How To "Free Palestine"

[Eloy]

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none.

Oh, you mean like Israel.

No, Muslims are not treated as equal to Jews in Israel, including Sumeria and Judea.

 

[Shusha]

No, Muslims are not treated as equal to Jews in Israel, including Sumeria and Judea.

So you are saying that Judea and Samaria belong to Israel?!

 

[Eloy]

No, Muslims are not treated as equal to Jews in Israel, including Sumeria and Judea.

So you are saying that Judea and Samaria belong to Israel?!

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel. I recommend you talk to any Israeli.

 

[Shusha]

Spain does not call itself a Spanish state. Such language is a tautological fallacy.

Then Israel shouldn't have to make any comment about it being a state for the Jewish people. Its inherent in the name. Same as Spain. Israel shouldn't have to call itself a Jewish state, as that would be redundant, as you pointed out.

 

[Eloy]

Spain does not call itself a Spanish state. Such language is a tautological fallacy.

Then Israel shouldn't have to make any comment about it being a state for the Jewish people. Its inherent in the name. Same as Spain. Israel shouldn't have to call itself a Jewish state, as that would be redundant, as you pointed out.

No, Spain is not a Catholic state.

 

[Shusha]

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel.

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I have always said that a secular democratic state for all the inhabitants of Palestine/Israel would be the solution. That's what the Muslims and Christians have wanted since the Mandate was signed in the 20s.

You must know that the Israelis want their country to be exclusively Jewish and they also want the Palestinian Territories to be part of Israel. Logically this means modern Israel is to be an apartheid state. Perhaps then the world will isolate the Zionist state as it did to white rule in South Africa.

Ah no. They don't want their country to be exclusively Jewish. And here's the proof: its been nearly a hundred years and its NOT exclusively Jewish. Go ahead and contrast that to every other country in the ME -- including the PA- and Hamas-governed territory.

Oh! Here I was under the impression that Israel wants to be known as a Jewish state. I do not know where I could have got that idea from.

Here I had the impression that all European and South, Central and North American
countries, and Australia and New Zealand, and.......wanted to be known as Christian Countries.

Here I had the impression that all the Arab countries, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc.....wanted to be known as Muslim Countries.

And here I had the impression that India was known as a Hindu Country.


Imagine that !!

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none. Israel cannot in any sense be regarded as a modern democracy.

Because you have been to Israel many times and experienced it yourself.

Share your journal with us.

 

[Shusha]

Spain does not call itself a Spanish state. Such language is a tautological fallacy.

Then Israel shouldn't have to make any comment about it being a state for the Jewish people. Its inherent in the name. Same as Spain. Israel shouldn't have to call itself a Jewish state, as that would be redundant, as you pointed out.

No, Spain is not a Catholic state.

Ah, so you are one of the Jewish-people-are-only-a-religion-and-not-a-people crowd. Its a bad analogy. A better one would be to compare to the Jewish and Arab Palestinian people to the Spanish and Catalan people -- they both have distinct languages, histories and cultures.

So why are the Catalan people prohibited from having a state?

 

[Eloy]

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel.

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

No. I understand what Israelis aspire to. Their occupation of the Palestinian Territories are de facto part of Israel.
Since the Israelis have no respect for international law, the de jure status is of no consequence.

 

[Eloy]

Spain does not call itself a Spanish state. Such language is a tautological fallacy.

Then Israel shouldn't have to make any comment about it being a state for the Jewish people. Its inherent in the name. Same as Spain. Israel shouldn't have to call itself a Jewish state, as that would be redundant, as you pointed out.

No, Spain is not a Catholic state.

Ah, so you are one of the Jewish-people-are-only-a-religion-and-not-a-people crowd. Its a bad analogy. A better one would be to compare to the Jewish and Arab Palestinian people to the Spanish and Catalan people -- they both have distinct languages, histories and cultures.

So why are the Catalan people prohibited from having a state?

Catalonia's political status is a matter of dispute. Currently, the Spanish government insists that for Catalonia to become independent, a national referendum throughout all of Spain must approve. This is unlikely. A similar status is like that of Scotland which had a referendum on independence from England recently which narrowly lost.

 

[Eloy]

You must know that the Israelis want their country to be exclusively Jewish and they also want the Palestinian Territories to be part of Israel. Logically this means modern Israel is to be an apartheid state. Perhaps then the world will isolate the Zionist state as it did to white rule in South Africa.

Ah no. They don't want their country to be exclusively Jewish. And here's the proof: its been nearly a hundred years and its NOT exclusively Jewish. Go ahead and contrast that to every other country in the ME -- including the PA- and Hamas-governed territory.

Oh! Here I was under the impression that Israel wants to be known as a Jewish state. I do not know where I could have got that idea from.

Here I had the impression that all European and South, Central and North American
countries, and Australia and New Zealand, and.......wanted to be known as Christian Countries.

