Huge Solar Spill In Arizona

[Old Rocks]

Why are trains derailing and having accidents? Is our railway outdated? Are the railway carry cars not strong enough?

Why are their leaks in our pipelines? Are they outdated, rusting, not maintained? Could they be made safer and stronger?

Yes, on all questions. And, in spite of the billions of dollars in profits made quarterly, the energy corperations wil not upgrade either unless forced to do so.

 

[Old Rocks]

See how these AGW cult members prove they do not care about the environment.

Even if solar panels covered the entire desert it still would not replace fossil fuels..

OK, figures on the power output by burning coal and oil, compared to the amount of desert land and the output of present solar farms.

New Scientist Environment Blog Just how much land does solar power need - New Scientist

Well they are both off, but Ausubel is way, way off. If we assume a 1000 MWe electrical generation plant, and we assume it runs 24/7 for the entire year (no down time), then that plant will generate about 8.8 billion kilowatthours per year. So we need to calculate the size of a PV array that will generate the same kW-hrs.

Assuming the average US solar resource of 1800 kW-hr/m2-year [how much the sun shines] and a PV system efficiency of 10%, one square meter of PV would generate about 180 kW-hr/year. Therefore you would need about 48.7 million sq meters or 48.7 square kilometers. That?s 18.8 square miles.

For the sunny southwest, we have a yearly average solar resource of 2300 kWh/m2. Again assuming a 10% PV system efficiency, then that would produce about 230 kWh/m2-year. So for this array, you would need 38 million sq meters or 38 sq km. That is 14.7 square miles.

This is why it is so very important to be correct with the numbers - the future of our society depends on energy and we need to get this right! Also, PV has not been stagnating - current panel efficiency is running close to 15%, which will of course reduce those areas.

There are about 200,000 square miles of desert in the US.

Deserts of the World

Pretty easy to see that would be a lot of power. Consider that they are playing with some thin film panels that produce 40% in the lab, and there are other materials they are working on that have a theoritical limit of 60%. Solar is a winner.

 

[Old Rocks]

So when do you think they will have a solar 18 wheeler,how big of a sail would-it take to get a train up and over the Rockies?

They'll have batterie power 18 wheelers and trains. Oh'yesss, we already have a train! Low carbon battery-powered train carries first passengers Environment The Guardian

Thank you, Mathew. This is worth watching.

Low carbon battery-powered train carries first passengers Environment The Guardian

Network Rail said it will contribute to the company’s goal of reducing its environmental impact, improving sustainability and reducing the cost of running the railway by 20% over the next five years.

Should the trial prove successful, a fleet of battery-powered trains could be seen across the network, potentially providing a cost-effective and zero emission replacement for the diesel engines that are still commonly used on branch lines.

“We are always looking for ways to reduce the cost of running the railway and make it greener too,” said Network Rail principal engineer James Ambrose. “This project has the potential to contribute significantly towards both those goals.”

 

[Care4all]

Why are trains derailing and having accidents? Is our railway outdated? Are the railway carry cars not strong enough?

Why are their leaks in our pipelines? Are they outdated, rusting, not maintained? Could they be made safer and stronger?

Yes, on all questions. And, in spite of the billions of dollars in profits made quarterly, the energy corperations wil not upgrade either unless forced to do so.

Warren Buffet just bought 5000 new oil carrying cars, they are being made twice as thick as the ones being used now, and are suppose to be safer...

 

[Old Rocks]

Why are trains derailing and having accidents? Is our railway outdated? Are the railway carry cars not strong enough?

Why are their leaks in our pipelines? Are they outdated, rusting, not maintained? Could they be made safer and stronger?

Yes, on all questions. And, in spite of the billions of dollars in profits made quarterly, the energy corperations wil not upgrade either unless forced to do so.

Warren Buffet just bought 5000 new oil carrying cars, they are being made twice as thick as the ones being used now, and are suppose to be safer...

Good for him. Always liked that old man. Smart, too, because there will be new regulations because of the recent rash of accidents. And even if we go to all Electric Vehicles, we will still be using a lot of oil as industrial feedstock. So we do need a safer way of transporting that oil.

 

[chikenwing]

Why are trains derailing and having accidents? Is our railway outdated? Are the railway carry cars not strong enough?

Why are their leaks in our pipelines? Are they outdated, rusting, not maintained? Could they be made safer and stronger?

Yes, on all questions. And, in spite of the billions of dollars in profits made quarterly, the energy corperations wil not upgrade either unless forced to do so.

Warren Buffet just bought 5000 new oil carrying cars, they are being made twice as thick as the ones being used now, and are suppose to be safer...

Good for him. Always liked that old man. Smart, too, because there will be new regulations because of the recent rash of accidents. And even if we go to all Electric Vehicles, we will still be using a lot of oil as industrial feedstock. So we do need a safer way of transporting that oil.

Yep and those are called pipelines,not rolling trains

 

[chikenwing]

The last derail was with the new cars,how did that work out?

 

[Old Rocks]

Why are trains derailing and having accidents? Is our railway outdated? Are the railway carry cars not strong enough?

Why are their leaks in our pipelines? Are they outdated, rusting, not maintained? Could they be made safer and stronger?

Yes, on all questions. And, in spite of the billions of dollars in profits made quarterly, the energy corperations wil not upgrade either unless forced to do so.

Warren Buffet just bought 5000 new oil carrying cars, they are being made twice as thick as the ones being used now, and are suppose to be safer...

Good for him. Always liked that old man. Smart, too, because there will be new regulations because of the recent rash of accidents. And even if we go to all Electric Vehicles, we will still be using a lot of oil as industrial feedstock. So we do need a safer way of transporting that oil.

Yep and those are called pipelines,not rolling trains

But over 50% of our pipelines are so old that they run at less than 50% rated pressure. And the profits of the oil companies are just to slim to put down any new ones, right?

 

[Crick]

See how these AGW cult members prove they do not care about the environment.

Even if solar panels covered the entire desert it still would not replace fossil fuels..

And you wonder (I assume) why people so often comment on your ignorance.