid post war Britain’s economy (during the Cold War), and as partial payment of Britain’s enormous Second World War debt to the US Government, American corporations, and individuals. It was also part of the overall effort of Marshall Plan aid, in the rebuilding of the Western European economies.

Britain’s then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Harold Macmillan, advised his Prime Minister Anthony Eden that the United States was fully prepared to carry out this threat. He also warned his Prime Minister that Britain’s foreign exchange reserves simply could not sustain a devaluation of Pound that would come after the United States’ actions; and that within weeks of such a move, the country would be unable to import the food and energy supplies needed simply to sustain the population on the islands.

Furthermore, in concert with US actions Saudi Arabia started an oil embargo against Britain and France. The U.S. refused to fill the gap until Britain and France agreed to a rapid withdrawal. The other NATO members refused to sell oil they received from Arab nations to Britain or France.[37] There was also a measure of discouragement for Britain in the rebuke by the Commonwealth Prime Minister St. Laurent of Canada[citation needed].

The British government and the pound thus both came under pressure. Sir Anthony Eden, the British Prime Minister at the time, was forced to resign and announced a cease fire on 6 November, warning neither France nor Israel beforehand. Troops were still in Port Said when the order came from London. Without further guarantee, the Anglo-French Task Force had to finish withdrawing by 22 December 1956, to be replaced by Danish and Colombian units of UNEF.[38] The Israelis left the Sinai in March, 1957.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That is a very sadly humorous comment. Bush, by putting us so deeply in debt to Asia has given the Chinese and Japanese a major say in our internal finances. The failure to work on energy independence has created a situation where the oil exporting nations can shut down our transportation system. And everything done in the last administration only made us more dependent on them.

You supported the very people that has created a situation that has put this nation more at the mercy of other governments than it has ever been. Now you think you are capable of giving us advice on the results of that situation?

Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. Once again you DUMB ASS, all that does is let those countries push us a little harder for favorite trade status. If China or any other Country actually tried to force anything on the Country the debt would be nationalized and defaulted on.

Sure, RGS, we are completely proof against the tactic we used on Britain in the Suez Crisis. And you are completely bullet proof, also.

Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The operation aimed at taking the Suez Canal, was highly successful from a military point of view, but was a political disaster due to external forces. Along with Suez crisis, the United States was also dealing with the near-simultaneous Hungarian revolution, and faced the public relations embarrassment of criticizing the Soviet Union's suppression of the revolutionaries there while at the same time avoiding criticism of its two principal European allies' actions. Perhaps more significantly, the United States also feared a wider war after the Soviet Union and the other Warsaw Pact nations threatened to intervene on the Egyptian side and make rocket attacks[33] on London, Tel Aviv, and Paris.

Thus, the Eisenhower administration forced a cease-fire on Britain, Israel, and France. The U.S. demanded that the invasion stop and sponsored resolutions in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire. Britain and France, as permanent members of the Council, vetoed these draft resolutions. The U.S. then appealed to the United Nations General Assembly and proposed a resolution calling for a cease-fire and a withdrawal of forces.[34] The General Assembly consequently held an 'emergency special session' under the terms of Uniting for Peace resolution, and adopted Assembly resolution 1001,[35] which established the first United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF), and called for "an immediate cease-fire". Portugal and Iceland went so far as to suggest ejecting Britain and France from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) defense pact if they didn't withdraw from Egypt.[36] Britain and France withdrew from Egypt within a week.

The United States also put financial pressure on Great Britain to end the invasion. Eisenhower in fact ordered his Secretary of the Treasury, George M. Humphrey to prepare to sell part of the US Government's Sterling Bond holdings. The Government held these bonds in part to aid post war Britain’s economy (during the Cold War), and as partial payment of Britain’s enormous Second World War debt to the US Government, American corporations, and individuals. It was also part of the overall effort of Marshall Plan aid, in the rebuilding of the Western European economies.

Britain’s then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Harold Macmillan, advised his Prime Minister Anthony Eden that the United States was fully prepared to carry out this threat. He also warned his Prime Minister that Britain’s foreign exchange reserves simply could not sustain a devaluation of Pound that would come after the United States’ actions; and that within weeks of such a move, the country would be unable to import the food and energy supplies needed simply to sustain the population on the islands.

Furthermore, in concert with US actions Saudi Arabia started an oil embargo against Britain and France. The U.S. refused to fill the gap until Britain and France agreed to a rapid withdrawal. The other NATO members refused to sell oil they received from Arab nations to Britain or France.[37] There was also a measure of discouragement for Britain in the rebuke by the Commonwealth Prime Minister St. Laurent of Canada[citation needed].

