How Ukraine can "Win" this War

[DGS49]

I hate to just throw an opinion out there, but here goes.

Russia and Ukraine are fighting two different wars right now. Ukraine is fighting a conventional war in which they kill as many enemy soldiers as possible and try to impede the Russian war machine by hitting refineries and transportation infrastructure. They are doing a great job of it, but Putin doesn't care. He just doesn't.

On the other side Russia is trying to deflate the morale of the Ukrainian people by hitting civilian targets and power plants and things of that nature that harm THE PEOPLE of Ukraine.

Ukraine has to start doing the same thing. Hit civilian targets, hit power plants, hot water treatment plants, hit schools when they are not in session...get the Russian people to oppose what Putin is doing.

Right now their pain is indirect and more a matter of inconvenience than actual pain. Make Russian civilians feel the pain.

Just my suggestion.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I hate to just throw an opinion out there, but here goes.

Russia and Ukraine are fighting two different wars right now. Ukraine is fighting a conventional war in which they kill as many enemy soldiers as possible and try to impede the Russian war machine by hitting refineries and transportation infrastructure. They are doing a great job of it, but Putin doesn't care. He just doesn't.

On the other side Russia is trying to deflate the morale of the Ukrainian people by hitting civilian targets and power plants and things of that nature that harm THE PEOPLE of Ukraine.

Ukraine has to start doing the same thing. Hit civilian targets, hit power plants, hot water treatment plants, hit schools when they are not in session...get the Russian people to oppose what Putin is doing.

Right now their pain is indirect and more a matter of inconvenience than actual pain. Make Russian civilians feel the pain.

Just my suggestion.

I don't think you're not watching the right war at all.

Russia has been replaying the 1943 Battle of Kursk for 4 years now.

But, because they probably get paid by the number of white Christian males they get killed, Zelensky continues to order Ukrainians to assault unassailable Russian fortifications.

The battle front has moves inexorably westward since Feb 2022.

Zelensky refuses to make peace because him and his people are making a bloody fortune on the war.

 

[martybegan]

I hate to just throw an opinion out there, but here goes.

Russia and Ukraine are fighting two different wars right now. Ukraine is fighting a conventional war in which they kill as many enemy soldiers as possible and try to impede the Russian war machine by hitting refineries and transportation infrastructure. They are doing a great job of it, but Putin doesn't care. He just doesn't.

On the other side Russia is trying to deflate the morale of the Ukrainian people by hitting civilian targets and power plants and things of that nature that harm THE PEOPLE of Ukraine.

Ukraine has to start doing the same thing. Hit civilian targets, hit power plants, hot water treatment plants, hit schools when they are not in session...get the Russian people to oppose what Putin is doing.

Right now their pain is indirect and more a matter of inconvenience than actual pain. Make Russian civilians feel the pain.

Just my suggestion.

The problem with Ukraine going more for civilians is Russia can double down on going after even more civilians.

 

[pknopp]

There is no way for either country to win this war.

 

[martybegan]

There is no way for either country to win this war.

If Russia gets to keep Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine, they win.

It's a pyrrhic victory, but a win.

 

[luiza]

There is no way for either country to win this war.

Not true .
Russia could "win" very quickly if it chose to .

But you punters never consider that both sides have prime allegiance to Deep State and that its " financial cash flow" greatly depends on having at least one good war running at all times .
Never under estimate the strength of Putin and Trumpfys joint allegiance to Chabad Fundamentalism .
At least for as long as it suits Russia's longer term thinking .

 

[DGS49]

You win a war by inflicting sufficient pain on your adversary that they are forced to "sue for peace." That's how it works. It worked against he Germans and Japanese in WWII.

Putin is feeling no pain, and that's why he is so intransigent. Make him feel pain and he will wilt. If the people turn against him, he will feel the pain. So far the Russian people have been inconvenienced. They need to feel pain.

 

[alang1216]

I hate to just throw an opinion out there, but here goes.

Russia and Ukraine are fighting two different wars right now. Ukraine is fighting a conventional war in which they kill as many enemy soldiers as possible and try to impede the Russian war machine by hitting refineries and transportation infrastructure. They are doing a great job of it, but Putin doesn't care. He just doesn't.

On the other side Russia is trying to deflate the morale of the Ukrainian people by hitting civilian targets and power plants and things of that nature that harm THE PEOPLE of Ukraine.

Ukraine has to start doing the same thing. Hit civilian targets, hit power plants, hot water treatment plants, hit schools when they are not in session...get the Russian people to oppose what Putin is doing.

Right now their pain is indirect and more a matter of inconvenience than actual pain. Make Russian civilians feel the pain.

Just my suggestion.

Logical plan but it has been tried over and over again and has always failed. Hitler tried it then Britain tried it and both failed.

 

[DGS49]

My theory is that NATO and Trump's "people" are telling Ukraine that attacking civilian targets "crosses a line" that civilized countries decline to cross.

It's time to abandon simple civility.

 

[luiza]

Daily top line reports are just like these .
It literally is a massacre .
There simply is no way Ukraine can win--- no men , no equipment and no allies with money .

