Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

[Billy_Bob]

The evidence is overwhelming

There is no good evidence. You are insane, and, as is always the case with you, 100% ass backwards wrong on a scientific topic.

Trump could cure cancer and you would call him a murderer... Your no longer worth the effort to even try and debate because you believe your own lies..

Irrelevant whining of a brainwashed cultist.

Trump could not cure a ham. He is a moron.

Just wow... you EXPOSED YOUR HATRED OF ANYTHING Trump DOES..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Didier Raoult the fraud is being slowly exposed:

Chloroquine witchdoctor Didier Raoult: barking mad and dangerous

Is the inventor of chloroquine cure for COVID-19, the French microbiologist Didier Raoult, sane? But then again, is anyone these days?

forbetterscience.com

bwhaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

They cite CNN as thier SOURCE! BWHAAAAAaaaaaaaa

 

[L.K.Eder]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
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Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

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But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

VA patients probably already have compromised health

That was the primary problem, they were compromised. The second problem with their 11 person study is they used only Hydrcloriquine after the cytoplasm storm which made its use contraindicated. The third problem was the so called "control" group were being treated with Azithromycine, a known drug to fight COVID-19.

The study was a fraud or as virologist called it "scientific malpractice"... Its so bad that the VA is now recalling it...

cytoplasm storm, the USMB-expert queefs.

 

[Billy_Bob]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
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Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

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But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

VA patients probably already have compromised health

That was the primary problem, they were compromised. The second problem with their 11 person study is they used only Hydrcloriquine after the cytoplasm storm which made its use contraindicated. The third problem was the so called "control" group were being treated with Azithromycine, a known drug to fight COVID-19.

The study was a fraud or as virologist called it "scientific malpractice"... Its so bad that the VA is now recalling it...

cytoplasm storm, the USMB-expert queefs.

I see you have no formal training... keep it up....

 

[Death-Ninja]

Didier Raoult the fraud is being slowly exposed:

Chloroquine witchdoctor Didier Raoult: barking mad and dangerous

Is the inventor of chloroquine cure for COVID-19, the French microbiologist Didier Raoult, sane? But then again, is anyone these days?

forbetterscience.com

Folks this bot from China has linked to a radical leftist "cartoonist" as his evidence! You cannot make this shit up, but the cartoonist and his Chinese handlers did just that......

 

[L.K.Eder]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
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Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

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But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

VA patients probably already have compromised health

That was the primary problem, they were compromised. The second problem with their 11 person study is they used only Hydrcloriquine after the cytoplasm storm which made its use contraindicated. The third problem was the so called "control" group were being treated with Azithromycine, a known drug to fight COVID-19.

The study was a fraud or as virologist called it "scientific malpractice"... Its so bad that the VA is now recalling it...

cytoplasm storm, the USMB-expert queefs.

I see you have no formal training... keep it up....

please explain the cytoplasm storm to the class, perfessor.

 

[L.K.Eder]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

VA patients probably already have compromised health

That was the primary problem, they were compromised. The second problem with their 11 person study is they used only Hydrcloriquine after the cytoplasm storm which made its use contraindicated. The third problem was the so called "control" group were being treated with Azithromycine, a known drug to fight COVID-19.

The study was a fraud or as virologist called it "scientific malpractice"... Its so bad that the VA is now recalling it...

cytoplasm storm, the USMB-expert queefs.

I see you have no formal training... keep it up....

please explain the cytoplasm storm to the class, perfessor.

does a cytoplasm storm occur when there is a depression in the gogol apparatus? or if a positive and a negative misochordium are in juxtaposition to an epsilon semi moron, professor billyboob?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They cite CNN as thier SOURCE!

Falae.

And no amount of your cackling or screeching is going to prevent the inevitable.

 

[Wapasha]

So what is your point then? My point is that it hasn't been through any clinical trials.

Not one single treatment has been thru a trial yet. Trials can take six to 12 months, and then another trial will be required by another medical team. So if you are going to try and ban treatments because there haven't been any clinical trials completed, be prepared to see a lot of people die, who might have been saved.

HCQ is a very safe drug, as I've said we have had sixty years to determine what it's side effects are, which types of illnesses it might be effective for. It's about the safest drug we could be using in a trail, because unlike new drugs been tested where we do not yet know what the side effects might be, with HCQ we do know the side effects.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Folks this bot from China has linked to a radical leftist "cartoonist" as his evidence!

False.

That's now two embarrassing trump cultists that are too lazy to read the article and too stupid to understand it anyway.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not one single treatment has been thru a trial yet

False. The NY trial has been completed, and we await the published results.

 

[Wapasha]

You know, it doesn't take long to discredit that which has not been proven to be a final product. Among this group, 25 patients are now cured and 16 are still hospitalized (98% of patients cured so far). Poor clinical outcome was significantly associated to older age (OR 1.11), initial higher severity (OR 10.05) and low Do they know the exact age cut off? How are the 16 who are still hospitalized? Do you know? Do we know? No! Keep at it. And remember one thing, while your promoting your new found drug, most young patients recover without any treatment. Doesn't appear the drug does to well with old patients though. Keep trying.

Hah.

Sure.

Coming from someone who demands absolute perfection from studies he apparently doesn't read through.