Here I had the impression that all the Arab countries, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc.....wanted to be known as Muslim Countries.

And here I had the impression that India was known as a Hindu Country.


Imagine that !!

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none. Israel cannot in any sense be regarded as a modern democracy.

Because you have been to Israel many times and experienced it yourself.

Share your journal with us.

No, I have not been to Israel, including Sumeria and Judea.

 

[Shusha]

Spain does not call itself a Spanish state. Such language is a tautological fallacy.

Then Israel shouldn't have to make any comment about it being a state for the Jewish people. Its inherent in the name. Same as Spain. Israel shouldn't have to call itself a Jewish state, as that would be redundant, as you pointed out.

No, Spain is not a Catholic state.

Ah, so you are one of the Jewish-people-are-only-a-religion-and-not-a-people crowd. Its a bad analogy. A better one would be to compare to the Jewish and Arab Palestinian people to the Spanish and Catalan people -- they both have distinct languages, histories and cultures.

So why are the Catalan people prohibited from having a state?

Catalonia's political status is a matter of dispute. Currently, the Spanish government insists that for Catalonia to become independent, a national referendum throughout all of Spain must approve. This is unlikely. A similar status is like that of Scotland which had a referendum on independence from England recently which narrowly lost.

Thank you! So we agree that there is no reason why the Catalans should be prohibited from creating a state for their people, yes? Same as Scotland, Pakistan, India, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Shusha]

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel.

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

No. I understand what Israelis aspire to. Their occupation of the Palestinian Territories are de facto part of Israel.
Since the Israelis have no respect for international law, the de jure status is of no consequence.

So you think we should just give up on the idea of Arab Palestinian self-determination and self-government and just turn it all over to Israel?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I have always said that a secular democratic state for all the inhabitants of Palestine/Israel would be the solution. That's what the Muslims and Christians have wanted since the Mandate was signed in the 20s.

You must know that the Israelis want their country to be exclusively Jewish and they also want the Palestinian Territories to be part of Israel. Logically this means modern Israel is to be an apartheid state. Perhaps then the world will isolate the Zionist state as it did to white rule in South Africa.

Ah no. They don't want their country to be exclusively Jewish. And here's the proof: its been nearly a hundred years and its NOT exclusively Jewish. Go ahead and contrast that to every other country in the ME -- including the PA- and Hamas-governed territory.

Oh! Here I was under the impression that Israel wants to be known as a Jewish state. I do not know where I could have got that idea from.

Here I had the impression that all European and South, Central and North American
countries, and Australia and New Zealand, and.......wanted to be known as Christian Countries.

Here I had the impression that all the Arab countries, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc.....wanted to be known as Muslim Countries.

And here I had the impression that India was known as a Hindu Country.


Imagine that !!

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none. Israel cannot in any sense be regarded as a modern democracy.

Ah no. They don't want their country to be exclusively Jewish. And here's the proof: its been nearly a hundred years and its NOT exclusively Jewish. Go ahead and contrast that to every other country in the ME -- including the PA- and Hamas-governed territory.

Oh! Here I was under the impression that Israel wants to be known as a Jewish state. I do not know where I could have got that idea from.

Here I had the impression that all European and South, Central and North American
countries, and Australia and New Zealand, and.......wanted to be known as Christian Countries.

Here I had the impression that all the Arab countries, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc.....wanted to be known as Muslim Countries.

And here I had the impression that India was known as a Hindu Country.


Imagine that !!

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none. Israel cannot in any sense be regarded as a modern democracy.

Because you have been to Israel many times and experienced it yourself.

Share your journal with us.

No, I have not been to Israel, including Sumeria and Judea.

Yes, it's very obvious from your posts that you've never been to Israel.

 

[Eloy]

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel.

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

No. I understand what Israelis aspire to. Their occupation of the Palestinian Territories are de facto part of Israel.
Since the Israelis have no respect for international law, the de jure status is of no consequence.

So you think we should just give up on the idea of Arab Palestinian self-determination and self-government and just turn it all over to Israel?

Yes, I believe it is better for Israel, including Sumeria and Judea, to attempt the one-state solution. The inevitable apartheid state will have within its people, both Jews and Arabs, its own transformation from a Jewish state to a modern democracy where all its citizens will enjoy equality..

 

[Eloy]

You must know that the Israelis want their country to be exclusively Jewish and they also want the Palestinian Territories to be part of Israel. Logically this means modern Israel is to be an apartheid state. Perhaps then the world will isolate the Zionist state as it did to white rule in South Africa.

Ah no. They don't want their country to be exclusively Jewish. And here's the proof: its been nearly a hundred years and its NOT exclusively Jewish. Go ahead and contrast that to every other country in the ME -- including the PA- and Hamas-governed territory.

Oh! Here I was under the impression that Israel wants to be known as a Jewish state. I do not know where I could have got that idea from.

