How long do you need to reside in the USA to be truly american?

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
It's all in the mind. There are MANY foreigners I would welcome IMMEDIATELY as American.

Tommy Robinson
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Any attractive blonde from Sweden or South Africa
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
Being American is not just about being here. Its about where your heart and your head are.
I'm an American citizen, but my heart is with Somalia. What does that make me? :eek:
Somalian. Please return
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
The Democrat Party spends more time worrying about those who entered the country ILLEGALLY, than they do about real AMERICAN issues
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I cant believe you still identify as a Democrat. You must be the last one with any sense.
 
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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I cant believe you still identify as a Democrat. You must be the last one with any sense.
Thank you? The Democratic party, hell, the entire political system needs to be overhauled. I am almost on the verge of asking for a systemic change. For starters, the democratic party itself seems on the verge of a breakdown. They have disconnected with American values and have become contrarians to the status quo. And then they become the status quo, Just like I don't know, Hamlet equivocating.
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
You got this impression from what? Over one hundred years ago, people use to immigrate legally. So in my 60 years, I have known Lithuanians, Hungarians and East Germans that had to pay the piper and came here legally. They fled oppression and they actually did so legally and followed immigration laws. I also know plenty of Mexicans that come and go over the border illegally and use their children as bartering chips. Pretending there is difference is beyond cynical. Nobody got to vote for sanctuary cities, it is antithetical to democracy. So, lets reexamine the concept of undocumented immigrants...in its ugly entirety.
 
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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
You got this impression from what? Over one hundred years ago, people use to immigrate legally. So in my 60 years, I have known Lithuanians, Hungarians and East Germans that had to pay the piper and came here legally. They fled oppression and they actually did so legally and followed immigration laws. I also know plenty of Mexicans that come and go over the border and use their children as bartering chips. Pretending there is difference is beyond cynical. Nobody got o vote for sanctuary cities, antithetical to democracy. So, lets reexamine the concept of undocumented immigrants...
I think your main problem is that they are mexicans, not that they are immigrants. Im sure about that, legal or illegal is just a word every illegal can made legal and vice versa by one piece of paper.
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
Sorry, no.

The ONLY thing that makes that remotely sound true is certain people do not share our culture, history, morality or language.

But no. We have rules about entering our country. People who dont respect us enough to follow the rules should NEVER be allowed here. The world 8snt entitled to live in any country they chose
 
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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
Sorry, no.

The ONLY thing that makes that remotely sound true is certain people do not share our culture, history, morality or language.

But no. We have rules about entering our country. People who dont respect us enough to follow the rules should NEVER be allowed here. The world 8snt entitled to live in any country they chose
Thats true. But it is because you dont like their race. You dont want many or more of them. You want more whites. If you are white it makes sense but dont lie about it.
 

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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
Sorry, no.

The ONLY thing that makes that remotely sound true is certain people do not share our culture, history, morality or language.

But no. We have rules about entering our country. People who dont respect us enough to follow the rules should NEVER be allowed here. The world 8snt entitled to live in any country they chose
Thats true. But it is because you dont like their race. You dont want many or more of them. You want more whites. If you are white it makes sense but dont lie about it.
No, it is because the culture they drag with them takes precedence over blending to ours.

Let's flood your damn country with 100 vile cultures that share NOTHING with yours
 
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If you are born there? If all your grandparents are born there? If you moved there as kid? What if you moved there as grown up or adult? I have a Facebook aquaintance who was adopted from a orphanage in eastern europe and she still identifies as immigrant (she is white not gypsy) but Im not sure whether she is joking or not that she is the immigrant. Her adoptive parents are typical white americans.
This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
Sorry, no.

The ONLY thing that makes that remotely sound true is certain people do not share our culture, history, morality or language.

But no. We have rules about entering our country. People who dont respect us enough to follow the rules should NEVER be allowed here. The world 8snt entitled to live in any country they chose
Thats true. But it is because you dont like their race. You dont want many or more of them. You want more whites. If you are white it makes sense but dont lie about it.
No, it is because the culture they drag with them takes precedence over to blending to ours.

Let's flood your damn country with 100 vile cultures that share NOTHING with yours
Their culture is mostly spanish. You wouldnt dislike iberians from europe who speak spanish, you dislike them because they are mestizos/native americans/not white
 

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you dislike them because they are mestizos/native americans/not white
You dont get to tell others what they think.

