How much does an armed citizenry save a country? This much......

[2aguy]

A couple of breakdowns of how many lives are saved each year, on average, by armed Americans, and how much money is saved because Americans can use guns to stop criminals....in response to the bullshit from anti-gun extremists on how much criminals cost us because they shoot each other....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct

There are roughly 100,000 people shot in the United States yearly, and something over 30,000 die. If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

 

[rightwinger]

Fantasy

Notice how few were actually reported to police or had eyewitness support.
They are mostly….I showed my gun and the bad guy ran away

 

[candycorn]

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

30,000 gun deaths mean nothing to you. Got it.

Other nations have all of the benefits of a free society without the "dwarfed" costs of 30,000 dead countrymen. Why is that?

 

[Blues Man]

Fantasy

Notice how few were actually reported to police or had eyewitness support.
They are mostly….I showed my gun and the bad guy ran away

Yeah it's weird how when a crime doesn;t actually occur that it doesn't get reported

 

[Blues Man]

30,000 gun deaths mean nothing to you. Got it.

Other nations have all of the benefits of a free society without the "dwarfed" costs of 30,000 dead countrymen. Why is that?

Why do you insist in including suicides?

Everyone has the right to delete themselves if they want to.

Other countries that have draconian gun laws have suicides rates that are comparable or even higher than the US how do you explain that?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

30,000 gun deaths mean nothing to you. Got it.

Other nations have all of the benefits of a free society without the "dwarfed" costs of 30,000 dead countrymen. Why is that?

Progressives leaders killed over 100 million of their own citizens

 

[candycorn]

Why do you insist in including suicides?

Everyone has the right to delete themselves if they want to.

Other countries that have draconian gun laws have suicides rates that are comparable or even higher than the US how do you explain that?

Because firearms are effective like 9 out of 10 times when one attempts suicide. If we didn't have firearms, we'd have a lot more whole families.

 

[candycorn]

Progressives leaders killed over 100 million of their own citizens

Nonsense.

But do you have any data from this century?

 

[Blues Man]

Because firearms are effective like 9 out of 10 times when one attempts suicide. If we didn't have firearms, we'd have a lot more whole families.

So what?

People have the absolute right to delete themselves do they not?

 

[hadit]

Fantasy

Notice how few were actually reported to police or had eyewitness support.
They are mostly….I showed my gun and the bad guy ran away

And that is the best DGU of all. No one gets hurt and the gun doesn't even get fired.

 

[hadit]

Because firearms are effective like 9 out of 10 times when one attempts suicide. If we didn't have firearms, we'd have a lot more whole families.

Did you miss the part where they have very similar suicide rates? They just use other methods.

 

[Hellokitty]

Because firearms are effective like 9 out of 10 times when one attempts suicide. If we didn't have firearms, we'd have a lot more whole families.

I thought liberals supported my body my choice?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nonsense.

But do you have any data from this century?

You want "sensible gun control" like Hitler, Stalin and Mao, right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

A couple of breakdowns of how many lives are saved each year, on average, by armed Americans, and how much money is saved because Americans can use guns to stop criminals....in response to the bullshit from anti-gun extremists on how much criminals cost us because they shoot each other....

All well and good, but...
The right to keep and bear arms is not subject to means-end tests.
That is...
The right to keep and bear arms may not be restricted due to some cost/benefit ratio.

 

[2aguy]

All well and good, but...
The right to keep and bear arms is not subject to means-end tests.
That is...
The right to keep and bear arms may not be restricted due to some cost/benefit ratio.

Yeah, not trying to justify it, just pointing out to uninformed people that the lies the anti-gun extremists tell are just that, lies. There are also two sides to the gun equation, and most people only hear the anti-gun side. This information can help short circuit their automatic support of nice sounding B.S. from the anti-gun extremists.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A couple of breakdowns of how many lives are saved each year, on average, by armed Americans, and how much money is saved because Americans can use guns to stop criminals....in response to the bullshit from anti-gun extremists on how much criminals cost us because they shoot each other....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct

There are roughly 100,000 people shot in the United States yearly, and something over 30,000 die. If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Where the Mind Is Straitjacketed

Nothing on this thread about all the unarmed Israelis just got murdered. The college-"educated," and those who listen to them, can't make logical connections.

 

[Weatherman2020]

30,000 gun deaths mean nothing to you. Got it.

Other nations have all of the benefits of a free society without the "dwarfed" costs of 30,000 dead countrymen. Why is that?

Is that why Democrats have released over a hundred thousand violent felons from prison early the past few years? Concern about violent crime?

 

[Billo_Really]

A couple of breakdowns of how many lives are saved each year, on average, by armed Americans, and how much money is saved because Americans can use guns to stop criminals....in response to the bullshit from anti-gun extremists on how much criminals cost us because they shoot each other....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct

There are roughly 100,000 people shot in the United States yearly, and something over 30,000 die. If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Spare us the data dump?

 

[2aguy]

Spare us the data dump?

Then don't post stupid crap that is false.......I won't have to correct your posts....

 

[Billo_Really]

Then don't post stupid crap that is false.......I won't have to correct your posts....

What did I post that was crap?