"Huang et al. reported the clinical features and cytokine profile of critically ill patients with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, and suggested that a cytokine storm (i.e. higher concentrations of granulocyte-colony stimulating factor, interferon gamma-induced protein 10, monocyte chemoattractant protein 1, macrophage inflammatory protein 1α and tumour necrosis factor α) could be associated with the severity of disease."

Recently, chloroquine and its derivative hydroxychloroquine have been used in the treatment of COVID-19. In February 2020, results from more than 100 Chinese patients with COVID-19 showed that chloroquine phosphate had good efficacy [8]. French doctors conducted an open-label non-randomized clinical trial, and 20 patients with COVID-19 who received hydroxychloroquine treatment showed good efficacy [9]. Both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are weak bases and are able to accumulate in acidic organelles (e.g. lysosomes); as such, they can increase endosomal/lysosomal pH and inhibit viral replication [10]. In addition to their antimalarial and antiviral effects, their anti-inflammatory properties have been demonstrated in the treatment of autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus erythematosus. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine can inhibit major histocompatibility complex class II expression, antigen presentation and immune activation (reducing CD154 expression by T cells) via Toll-like receptor signalling and cGAS stimulation of interferon genes [11]. Thus, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine can reduce the production of various pro-inflammatory cytokines, such as IL-1, IL-6, interferon-α and tumour necrosis factor, which are involved in the cytokine storm [11]. These immunomodulatory effects synergize their antiviral effects in the treatment of COVID-19.

Immunomodulatory agents that directly target the key cytokines involved in COVID-19 may also help to alleviate hyperinflammation symptoms in severe cases [12]. Elevated levels of the inflammatory indicator IL-6 in the blood have been reported to be predictive of a fatal outcome in patients with COVID-19 [13]. Tocilizumab, a specific monoclonal antibody that blocks IL-6, has been recommended for use in severe or critically ill patients with extensive lesions in bilateral lungs and a confirmed elevated level of IL-6 in the Diagnosis and Treatment Protocol for Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia (Trial Version 7) issued by the National Health Commission of China [7]. A retrospective analysis on 20 severe cases of COVID-10 showed that treatment with tocilizumab led to a reduction in fever and lung lesion opacity, and recovered the percentage of lymphocytes in peripheral blood [14].

Cytokine storm and immunomodulatory therapy in COVID-19: Role of chloroquine and anti-IL-6 monoclonal antibodies - PMC

Discussion of the role of immunomodulatory agents to reduce the cytokine storm in severe cases of COVID-19. Potential immunomodulatory agents currently used in the treatment of COVID-19 (chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and tocilizumab) are ...

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Already read up on all that bud. And you aren't telling us anything more than you did in the beginning or what we didn't already know. You are promoting a work in process as a finished product. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Not everyone responds positively in the same way. That is the hoop you have to jump over.

Right, but even the drugs which have gone thru trials and proved to be an effective treatment, they may only successfully treat 40% or less of patients, and the other 60% saw no results.

 

[B. Kidd]

What a humongous fake study this turned out to be that was propagated by our humongous fake news industry!

 

[TemplarKormac]

On what grounds is it not useful

Let me clarify.
You cannot correctly claim it is useful, as there is no good evidence that it is useful.

You wouldn't know, you don't look for evidence that it isn't, you spew talking points instead.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You wouldn't know, you don't look for evidence that it isn't, you spew talking points instead

Your war on the english language aside, you seem confused about how the world works. To call it effective, there must be scientific evidence that it is effective.

 

[colfax_m]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

VA patients probably already have compromised health

That was the primary problem, they were compromised. The second problem with their 11 person study is they used only Hydrcloriquine after the cytoplasm storm which made its use contraindicated. The third problem was the so called "control" group were being treated with Azithromycine, a known drug to fight COVID-19.

The study was a fraud or as virologist called it "scientific malpractice"... Its so bad that the VA is now recalling it...

cytoplasm storm, the USMB-expert queefs.

I see you have no formal training... keep it up....

Do you?

When you said cytoplasm storm, did you mean cytokine storm?

 

[miketx]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

My co-worker's 40+ sister got C19, got a fever, took hydroxychloroquine for a week and recovered.
Any other bullshit in your pocket?

She got loads of it!

 

[miketx]

You wouldn't know, you don't look for evidence that it isn't, you spew talking points instead

Your war on the english language aside, you seem confused about how the world works. To call it effective, there must be scientific evidence that it is effective.

You ignore the evidence like always when it disagrees with your nonsense.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You wouldn't know, you don't look for evidence that it isn't, you spew talking points instead

Your war on the english language aside, you seem confused about how the world works. To call it effective, there must be scientific evidence that it is effective.

You ignore the evidence like always when it disagrees with your nonsense.

Cute whining!

But there really isn't any evidence. And the fellow cultist you are trying to be a human shield for cited a fraud as his only "evidence".

 

[miketx]

You wouldn't know, you don't look for evidence that it isn't, you spew talking points instead

Your war on the english language aside, you seem confused about how the world works. To call it effective, there must be scientific evidence that it is effective.

You ignore the evidence like always when it disagrees with your nonsense.

Cute whining!

But there really isn't any evidence. And the fellow cultist you are trying to be a human shield for cited a fraud as his only "evidence".

Sure there is. Many doctors have used it, according to reports, and it has shown to be effective in treating the disease. If you aren't familiar with which disease I speak of, it's the one you want to destroy this country.