And both the US and Europe know there is no way they can defend against Oreshnik missiles if they dare to cross inviolate Red Lines .

"V putj " , as they say

The situation in the Ukrainian SMO on February 06 2026..​

Pokrovsk Counteroffensive Collapses — Russian Army Pushes Toward Dobropillia Once More

According to sources, Zelensky is well aware of the real losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the frontline, and all his statements should be interpreted as part of an information war. The authorities in Banks want to classify any data related to dead and missing soldiers after the end of the conflict, as the figure will trigger a public outcry.

The situation in the Ukrainian SMO on February 05 2026..​

RUAF Capture Staroukrainka, Zatyshok, Sukhetske & Intensify Bombing Campaign Over Kostyantynivka

Konstantinovka Encircled: Russian Army Seizes Key Village, Ukrainian Forces in Panic

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My theory is that NATO and Trump's "people" are telling Ukraine that attacking civilian targets "crosses a line" that civilized countries decline to cross.

It's time to abandon simple civility.

Good plan

Russia will be on the Polish border by April/May

 

[JWBooth]

The notion of the Ukes winning in this conflict is a peyote induced fantasy.

 

[JWBooth]

Good plan

Russia will be on the Polish border by April/May

They haven’t shown themselves to be in that big of a hurry.

 

[Zavulon]

In the early days of SMO, when it became clear that West decided to defend Ukraine, there was suggested a list of possible definitions of terms of victory, given that Ukraine is just a battlefield beween Russia and West, and the war will be ended by negotiations:
1. If we are talking about regime change in Europe/America - Russia won by knockout.
2. If we are talking about regime change in Kiev - Russia won.
3. If we are talking about borders inside former Ukraine - we are drawn.
4. If we are talking talking about returning to 1991 borders - the West win.
5. If we are talking about regime change in Moscow - the West win by knockout.


RIght now, nobody talks about 1991 borders or regime change in Moscow, so, at least, Moscow didn't lose. More likely, after elections there will be pretty new, more realistic and pro-Russian government, and it will be considered as Russia's victory. Can we consider Biden's defeat and Trump's election as "regime change" and "victory by knockout"? It's disscutable question.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Ringo]

 

[alang1216]

In the early days of SMO, when it became clear that West decided to defend Ukraine, there was suggested a list of possible definitions of terms of victory, given that Ukraine is just a battlefield beween Russia and West, and the war will be ended by negotiations:
1. If we are talking about regime change in Europe/America - Russia won by knockout.
2. If we are talking about regime change in Kiev - Russia won.
3. If we are talking about borders inside former Ukraine - we are drawn.
4. If we are talking talking about returning to 1991 borders - the West win.
5. If we are talking about regime change in Moscow - the West win by knockout.


RIght now, nobody talks about 1991 borders or regime change in Moscow, so, at least, Moscow didn't lose. More likely, after elections there will be pretty new, more realistic and pro-Russian government, and it will be considered as Russia's victory. Can we consider Biden's defeat and Trump's election as "regime change" and "victory by knockout"? It's disscutable question.

Russia has shown it can't beat Ukraine so long as Western democracies stand by it. Russia is losing the war of attrition so Ukraine will win by not losing.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia has shown it can't beat Ukraine so long as Western democracies stand by it. Russia is losing the war of attrition so Ukraine will win by not losing.

Of course Russia can beat them and Russia is beating them. American crisis of affordability and European deindustrialization and migration crisis are result (among other things) of this "war of attrition". And Ukraine already lost. Whoever wins, Ukraine won't exist as an independent power.

And now, many US allies, watching the fate of Ukraine, don't ask question "Should we ask Americans to defend us?" (the answer is already clear for any reasonable person). They ask question "What we can do to not allow Americans defend us?".

 

[alang1216]

Of course Russia can beat them and Russia is beating them. American crisis of affordability and European deindustrialization and migration crisis are result (among other things) of this "war of attrition". And Ukraine already lost. Whoever wins, Ukraine won't exist as an independent power.

Wrong so I'll take that bet. My view from the USA is that this "war of attrition" has absolutely no impact on the US economy. We could support 5 Ukraines and not feel a financial pinch. Neither Ukraine nor Russia really matter to us.

And now, many US allies, watching the fate of Ukraine, don't ask question "Should we ask Americans to defend us?" (the answer is already clear for any reasonable person). They ask question "What we can do to not allow Americans defend us?".

Correct. Once Trump is gone it will take us a generation to get back to where we were.

 

[Zavulon]

Wrong so I'll take that bet. My view from the USA is that this "war of attrition" has absolutely no impact on the US economy. We could support 5 Ukraines and not feel a financial pinch. Neither Ukraine nor Russia really matter to us.

Just watch the charts of US National Debt. And with money printer going mad, it's just a matter of time (and de-dollarisation of the world's economy) when your Ponzi scheme is going to collapse.

Correct. Once Trump is gone it will take us a generation to get back to where we were.

If the next President won't face hyperinflation, financial collapse or a large-scale war.