Here I had the impression that all European and South, Central and North American
countries, and Australia and New Zealand, and.......wanted to be known as Christian Countries.

Here I had the impression that all the Arab countries, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc.....wanted to be known as Muslim Countries.

And here I had the impression that India was known as a Hindu Country.


Imagine that !!

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none. Israel cannot in any sense be regarded as a modern democracy.

Oh! Here I was under the impression that Israel wants to be known as a Jewish state. I do not know where I could have got that idea from.

Here I had the impression that all European and South, Central and North American
countries, and Australia and New Zealand, and.......wanted to be known as Christian Countries.

Here I had the impression that all the Arab countries, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc.....wanted to be known as Muslim Countries.

And here I had the impression that India was known as a Hindu Country.


Imagine that !!

Modern democracies are secular and treat all their citizens as equal regardless of their religion or none. Israel cannot in any sense be regarded as a modern democracy.

Because you have been to Israel many times and experienced it yourself.

Share your journal with us.

No, I have not been to Israel, including Sumeria and Judea.

Yes, it's very obvious from your posts that you've never been to Israel.

Oh! The power of books and learning!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel.

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

No. I understand what Israelis aspire to. Their occupation of the Palestinian Territories are de facto part of Israel.
Since the Israelis have no respect for international law, the de jure status is of no consequence.

So you think we should just give up on the idea of Arab Palestinian self-determination and self-government and just turn it all over to Israel?

Yes, I believe it is better for Israel, including Sumeria and Judea, to attempt the one-state solution. The inevitable apartheid state will have within its people, both Jews and Arabs, its own transformation from a Jewish state to a modern democracy where all its citizens will enjoy equality..

Oh, wait. Do you mean that it is not an Apartheid State NOW !!!!
As so many people say?
As so many Apartheid Week in the US and UK say?

All the wrong books and articles and videos, will never tell you like it is unless you get yourself to Israel and see it for yourself.

Like this guy:

Nicky Larkin: Israel is a refuge, but a refuge under siege - Independent.ie


You wish honesty about Israel and the Palestinians, you need to go and check it for yourself, as many have done.

Will you be of the same mind after you return home?

 

[Eloy]

Of course Sumeria and Judea are part of Israel.

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

No. I understand what Israelis aspire to. Their occupation of the Palestinian Territories are de facto part of Israel.
Since the Israelis have no respect for international law, the de jure status is of no consequence.

So you think we should just give up on the idea of Arab Palestinian self-determination and self-government and just turn it all over to Israel?

Yes, I believe it is better for Israel, including Sumeria and Judea, to attempt the one-state solution. The inevitable apartheid state will have within its people, both Jews and Arabs, its own transformation from a Jewish state to a modern democracy where all its citizens will enjoy equality..

Oh, wait. Do you mean that it is not an Apartheid State NOW !!!!
As so many people say?
As so many Apartheid Week in the US and UK say?

All the wrong books and articles and videos, will never tell you like it is unless you get yourself to Israel and see it for yourself.

Like this guy:

Nicky Larkin: Israel is a refuge, but a refuge under siege - Independent.ie


You wish honesty about Israel and the Palestinians, you need to go and check it for yourself, as many have done.

Will you be of the same mind after you return home?

Of course Israel is an apartheid state now and it will be more so by the annexation of the Palestinian Territories, so much so that the world will take heed.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Wait, what?! Let me re-phrase the question to be sure I understand you perfectly. Are there any parts of the territory in question which are NOT part of Israel? If so, which? Please be specific.

No. I understand what Israelis aspire to. Their occupation of the Palestinian Territories are de facto part of Israel.
Since the Israelis have no respect for international law, the de jure status is of no consequence.

So you think we should just give up on the idea of Arab Palestinian self-determination and self-government and just turn it all over to Israel?

Yes, I believe it is better for Israel, including Sumeria and Judea, to attempt the one-state solution. The inevitable apartheid state will have within its people, both Jews and Arabs, its own transformation from a Jewish state to a modern democracy where all its citizens will enjoy equality..

Oh, wait. Do you mean that it is not an Apartheid State NOW !!!!
As so many people say?
As so many Apartheid Week in the US and UK say?

All the wrong books and articles and videos, will never tell you like it is unless you get yourself to Israel and see it for yourself.

Like this guy:

Nicky Larkin: Israel is a refuge, but a refuge under siege - Independent.ie


You wish honesty about Israel and the Palestinians, you need to go and check it for yourself, as many have done.

Will you be of the same mind after you return home?

Of course Israel is an apartheid state now and it will be more so by the annexation of the Palestinian Territories, so much so that the world will take heed.

Of course!

If it says so in your books ! etc.....

If it says so, it must be so !!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Free Palestine !

Of the endless ignorance surrounding the Israeli-Arab conflict.

10 Reasons Israel Is Not An 'Apartheid' State