How much can renewable energy save us?

[danielpalos]

Only the right wing, is that fantastical. Our patent laws are both an income transfer and a subsidy that promotes that public policy.

Our Congress has the power to tax to raise money for patent law enforcement. It is not free.

The right wing only knows how to project, spend, and finance.

Our patent laws are both an income transfer and a subsidy

It doesn't fit the definition of subsidy.
How does it fit income transfer?

It is not free.

I know, it pays for itself a thousand times over.

The right wing only knows how to project, spend, and finance.

Which makes them so much more knowledgeable than you.

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy, along with public policy. Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

Only because of that legal preference, via command economics.

spend and finance is not difficult; taxing and spending require some planning.

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy

In economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system. These payments are considered to be non-exhaustive because they do not directly absorb resources or create output. In other words, the transfer is made without any exchange of goods or services.[1] Examples of certain transfer payments include welfare (financial aid), social security, and government making subsidies for certain businesses (firms).

The government isn't transferring money by granting a patent.
It doesn't fit the definition. So not a subsidy, not an income transfer.

Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

No.
Enforcement of patents is a constitutionally allowed government expense.
It's not a subsidy.

Yes, it is: it is a form of subsidy via the socialism of the law.

in economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system.

Subsidy: a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Nope. Obviously.

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Our patent laws are both an income transfer and a subsidy

It doesn't fit the definition of subsidy.
How does it fit income transfer?

It is not free.

I know, it pays for itself a thousand times over.

The right wing only knows how to project, spend, and finance.

Which makes them so much more knowledgeable than you.

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy, along with public policy. Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

Only because of that legal preference, via command economics.

spend and finance is not difficult; taxing and spending require some planning.

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy

In economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system. These payments are considered to be non-exhaustive because they do not directly absorb resources or create output. In other words, the transfer is made without any exchange of goods or services.[1] Examples of certain transfer payments include welfare (financial aid), social security, and government making subsidies for certain businesses (firms).

The government isn't transferring money by granting a patent.
It doesn't fit the definition. So not a subsidy, not an income transfer.

Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

No.
Enforcement of patents is a constitutionally allowed government expense.
It's not a subsidy.

Yes, it is: it is a form of subsidy via the socialism of the law.

in economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system.

Subsidy: a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Nope. Obviously.

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

So that we get more public policy?

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy, along with public policy. Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

Only because of that legal preference, via command economics.

spend and finance is not difficult; taxing and spending require some planning.

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy

In economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system. These payments are considered to be non-exhaustive because they do not directly absorb resources or create output. In other words, the transfer is made without any exchange of goods or services.[1] Examples of certain transfer payments include welfare (financial aid), social security, and government making subsidies for certain businesses (firms).

The government isn't transferring money by granting a patent.
It doesn't fit the definition. So not a subsidy, not an income transfer.

Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

No.
Enforcement of patents is a constitutionally allowed government expense.
It's not a subsidy.

Yes, it is: it is a form of subsidy via the socialism of the law.

in economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system.

Subsidy: a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Nope. Obviously.

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

So that we get more public policy?

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, it does. an income transfer can be a subsidy

In economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system. These payments are considered to be non-exhaustive because they do not directly absorb resources or create output. In other words, the transfer is made without any exchange of goods or services.[1] Examples of certain transfer payments include welfare (financial aid), social security, and government making subsidies for certain businesses (firms).

The government isn't transferring money by granting a patent.
It doesn't fit the definition. So not a subsidy, not an income transfer.

Enforcement is the cost of that subsidy.

No.
Enforcement of patents is a constitutionally allowed government expense.
It's not a subsidy.

Yes, it is: it is a form of subsidy via the socialism of the law.

in economics, a transfer payment (or government transfer or simply transfer) is a redistribution of income in the market system.

Subsidy: a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Nope. Obviously.

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

So that we get more public policy?

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

 

[Old Rocks]

The wind turbines are making money, as are the photovoltaics. I think that with the advent of the cheap grid scale batteries, units like Ivanpah will be in the same boat as the fossil fuels and nukes. Too expensive.

 

[mamooth]

Indiana Republicans propose forcibly stealing rooftop solar power. This is why better batteries matter. If it never goes to the grid, the utilities can't legally steal it from you.

New Indiana bill to eliminate net metering and replace with ‘sell all, buy all’ system
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SB 309 sets out to replace net metering with a system that would require solar consumers to sell all the energy they produce to the utility, at a lower wholesale rate of around US$0.03/kWh, and then purchase it back from the utility at the higher retail rate of around US$0.11/kWh. The balance would go towards the utility's cost of maintaining the grid.
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A small surcharge for grid maintenance is reasonable for utilities to charge rooftop solar installations. Forcing homeowners to be unpaid power generators for the utilities is unjustifiable by any standard, other than Republican crook standards.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, it is: it is a form of subsidy via the socialism of the law.