The British government and the pound thus both came under pressure. Sir Anthony Eden, the British Prime Minister at the time, was forced to resign and announced a cease fire on 6 November, warning neither France nor Israel beforehand. Troops were still in Port Said when the order came from London. Without further guarantee, the Anglo-French Task Force had to finish withdrawing by 22 December 1956, to be replaced by Danish and Colombian units of UNEF.[38] The Israelis left the Sinai in March, 1957.

Not even close to the same. But hey keep on claiming otherwise.

 

[manu1959]

Our government put the IMF in charge of the FCC and Federal Reserve Board?

close them....

 

[Angel Heart]

Our government put the IMF in charge of the FCC and Federal Reserve Board?

Wasn't that done already?

Geithner went from Director of the Policy Development and Review Department at the IMF to becoming President of the NYFRB, Vice Chairman of the FOMC, and a member the Group of Thirty concurrently (all while Wolfie and then Zoellick left 43rd Admin posts in DOD and State to be WB Presidents) prior to getting Hank's spot.

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Got a link... I need something with the history of Geithner...

 

[InrXeyelArkvst]

Got a link... I need something with the history of Geithner...

Timothy F. Geithner

Timothy F. Geithner became the ninth president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York on November 17, 2003. In that capacity, he serves as the vice chairman and a permanent member of the Federal Open Market Committee, the group responsible for formulating the nation's monetary policy. President Obama nominated Mr. Geithner to be the 75th Secretary of the Treasury and the U.S. Senate confirmed him to the position on January 26, 2009.
Mr. Geithner joined the Department of Treasury in 1988 and worked in three administrations for five Secretaries of the Treasury in a variety of positions. He served as Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs from 1999 to 2001 under Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.
He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department at the International Monetary Fund from 2001 until 2003. Before joining the Treasury, Mr. Geithner worked for Kissinger Associates, Inc.
Mr. Geithner graduated from Dartmouth College with a bachelor’s degree in government and Asian studies in 1983 and from the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies with a master’s in International Economics and East Asian Studies in 1985. He has studied Japanese and Chinese and has lived in East Africa, India, Thailand, China, and Japan.
Mr. Geithner serves as chairman of the G-10’s Committee on Payment and Settlement Systems of the Bank for International Settlements. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Group of Thirty.

January 2009

Timothy F. Geithner, President of the New York Fed - Organization - About the Fed - Federal Reserve Bank of New York

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[DamnYankee]

We did and we will. 70 Dem Senate in 2010.

Please dear God no... With that they can do what ever they want to the constitution. No one group should have that much power.

Well then, give your Conservatives the boot, and bring in some intelligent conservatives to work on what will be best for all citizens of this nation. People that are honest enough to recognize that our health care system is broke. People that are honest enough to recognize that our education system shuts out far too many that are capable but lacking in finances.

We need remedies, not talking points.

Gee.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the referendum for the Liberals back in 2006 and again in 2008? Giving the Conservatives the boot, that is? Because we needed rememdies, not talking points? How did/is that working out? What we got after the 2006 election was a bunch of talkers who didn't have the guts to vote their conscience, and now we have a bunch of talkers without a clue how to implement a plan and whose plans are looking more and more like those <gasp> Conservative plans they ridiculed in their talking points. Haven't you heard? There's no such thing as an honest politician....

 

[eots]

Our government put the IMF in charge of the FCC and Federal Reserve Board?

I would write such the post..then post it !!!...that would teach em

 

[Zoomie1980]

Let other countries dictate anything to us.

Do you forget what we are founded on?

What next let them take our arms?

If they took my arms I could no longer flip people off....

 

[Zoomie1980]

Vote new people in at the next opportunity. And initiate recall petitions where possible to speed up the process.

We did and we will. 70 Dem Senate in 2010.

Please dear God no... With that they can do what ever they want to the constitution. No one group should have that much power.

Dems will lose a MINIMUM of THREE seats in 2010. Conn and Ill will both go Repub for sure and at least one more. Dems stand to lose about 15 seats in the house.

But if anyone remembers virtually ALL the dems that won republican seats in 2006 and 2008 are from REPUBLICAN districts and are thus, closet republicans. Ben Nelson of Nebraska is one of the best examples and has already indicated he will join repubs in filibustering Obama's Cap and Trade, Health plan and Card Check so the Pelosi-Reid legislative party is pretty much over now.....

 

[Indiana Oracle]

Something dramatic is needed. Things have gotten out of hand and, unbelievably, are still really on the same trajectory. See the entry on The Economy I posted yesterday and commented on today.

The thing most perplexing to me is the train wreck that is The Prophet's economic plan geing passed and implemented. Then we are in for it.

That said, I guess the message in yiddish folk song, the masses are asses, is still true. ObamaBSWatch &bull; Index page He and his crowd were elected by the collective us. If there was something out there to latch onto politically, I would join, but I do not see it.

I think the economy resetting to a more normal state is the thing to be pushed. From there, perhaps sanity will return.