Wyatt earp
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I know I went with the wrong argument..
California 40 million people
53 representative = 1 per 767,000
Wyoming 600,000 people
1 representative = 1 per 600,000
.
How many seats will California lose if:
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I know I went with the wrong argument..
California 40 million people
53 representative = 1 per 767,000
Wyoming 600,000 people
1 representative = 1 per 600,000
.
Harry Dresden
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The Reps will say ANYTHING to get what they want.
so will democrats....
OldLady
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You sure? I don't think the # of seats a state sends to Congress has changed since the 1930's.
Wyatt earp
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danielpalos
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we should be solving this issue at the border, not the interior.
Bootney Lee Farnsworth
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They don't. You have not considered how the founders set it up.
The House is elected based on population of each state. The Senate is equal for all states. The President is elected by electoral votes based on a hybrid of the methods used to elect Reps an Senators. It is the only fair way to do it under our current system.
If you want to change it, go for it, but we have a huge number of amendments we would like to make at at the same time.
Here are a few I have stolen from Randy Barrett (not mine, but people have assumed they are mine and dismissed them):
The Case for a Federalism Amendment
Randy Barnett - Wikipedia
Amendment I – Restrictions on Tax Powers of Congress
Section 1. Congress shall make no law laying or collecting taxes upon incomes, gifts, or estates, or upon aggregate consumption or expenditures; but Congress shall have power to levy a uniform tax on the sale of goods or services.
Section 2. Any imposition of or increase in a tax, duty, impost or excise shall require the approval of three-fifths of the House of Representatives and three-fifths of the Senate, and shall separately be presented to the President of the United States.
Section 3. This article shall be effective five years from the date of its ratification, at which time the sixteenth Article of amendment is repealed.
Amendment II – Limits of Commerce Power
The power of Congress to make all laws which are necessary and proper to regulate commerce among the several states, or with foreign nations, shall not be construed to include the power to regulate or prohibit any activity that is confined within a single state regardless of its effects outside the state, whether it employs instrumentalities therefrom, or whether its regulation or prohibition is part of a comprehensive regulatory scheme; but Congress shall have power to regulate harmful emissions between one state and another, and to define and provide for punishment of offenses constituting acts of war or violent insurrection against the United States.
Amendment III – Unfunded Mandates and Conditions on Spending
Congress shall not impose upon a State, or political subdivision thereof, any obligation or duty to make expenditures unless such expenditures shall be fully reimbursed by the United States; nor shall Congress place any condition on the expenditure or receipt of appropriated funds requiring a State, or political subdivision thereof, to enact a law or regulation restricting the liberties of its citizens.
Amendment IV – No Abuse of the Treaty Power
No treaty or other international agreement may enlarge the legislative power of Congress granted by this Constitution, nor govern except by legislation any activity that is confined within the United States.
Amendment V – Freedom of Political Speech and Press
The freedom of speech and press includes any contribution to political campaigns or to candidates for public office; and shall be construed to extend equally to any medium of communication however scarce.
Amendment VI – Power of States to Check Federal Power
Upon the identically worded resolutions of the legislatures of three quarters of the states, any law or regulation of the United States, identified with specificity, is thereby rescinded.
Amendment VII – Term Limits for Congress
No person who has served as a Senator for more than nine years, or as a Representative for more than eleven years, shall be eligible for election or appointment to the Senate or the House of Representatives respectively, excluding any time served prior to the enactment of this Article.
Amendment VIII – Balanced Budget Line Item Veto
Section 1. The budget of the United States shall be deemed unbalanced whenever the total amount of the public debt of the United States at the close of any fiscal year is greater than the total amount of such debt at the close of the preceding fiscal year.
Section 2. Whenever the budget of the United States is unbalanced, the President may, during the next annual session of Congress, separately approve, reduce or disapprove any monetary amounts in any legislation that appropriates or authorizes the appropriation of any money drawn from the Treasury, other than money for the operation of the Congress and judiciary of the United States.
Section 3. Any legislation that the President approves with changes pursuant to the second section of this Article shall become law as modified. The President shall return with objections those portions of the legislation containing reduced or disapproved monetary amounts to the House where such legislation originated, which may then, in the manner prescribed in the seventh section of the first Article of this Constitution, separately reconsider each reduced or disapproved monetary amount.