Subsidy: a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Nope. Obviously.

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

So that we get more public policy?

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

Protection money? We pay taxes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Subsidy: a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Nope. Obviously.

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

So that we get more public policy?

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

Protection money? We pay taxes.

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

 

[danielpalos]

Our patent laws subsidize our public policies so that we get more of it.

So that we get more public policy?

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

Protection money? We pay taxes.

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So that we get more public policy?

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

Protection money? We pay taxes.

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

 

[danielpalos]

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

Protection money? We pay taxes.

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No mention of a sum of money granted by government. Because it's not a subsidy.

Protection money? We pay taxes.

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

Yes, without being a subsidy.

 

[danielpalos]

Protection money? We pay taxes.

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

Yes, without being a subsidy.

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Taxes are not a subsidy for patents.

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

Yes, without being a subsidy.

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

 

[danielpalos]

they are for government protection of their "intellectual property" from privateers.

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

Yes, without being a subsidy.

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear; how much will a patent holder make, without government?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If the government protects my property from thieves, for instance by arresting someone who steals my car,
is that is a subsidy for car ownership?

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

Yes, without being a subsidy.

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear; how much will a patent holder make, without government?

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear;

The market isn't handing government money to the patent holder.

how much will a patent holder make, without government

You mean if the government doesn't stop North Korea from invading and killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop an asteroid from killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't enforce building codes so his home doesn't collapse and kill him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop Mad Max gangs from raping and killing him?

Are those things also subsidies?

 

[danielpalos]

it is a cost of Government. Private enforcement may be impossible.

Yes, without being a subsidy.

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear; how much will a patent holder make, without government?

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear;

The market isn't handing government money to the patent holder.

how much will a patent holder make, without government

You mean if the government doesn't stop North Korea from invading and killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop an asteroid from killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't enforce building codes so his home doesn't collapse and kill him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop Mad Max gangs from raping and killing him?

Are those things also subsidies?

It is socialism bailing out capitalism. Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, without being a subsidy.

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear; how much will a patent holder make, without government?

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear;

The market isn't handing government money to the patent holder.

how much will a patent holder make, without government

You mean if the government doesn't stop North Korea from invading and killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop an asteroid from killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't enforce building codes so his home doesn't collapse and kill him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop Mad Max gangs from raping and killing him?

Are those things also subsidies?

It is socialism bailing out capitalism. Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

It is socialism bailing out capitalism.

No, it's government carrying out a Constitutional duty.
And it's not a subsidy.

Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

Many Third World economies happen by socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

How much tax does any inventor pay? Does it cover all the costs? If not, why is the right wing not claiming welfare addiction.

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear; how much will a patent holder make, without government?

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear;

The market isn't handing government money to the patent holder.

how much will a patent holder make, without government

You mean if the government doesn't stop North Korea from invading and killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop an asteroid from killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't enforce building codes so his home doesn't collapse and kill him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop Mad Max gangs from raping and killing him?

Are those things also subsidies?

It is socialism bailing out capitalism. Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

It is socialism bailing out capitalism.

No, it's government carrying out a Constitutional duty.
And it's not a subsidy.

Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

Many Third World economies happen by socialism.

You are under the mistaken belief, that to "subsidize" something, means Only to make cash payments. I know how to use a dictionary.

No, third world economies don't happen by socialism; that is second world economies; third world economies are mostly "capitalist".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear; how much will a patent holder make, without government?

How much cash does the government hand to a patent holder?

Whatever the market will bear;

The market isn't handing government money to the patent holder.

how much will a patent holder make, without government

You mean if the government doesn't stop North Korea from invading and killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop an asteroid from killing him?
You mean if the government doesn't enforce building codes so his home doesn't collapse and kill him?
You mean if the government doesn't stop Mad Max gangs from raping and killing him?

Are those things also subsidies?

It is socialism bailing out capitalism. Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

It is socialism bailing out capitalism.

No, it's government carrying out a Constitutional duty.
And it's not a subsidy.

Our First World economy doesn't happen by pure capitalism.

Many Third World economies happen by socialism.

You are under the mistaken belief, that to "subsidize" something, means Only to make cash payments. I know how to use a dictionary.

No, third world economies don't happen by socialism; that is second world economies; third world economies are mostly "capitalist".

You are under the mistaken belief, that to "subsidize" something, means Only to make cash payments.

a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

LOL!

I know how to use a dictionary.

Great. Find a word that fits. Post it here.