Any country has the right to decide who comes and who does not. Nobody gives a damn about the opinions of the most hated in Europe. Worry about your pathetic self and not America. You have no say.
 

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Its funny, all the Poles I knew, all the Lithuanians or Hungarians they all managed to learn English. They kept their culture, but they fled oppression. But the Mexicans won't acclimate like the rest did, and last three times I was a jurist, both the plaintiff and the defendant didn't speak a lick of English. Because that's what diversity brings... Nobody understands the laws or language. Viva diversity. I hate Diversity.
 
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Its funny, all the Poles I knew, all the Lithuanians or Hungarians they all managed to learn English. They kept their culture, but they fled oppression. But the Mexicans won't acclimate like the rest did, and last three times I was a jurist, both the plaintiff and the defendant didn't speak a lick of English. Because that's what diversity brings... Nobody understands the laws or language. Viva diversity. I hate Diversity.
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This is a liberal question. I see a huge majority of Mexicans stealing jobs from poor hard working lower class Americans over the last 40 years given to Mexican illegals, sanctuary cities given to Mexican illegals without out OUR consent and harming poor Americans. Show of hands here: Anyone ever remember ever being able to vote to give your city sanctuary to illegal aliens? ANYONE? Shouldn't our representatives.. .represent US? ALL of US Americans? Not just foreign nationals or those that exploit them?
I have the impression it is more about race then being illegal a huge mass migration of new whites from europe even if they are poor and enter illegally would be welcomed by "american patriots" who are actually white nationalists just hide as "american patriots" and they hijack the american identity that only whites are americans. they also say the founding fathers wanted that america is only white and such. Thats why I mentioned that my aquaintance is from a poor eastern european country and that she still pretty much sticks to her eastern european identity and culture. The argument was that if you have attachments to other countries or regions outside the US you arent american like if you are raising the mexican flag but I think you can raise the german or swedish flag and you are american as apple pie. Actually german americans do that. I read from a german american that he visits a bar and it is called "stammtisch" that is even a german word and germans socialise there, it is only for germans. They are not any less american though.
Sorry, no.

The ONLY thing that makes that remotely sound true is certain people do not share our culture, history, morality or language.

But no. We have rules about entering our country. People who dont respect us enough to follow the rules should NEVER be allowed here. The world 8snt entitled to live in any country they chose
Thats true. But it is because you dont like their race. You dont want many or more of them. You want more whites. If you are white it makes sense but dont lie about it.
No, it is because the culture they drag with them takes precedence over to blending to ours.

Let's flood your damn country with 100 vile cultures that share NOTHING with yours
Their culture is mostly spanish. You wouldnt dislike iberians from europe who speak spanish, you dislike them because they are mestizos/native americans/not white
----------------------------------- actually I like the natives , mestizos , natives of South America . The only problem with them is that they are third worlders that want to stay third worlder in the USA . Plus then the voting and Dual Citizenship which is not good for me , my kids or the USA . Many 'dualies' never become Americans so they continue voting and working for their home countries rather than the USA Mort . Its my opinion that ALL imported people no matter race not be allowed to vote for the generation that arrives in the USA Mort .
 

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Its funny, all the Poles I knew, all the Lithuanians or Hungarians they all managed to learn English. They kept their culture, but they fled oppression. But the Mexicans won't acclimate like the rest did, and last three times I was a jurist, both the plaintiff and the defendant didn't speak a lick of English. Because that's what diversity brings... Nobody understands the laws or language. Viva diversity. I hate Diversity.
-------------------------------- they are too close to the USA and even if legal they never put down roots like the others that you mention MaryL .
 

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Its funny, all the Poles I knew, all the Lithuanians or Hungarians they all managed to learn English. They kept their culture, but they fled oppression. But the Mexicans won't acclimate like the rest did, and last three times I was a jurist, both the plaintiff and the defendant didn't speak a lick of English. Because that's what diversity brings... Nobody understands the laws or language. Viva diversity. I hate Diversity.
-------------------------------- they are too close to the USA and even if legal they never put down roots like the others that you mention MaryL .
So I am reading your post. Its rather ambiguous. So let me clarify: Any immigrant is welcome, as long as you come here legally and pay the requisite legal dues and acclimate. So if NOT , YOU/THEY are.. as they say in the common vernacular, deeply analy fucked. I don't care about the plight of Mexican illegals, its just an excuse for them and those that exploit them. And given the fact that there are so many more poor homeless 'mericans, I am not giving a flying shit about wetbacks or anything about them. Why should we?
 
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