Section 4. The Congress shall have power to implement this Article by appropriate legislation; and this Article shall take effect on the first day of the next annual session of Congress following its ratification.
Amendment IX – The Rights Retained by the People[edit]
Section 1. All persons are equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and unalienable rights which they retain when forming any government, amongst which are the enjoying, defending and preserving of their life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting real and personal property, making binding contracts of their choosing, and pursuing their happiness and safety.
Section 2. The due process of law shall be construed to provide the opportunity to introduce evidence or otherwise show that a law, regulation or order is an infringement of such rights of any citizen or legal resident of the United States, and the party defending the challenged law, regulation, or order shall have the burden of establishing the basis in law and fact of its conformity with this Constitution.
Amendment X – Neither Foreign Law nor American Judges May Alter the Meaning of Constitution
The words and phrases of this Constitution shall be interpreted according to their meaning at the time of their enactment, which meaning shall remain the same until changed pursuant to Article V; nor shall such meaning be altered by reference to the law of nations or the laws of other nations.
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Here are my amendments:
Amendment 1
"A civilian militia is required for the security of government of, by, and for the people, and for the protection from abuses of said government. Such a civilian militia shall exist in addition to, separate or apart from, and independent of, the United States Armed Forces or any other armed force. All citizens are individually members of the militia. Regardless of the need or necessity of a militia, and separate and apart from membership in any militia, each citizen has an unalienable right to possess and carry all state-of-the-art military weapons and equipment available to the United States Armed Forces or that of any other armed body, foreign or domestic. Neither Congress nor any State or subdivision thereof shall make laws or regulations limiting any individual citizen's unalienable right to possess and carry military weapons and equipment, as described herein above."
OldLady
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I was trying (don't try this at home) to figure out the electoral college with a student of mine who was studying American civ. I was really surprised to learn that; why bother having a census if we don't update the representation? That is what the census was originally for. I don't know what the process is that would change it.
Wyatt earp
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I was trying (don't try this at home) to figure out the electoral college with a student of mine who was studying American civ. I was really surprised to learn that; why bother having a census if we don't update the representation? That is what the census was originally for. I don't know what the process is that would change it.
I know it's werid they can subract but don't increase the total amount of seats. Just get some fold out chairs from the janitors closet.
ptbw forever
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You mean the invaders get a say in our country?
Darkwind
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There is only one aspect of our government in which the people get a direct say. The House of Representatives.
So, you DO get a say on how our government functions. What you do NOT get is a veto on how it is run.
Darkwind
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A census of US Citizens is what determines representation in the House.I was trying (don't try this at home) to figure out the electoral college with a student of mine who was studying American civ. I was really surprised to learn that; why bother having a census if we don't update the representation? That is what the census was originally for. I don't know what the process is that would change it.
EverCurious
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hmm well the mathematical answer goes like this:
Current(ish) population of California 37M - an estimated 3.5M illegals == 33.5M population / 674k == 49.7 Representatives (figure they'd round up) giving them a total of 50 reps in the House (vs their present 53)
Thus, none of the options given heh
** Just an FYI, CA has 19 republican representatives. So if the question is how many /Democratic/ seats would they lose that's a different answer.
Current(ish) population of California 37M - an estimated 3.5M illegals == 33.5M population / 674k == 49.7 Representatives (figure they'd round up) giving them a total of 50 reps in the House (vs their present 53)
Thus, none of the options given heh
** Just an FYI, CA has 19 republican representatives. So if the question is how many /Democratic/ seats would they lose that's a different answer.
frigidweirdo
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Per capita it gets 3 times more.
frigidweirdo
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Wyoming gets 3 votes from 579,000 people. That's one vote for every 193,000 people.
California gets 55 votes from 39,500,000 people. That's one vote for every 718,181 people.
That's 3.72 times more voting power in Wyoming than California.
Bruce_T_Laney
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America has never been a Democracy, so cut the nonsense!
CrusaderFrank
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That's the very reason that we're a Republic
frigidweirdo
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Yes, the US is a Republic to stop the people having a say. I get it, the rich want to control everything. And they do.
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CrusaderFrank
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Try Schoolhouse Rock.
frigidweirdo
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Are you trying to derail this conversation, or is it that you just don't have anything to say?
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